I just finished watching President Clinton on The View. And he made a statement (don't remember what it was about), but the statement was ....... something, something..... whether you're a conservative Republican or a liberal Democrat. And it just got me to thinking -- is there such a thing as a Conservative Democrat or a Liberal Republican?

Define conservative? My definition has nothing to do with anyone's God.

I am fiscally conservative and socially progressive. I lean more towards the social progressive part, so I suppose I identify more with the Democrat platform. I would qualify for the conservative Democrate and my husband would be a liberal Republican prior to September. We generally share the same values and beliefs. Before 2000, I would say I was also liberal Republican. He now tells me he is leaning Democrat, so I guess he would now be considered conservative Democrat.

I was just repeating what President Clinton said this morning when he lumped all Democrats as liberal and all Republicans as conservative. I don't think being conservative would have anything to do with anyone's God, as you said. So I really can't define conservative just as I can't define liberal because I guess it means something different to everyone.

Thanks for your answer.

I think I am more conservative Democrat than I am a liberal Democrat or perhaps I am a liberal Conservative.

I was president of the Young Republicans Organization while in college and over the years I have matured a bit and don't see things quite as black and white as I used to.

I dont know what the definitions are of either which is why I bristle when I hear something categorized as You Libs or you Cons or I would expect such and such out of you because you are a Lib or a Democrat. KWIM?

Good question.

Yes, and most of them are being labled Independents.

Liberal have been turned into a dirty word, and Conservative has somehow become a "Christian" affiliation. There are people on both sides that have issues that cross party lines. Because of my income, I am fiscally charged on some issues and because of my gender and upbringing, I lean more the other way. I think we all kind of waver a little.

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I don't believe that statement means that ALL republican are conservative nor that ALL Democrats are liberal. There is a wide spectrum in both parties, just as there are representatives of each party that don't seem to represent the whole spectrum of their party. McCain was considered too liberal for republicans not that long ago. Lieberman is considered too conservative for Democrats. And, just as there are different ends of the spectrum in leadership, so are there different members of each party. Personally I have declined to state a party from the first election I voted in at 18. So, that puts me in .... where exactly?.....

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Have the courage to be yourself.

I kind of think that there are no liberal or moderate Republicans left in Washington. They have all been labeled RINOs and run off. The party is left in the hands of the extreme right wing.

I kind of think that there are no moderate or conservative Democrats left in Washington. They have all been labeled DINO's and run off. The party is left in the hands of the extreme left wing!

Can't think of anything original so you plagerize and insert just a couple of strategic words...sad to be a sheep.....

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Have the courage to be yourself.

There is no basis in fact in your statement. And, I agree. You are very unoriginal.

Oh wait ...let me guess. KTS is going to say "Wah, wah, you pick on me." Then, some poor McCain supporter will yet again feel compelled to come to her rescue and will post something that is on point and does actually make sense, and then KTS will say "You're my hero!"

Can we dispense with bandwidth and just agree those will be the next 3 or 4 posts and move on to something related to the original post?

Plagerize? On a chat board?
You're funny!

Big surprize...not another new, original or contributory thing to say.

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Actually, I think the Republicans are more like the Democrats were when I was a child and the Democrats have just gone way left.

Sweety -- now you're talking to (arguing with) yourself. Have you taken your meds today?

I swear I have been trying not to post but I just have to LOLOLOLOL!

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Prasie Jesus--no one has felt it necessary to quote her--so I have no idea what kathy has been blathering about! But, if you say it's funny....it must be!! LOL

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Bush has been the President for almost 8 years, it's former President Clinton.

dl

Presidents, senators, congressmen, judges, governors, ambassadors, secretaries (political secretaries - not office assistants) and others area all formally addressed by their former title after they leave office. It is not required legally, but it is expected socially.

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Don't be such a hater...once you have served in office, as Hambirg pointed out, it is a show of respect to retain your title for life. Even Bush the first is still called President Bush. Shame on you for correcting someone incorrectly....just pure hater attitude

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Ok...let the games begin....

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I'm the kind of woman when my feet hit the floor in each morning, the devil says "Oh crap, she's up."

Shame on you for your attitude. Where did I show hate? I did not. I was taught this in high school civics. Nor did I take the title away, I simply showed that it is proper to add former to the title.

dl

Wait, just because someone finds Kathy's posts not attacking, and yet she gets attacked continuously, and if someone comes to her defense....it is all because they are a McCain supporter?

So what you are telling me is that our sense of civility (or lack thereof) is based solely around our involvement in a politcal party? Sounds silly, don't you think?

Since my civics teacher is dead and I didn't keep the textbook, to satisfy those who constantly cry cite a source, from Wikipedia, part of the "Former Presidents Act" follows:

The Former Presidents Act (known also as FPA) (3 U.S.C. § 102) is a federal law passed by the United States Congress in 1958. The act provided several lifetime benefits to the living former Presidents of the United States.

Title
There has been much debate in the past as to the proper title for former presidents. When introducing or addressing, the proper term or title is "The Honorable" or simply "Mr.". When describing a Former President, one may use the term The Former President, but not President as this is reserved for the sitting President. This convention is often ignored in the US media who will address both Former Presidents Bush and Clinton as President Bush and President Clinton.


Imo, the most telling part is the last sentence in regard to how the media can twist things and make us believe they are correct.

dl

Yup, Yup, Yup

WOW! Thanks for posting all of this for us.

Learn something new every day.

You are very welcome, however it was easily learned in high school, which admittedly, was before the internet !

dl

Thanks for the info. I always thought it was "former" too.

My goodness, I had no idea what a controversy my little thread was going to cause just by saying "President Clinton" instead of "Former President Clinton"!! Heck, and I'm a Republican, too!

Must be a full moon or something when 'your own' turn on ya! LOL!!

Just goes to show that nobody is immune! *insert evil laugh here*

Funny stuff

I don't know how I missed this post before today but I must thank everyone for the laugh. I needed it today. (Almost peed my pants)

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Don't be such a hater...once you have served in office, as Hambirg pointed out, it is a show of respect to retain your title for life. Even Bush the first is still called President Bush. Shame on you for correcting someone incorrectly....just pure hater attitude

Shame on you for your attitude. Where did I show hate? I did not. I was taught this in high school civics. Nor did I take the title away, I simply showed that it is proper to add former to the title.



No answer yet, and I even cited a reference later. Perhaps an apology is in order since I didn't show hate and was correct., unlike you.

dl

Out of curiousity, didn't anyone else see the humor in the fact that OP corrected a poster for not calling President Clinton fomer President while neglecting to use the title at all for the current President.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Just like your post..well, and mine now too

Get used to it.

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Sad but true!

I was not the "OP", and I didn't correct "a poster", you have that turned around. Maybe you are seeing humor in that with your curiosity?

I did use the title for the current President, If it makes you happy to see redundancy, then here it is:
President Bush is the current President.

dl

I was taught it's quite rude to call anyone by their last name. Thinking that would especially apply to someone who was attempting to educate us on the niceties of how to address a President. BTW, I'll bet President Bush would be hurt to know you thought the use of his title in a sentence was redundant -- "Bush has been the President for almost 8 years, it's former President Clinton."

And yes, I did find it amusing but I'm easily entertained.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

see, I have no problem w/ using a persons last name, and have never heard that it was rude--of course, I have been around a lot of law enforcement and US Military. It's common practice to refer to address someone w/ their last name. I rarely referred to the Sgt. and Lts. that supervised the dispatcher center as "Sgt. Smith" or "Lt. Brown". It was always "Smith, I got a call for you", "Brown, you want to take the missing vehicle call?" So, I think it really depends on your frame of reference as to whether calling someone by their last name is rude....

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ITA that it depends on your frame of reference. I have always worked in an office situation with doctors, nurses, pharmacists, etc., and wouldn't dream of calling any of those individuals by their last name. I have referred to individuals by their last name on occasion on this board but always feel "off" when I do. One of my rare letters to a TV station was about a newscaster who repeatedly referred to President Clinton as Clinton. P'd me off big time but I've noticed it has become a quite frequent occurrence and I've tried to "get over it". Maybe need to lighten up and stop channeling my grandmother who taught us our manners.

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

An honest question here: You've implied several times to the general audience of these boards that Kathytheshopper is on your "ignore" list.

If she is, then why aren't you "ignoring?"

Don't you think it's more than ridiculous that you can't resist commenting on the comments regarding a post that you admitedly haven't even read?

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FWIW, My understanding of the etiquette involved in retaining the title of President is pretty cut and dry.

If you are speaking with the former president face-to-face, then addressing him as "President Clinton" is most appropriate.

If you are referring to the former president in the third person, such as a reporter would do, to avoid confusion and to be accurate, the title "Former President Clinton" would be most appropriate.

I was a state legislative intern in college, and this came up regarding how to address our former governor.

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I have seen you use only a person's last name.

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...ml#post3042125
Apparently a gentleman by the name of Larry C. Johnson, an ex-CIA agent and Clinton supporter. Here's info from his wiki site:

Thank you for taking the time to point out that I don't always follow my own advice which is why, in my answer to Marilyn I said, "I have referred to individuals by their last name on occasion on this board but always feel "off" when I do."

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Thank you for bringing that up. I was wondering the same thing but didn't want to post anything about that!

Ah, haven't been on here in a bit, took a nice "breather" from it all, and came back to glance. I know you are not addressing this with me, but, I wanted to post my experience here on the board, which is similar to what MarilynK has posted.

When you have a poster on "ignore" you can not see what they have posted......UNLESS, someone that is not on your ignore list quotes them. Thereby "displaying" within their post, what the poster you have on ignore has said. Kind of defeats the purpose of the ignore feature. Also, if you come to look without logging in, you can see everything, as well. These are the issues I have had/am having with the ignore feature. EX: I have quoted one of your posts. If someone has you on ignore (can't imagine that, but, for example sake, we'll go with it) and me not on ignore, they can now see what you have said, because they are reading MY post, which has a quote from you in it.

To sum it all up, even if you have someone on ignore, you can still their posts,either on purpose or by accident, if you want to call it that.

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Maybe, I'm just not tracking well this early in the morning --haven't even finished that first cup of coffee! Butt I'm not understanding what your asking....

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It seems like you made a point of putting a poster on your ignore list. I understand how it works, and I also understand that you end up being *forced* to read bits and pieces of comments if someone quotes the person that you're ignoring.

But I can't figure out why you would bother to criticize your *ignoree's* post based on the only morsel you read about it - another poster's reaction to your ignoree's post. It just baffled me.

It reminds me of a strange acquaintance of mine who is constantly on a diet - she misses eating her desserts so much, so she asks others who do indulge to *breathe* on her so that she can get the fumes... Eeeeewwww!

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Well, we wouldn't want you to be baffled...

I found nightowlrn's post funny (and usnamom's as well) particualarly because it's amazing how many times KTS posts sequentially. I have seen her post repeatedly one right after another. So, often times it does appear that KTS is talking to herself or arguing w/ herself. As I said, I have no idea what her topic of discussion was, but I did find nightowl's observation as funny. Thank you, have a nice day!

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

I post repeatedly if I read someones post and want to reply to that particular post. And why can't Marilynk explain herself without making more comments about me? Oh, I know, it's because she must love me so much she can't get her mind off me!! lol

Closed thread...Post limit reached. Please feel free to open a new thread on this topic.

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