Anyone heard of this? Do you know what is going on? Any truth or is this fake?

http://therewillbetruth.com/Obama-Bi...how_temp-2.pdf

In this country, someone can sue anybody anytime. The case does not have to have merit. Really, before you post, a quick check at fact check or snopes would allay your concerns,

Here, I did one for you: FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

It's true, anyone with the filing fees can file a lawsuit and this one has less basis than most.

Actually, if anyone's citizenship might be questionable because of his place of birth, it would be McCain's, but I think that's garbage as well.

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Any idiot can, in this great country of ours, sue for anything they want. The mere fact that a law suit is filed means absolutely ZILCH! If this had any merit at all it would have been heard of long long long ago.

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I've found this:

America's Right: Obama Sued in Philadelphia Federal Court on Grounds he is Constitutionally Ineligible for the Presidency

I haven't had a chance to read through it all yet, but apparently this Berg brings up something about Obama's adoption in Indonesia. I really can't say if it is a bunch of hooey or not. In the end. . .I'm not sure if it has any real bearing in the race.

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Why you, or anyone else, would waste their time reading this tripe is beyond me. Ask yourself how Obama's mother could give birth to him in the United States and him not be a citizen. He would have to renounce his citizenship after he reached the age of majority in order for him to no longer qualify.

And, don't you think that Secret Service might have noticed? They do vet all candidates whom they're protecting.

It is interesting. If Obama WAS born in Kenya due to his mother's inability to fly back to Hawaii, then he wasn't born a U.S. citizen.

Wonder why this hasn't made the news?

I haven't read any of it yet.

"Ask yourself how Obama's mother could give birth to him in the United States and him not be a citizen. "

That's exactly what I'm asking myself. I want to see what makes this guy think why Obama's adoption in Indonesia affects his citenzenship.

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Because the article states that Obama's mother couldn't get back to Hawaii and actually gave birth to him in Kenya and his mother didn't complete the birth papers until they came back to Hawaii. If that was the case, then he is not a natural born citizen of the U.S. He is a natural born citizen of Kenya.

I'd like to see some more research done on it, though, and see what comes up.

OMG. Where, oh where, do you people come up with this crap? Of course you would like more research done ... keeps small minds busy thinking about nonissues.

BTW -- do you know where Mr. McCain was born?


Mr. Obama is a muslim, he is the anti-christ, he doesn't wear a freakin' little pin, he hates the US --- anything else?

Don't forget that his wife is an angry black woman.

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It should be OBVIOUS to anyone even contemplating reading this that it is a ridiculous lawsuit and if there were ANY merit whatsoever it would have come out over 1-1/2 years ago when Mr. Obama declared himself a candidate. People are becoming afraid that Obama just very well might be the next President, are running scared and grasping at straws. Of course it is NOT true. But, keep on hoping it is...will make his win even more of a joy.

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Hmmm. Why this hasn't made the news....... Gee, could it be that it's bunk?

It was in the news ..very little except a blurb on "major media in US"..common nowdays.

Some places in the US media did report on it like:
Washington Times - Lawsuit questions Obama's eligibility for office

Here is the link to the person that filed the lawsuit. You can read all the legal attachment stuff at the bottom of the page.
Philip J. Berg, Esq. Files Federal Lawsuit Requesting Obama Be Removed as a Candidate as he does not meet the Qualifications for President

ETA: MSM Ignores Democrat Lawsuit Against Obama | NewsBusters.org

They're ignoring it because there's nothing there. The Washingtom Times is owned by the Moonies and they are staunchly Republican. Phillip J. Berg is a Hillary supporter and is the same man who spread rumors that Obama is a Muslim.

So, yes, the MSM is ignoring the lawsuit and with good reason.

What is so amazing, is that this is still being discussed. Check this out on Snopes.

"The Fourteenth Ammendment states "all persons born or naturalized in the Untied States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are cizitens of the Untied States". Since Haiwaii is part of the Untied States, even if Barack Obama's parents were both non-U.S. citizens, who hadn't even set foot in the country until just before he wa born, he sitll qualify as a natural born citizen.


snopes.com: Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

Also a lawsuit had been filed agaisnt McCain too, for the same thing.

snopes.com: Is John McCain a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

Well, you may wonder why it is still being discussed.. but let me explain something to you.

I had JUST saw this on another message board and came here to ask this question after reading the documents in the lawsuit.

There are MANY people who are just now hearing about this, and WILL question that he is not a citizen unless people like YOU, who support him or have the knowledge, are willing to share the truth and NOT just dismiss it because you know it is not true.

This could cost him many votes if it is NOT discussed and backed with proof that he is a US Citizen.

I may be voting for Mc Cain, but I try to be very fair in dealing with both sides.

What is sad is that so many people are willing to believe untruths without checking them out about Obama and will not even question something about Palin that should be questioned.


Since you are on another board where you saw this and you sound fair, maybe you could point people to the snopes.com site where lots of things that have been spread by e mail have been debunked and found to be untrue. There they can find out which things about both candidates and the VP that are true and which are things are not.

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Oh yes, like the Obama ad making fun of John McCains inability to use the computer. BECAUSE OF HIS WAR INJURIES which is not what the ad was made to look like. If you are fair then I hope that upset you.

Uh, Oh do Devinmom and MTT know you are challenging me to post to you?

The difference here, Kathy is it is the truth that John McCain CANT raise his arms to use the computer. The fact that OhhGodd was asking about was whether Obama was born a US citizen. He was so what she heard was a lie. And that is what I was saying. You have to read the entire thing before you comment.

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My bad. I actually thought of that when I pushed the submit button. I said to myself "oh dang, that was usnamom and I wasn't going to answer any of her posts". Oh darn. Then I thought "maybe I should get my son to delete my post" but knowing usnamom she would have seen the post and then WWIII would start up on here!!
So, my fault for posting. Please ignore it! Thanks!

You know me so well. You son could still delete the post or you could. If you want.

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So it's ok for McCain to mock Obama (the celebrity ad comes to mind) but when it's Obama mocking McCain about not using a computer or email in this day and age... it's twisted into being something damn right un-American. BTW, any disabled person with the means can certainly learn how to use a computer and send email without using a keyboard… we have the technology.

Obama mocks McCain as computer illiterate in ad - Yahoo! News

Well Obamamania is a bit over the top in the glam department! I see Obamas ad against McCain as trying to make him look stupid, which he is not. And maybe he DOES have some kind of way to use a computer but not the way we all can. It was the point of the ad-to make him look stupid. To me, it's below the belt to mock someones physical problems like that.

And McCain's ad was trying to make Obama look stupid. Touché. IMHO, McCain started the below the belt attack ads months ago. What did he except the response would be? Rolling over and playing dead?

I didn't see it as making Obama look stupid. Just that he rose too quickly and isn't qualified. Which IMHO is the truth. Whereas Obama was directly making fun of McCains disablilities.

He was directly making fun of his inability not his disability there is a big difference.

usnamom,
I want to, but the snopes link does not discuss the issue of him being born in Kenya, not Hawaii, which is what the documents filed state.

I will keep searching other links.and if I find one that addresses it, I will surely post it on the other website.

Thanks..

I do not see any evidence that McCain is very bright. There is his academic record to go by which is rather dismal.

Although McCain has permanent injuries from his time as a POW, he can most certainly use a cell phone. He has the ability to use a computer.

Didn't know you were privy to his medical records and what he can and can't do. I know he can't raise his arms very high, that's well documented. But to state that he can use a computer-man you sure do know a lot!
His academic record? Man that's reaching back isn't it? I thought I read that he didn't apply himself-like a lot of young people at that age. Judge not lest ye be judged!
You know his physical and intellectual limitations? WOW!!!

McCain has no trouble whatsoever using a cell phone. Your must use your computer very differently than I use mine. Not once have I ever had to raise my arms when using mine.

Scroll down and you can see nice pictures of McCain using a cell.
Yes, McCain Can Use Electronics

What evidence do you have of McCain's mental prowess? Was it not knowing the borders of Iraq? His thinking that Spain is in South America? Confusing Sunni and Shia? Telling us that the fundamentals of the economy are strong? His choice of Palin? His plan for healthcare where all Americans are put into the open market and can no longer get insurance through their employer? I know. Was it when he said, "We are all Georgians." ?

Here all along I thought that it was speaking to McCain not being able to use the computer because of his age. You know, like we don't let my mother near my computer because not only does she say she dont know how to use it but we are afraid of what she will do when she is at it. I didnt really give it much thought to McCain's disablility until I read it here the other day that it was because he couldn't raise his arms???? I don't raise my arms much to use the computer but then again I don't know alll the ways to use a computer.

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I do not now why "some" people are coming down hard on you. You ask a legitimate question in the start of this post.

Whether some people like it or not...it is true there is a lawsuit (Philip J. Berg, Esq vs Obama). The court has not dismissed the case yet.

The answer to the "legitimate question" has been given over and over. Any fool with a pen and paper and $200.00 can file suit in the federal courts. Filing a suit isn't proof of anything.

The lawsuit has not been dismissed, in all probability, because it wasn't served on Obama until 9/4/08. Courts don't dismiss lawsuits until someone makes a motion to do so. No one would make a motion until they're served and answer the suit. Once served, Obama has 30 days to answer.

With all due respect to the original poster, this is all a bunch of right wing obfuscation.

The only candidate running for president that was NOT born in the US was John McCain. You'll notice, however, that none of the liberals on this born are throwing up lies and BS about his citizenship, even though his status as "natural born citizen" is far more in debate than Obama's.

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I believe the court has already made a decision on McCain natural born citizen. Yes, there was a lawsuit about McCain's being a natural born citizen.

Lawyers on McCain birth question - John McCain News - MSNBC.com

"A federal judge has ruled the law at the time of McCain's birth automatically granted citizenship to offspring of U.S. citizens. The lawsuit seeking to remove McCain from the California ballot was thrown out."

In regards to OP's original post...I'm sure if Obama was not elegible to be president, the GOP would have done something a long time ago. With the lawyers they have on staff I'm sure his nationality was checked and re-checked. I don't think it's an issue. But it is interesting.

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Yes, a district court judge, the lowest level of the federal court system. If the Democratic party was inclined to stoop to the level of Berg and his ilk, there are two more levels to go before the answer would be definitive.

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First off, you state that you have already decided to vote for McCain. What would your point be in posing this question here? Could it be that your motives might be to cast doubt on McCain's opponent?

You were given three sites to check out rumors in a previous post. You did not use them before posting.

The Obama File

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That is disgusting and vile and nasty. And you should be ashamed for posting it.



Fight the Smears | The truth about Barack's birth certificate

Thanks. I clicked on the religion section. So Obama does have Muslim roots with a paternal passing down of the faith. My sons dad was Jewish, I'm Catholic, and we always debate if he's part Jewish. I tell him 'no' because only his father is Jewish and the mother is the one that needs to be Jewish to pass the faith. I hope I explained that well enough!

Obama is a Muslim terrorist supporter of Osama Bin Laden!!

No, really, that's a fact!

Wow! Now that's something every American must know! Now that I know the truth I think I'll spread it all over the internet and email my friends...maybe even start a website.

Obama's father was born into a Muslim family. By the time he had Obama, he had become an atheist. So, no, there are no Muslim roots.

I think that Jewish in this case would be considered a race which is passed down through the mother. Being Jewish can be more than a religion. Jews are also a race of people. I may be wrong and I am sure there will be people who will jump to correct me but I think that if you convert to the Jewish faith, it is believed that you actually become of the Jewish race.

BECAUSE (I am questioning your comprehension skills), as stated before, I do not want to just believe spin.

Nothing you have posted for me has dealt with the Kenyan birth issue..so what is your point?


So unless you can give me some proof that debunks the Kenyan birth theory, how can I do anything on this other website to show that this is not true???
You can't even show me it isn't true and you are a Dem.

Unless, did I miss something?

NO I did not post this to be malicious, I had a genuine question to ask those that are supposedly "in the know" if they knew what was going on. I was trying to be fair.

Others have been helpful, but you have not helped me find what I am looking for and yet are the first person to post saying I am not searching out my answers. I have also not found anything to debunck this on my internet searches that "I do not do". The website, that you directed me to, only dealt with the birth certificate, nothing was stated about the supposed "Kenyan birth"


LIke I said, maybe I missed something. I went through every link that was posted and also did my own searches. I honestly am tired of wasting time on this issue. Time will tell, and I believe, as Truble stated, the lawsuit will be dismissed. But, in the meantime, how much damage could be done to Obama and how many votes could he possibly lose over this issue? Already, on this website, they are trashing him because of this. I have no right to jump in and try to defend because I do not know the answer, and do not know if it is true or not.

If you truly support Obama, instead of accusing me of not doing internet searches, why don't you just get out there and show with respect and dignity what the truth really is, instead of dancing around the issues and lacing your diatribes with contempt and criticism? How will you ever get anyone to listen to you?


oh well.

Obama was not born in Kenya. Had he been born in Kenya, he would not have had a birth certificate issued from the state of Hawaii. The whole issue is ludicrous and a pure fabrication.

Since you have stated that you are voting for McCain, isn't it pointless for you to ask questions about his opponent since the answers don't matter?

Your motivation for posting this, and other, garbage remains suspect. Your feigned innocence isn't working with me.

Where is your proof that he was not born in Kenya?

Should I believe just because you say it isn't so?

There are other people here who are more reputable than you are, and whom I would chose to believe well over your "spin".

So, no proof, again.

What is your response to the allegations that he was a citizen of Indonesia? I have read that his passport shows he was a citizen of Indoniesia. Isn't it true that a candidate for the Presidency could have never held citizenship in another Country, to be eligible?

Why is his birth registered in Kenya (as I have read)? Do you have any proof that it is not?

If all you want to spout off about is the garbage you think I post, then you have no leg to stand on in this debate. Please save room for those who will respectfully help to answer this question that I had in my OP. Suspect or not, at least I am asking questions and searching for facts from those that I feel might be able to debunck these rumors.

I would agree that this post was not made to find answers, but to stir up the pot. It should be obvious to anyone that it this had any merit whatsoever, this would have come out long, long ago, would have come up in primaries, and definitely the GOP would be pouncing on this. What suits like this do is just place known false facts out there so that those who do not do research when they see the bull (though I do believe you have/are done research ohhgodd) is leave it at that and say, "see, I told you so" just to put another nail in the coffin they have already built

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His birth is not registered in Kenya. He has a valid Hawaiin birth certificate. McCain was born in Panama. He can therefore claim Panamanian citizenship along with US citizenship. Obama can only claim US citizenship.

Obama did have an Indonesian stepfather and did live there. He did not have to give up his US citizenship to live in Indonesia.

For instance, I lived in Germany as a child for a couple of years on an RAF base. I was never not a citizen.

Now, why don;t you try and prove to me that McCain is a US citizen? Can't do it, can you?

What problem is it you have with Obama's birth certificate?

The proof is in the link provided upthread. Factcheck.org went to Hawaii to look at the birth certificate. They were able to validate it, enough to proclaim:
Beside that, I'm not sure a hospital can say someone was born in their facility if the child is not.
I'm also not sure that a state would certify a child was born where they were not, nor would they give certificates out like party favors.

I've never heard that his passport shows he is a citizen of Indonesia. Can you please provide the link where you read this?
I don't understand. Just because you read that his birth is registered in Kenya, you believe it. Yet the link provided says he was born in the US. Despite that reading that, you still decide to believe that his birth was registered in Kenya. Why is that?
How about you prove his birth is registered in Kenya?
Honestly, ohgodd, I think at this point you would rather believe what you want and no proof will suffice for you.
Someone mentioned that if he were not born here, the GOP would have bought that to light a long time ago. They have not because the claims have no merit.

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Barrack Obama birth certifacite from the site that Kmvj posted. I see the problem here, not one of you who post something about Barrack Obama that is false, can be proven wrong. Even if the what you have written is false.

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack’s Birth Certificate

Kathy, you keep asking people to prove a negative. If Obama was really born in Kenya or renounced his citizenship, you (or Berg) ought to be able to prove it easily. Where's that documentation?

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Remember when "the truth" posted here? Actually responded with a, "I was just trying to enlighten you." post. At least he went away.

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