I doubt the main stream media will investigate but we could always hope.

The Jawa Report: Hope, Change, & Lies: Orchestrated "Grassroots" Smear Campaigns & the People that Run Them [Updated]
National Defense Examiner: Smear videos against Palin linked to Obama campaign

astroturfing definition |Dictionary.com

Again no evidence to suggest that, and that is actaully quoted in both articles.

A quote from the national Defense Examiner article.

"No direct evidence of such a link has been established but to do so would be very difficult for any outside investigation."

A quote from the Jawa Report: " while not conclusive,
evidence suggests a link to the Barrack Obama campaign.

Probably the reason why the mainstream media wont investigate this is because they don't want to look like idiots when they do.

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Much better to actually approve of lies and distortions YouTube - John McCain's ads are LIES. Here's the video proof.

Once again, put out LIES and SLANDER and make the candidates prove that they are not true. Those who are looking for crap to post about their candidate's opponents post this, not knowing or caring whether it is true--just trying to further disseminate falsehoods hoping enough gullible people will accept it just because they want it to be true. Even the original article states there is no proof....but, the lies get perpetuated anyway. Typical tactic.....

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Yes, it is actually better. . .so when they can be put in context and debunked at least people can put blame on where it is due. Astroturfing is a way to put whatever out there and then look blameless.

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I understand the concepts. Thanks. If there was any proof Obama was associated with the subject matter, your reply would make much more sense though.

Yes, that's the beauty of astroturfing. . .very difficult to be proven or disproven.

It's the fact that the "Public Relations firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters."

The Jawa Report: Hope, Change, & Lies: Orchestrated "Grassroots" Smear Campaigns & the People that Run Them [Updated]

And that Axelrod is known for astroturfing and is Obama's chief media strategist that makes it all suspect.

David Axelrod is an American political consultant based in Chicago, Illinois. He is best known as a top adviser to Barack Obama, first in Obama's 2004 campaign for the U.S. Senate in Illinois and currently as chief strategist for Obama's 2008 presidential campaign.

Axelrod is the senior partner of AKP&D Message and Media and was a political writer for the Chicago Tribune. He operates ASK Public Strategies, a company that allegedly engages in "astroturfing" [12]. He is also a supporter of Cook County Commissioner Forrest Claypool, who helped Axelrod found his firm (under the name Axelrod and Associates). . . . . .


Axelrod operates a second business from the same office, ASK Public Strategies, that discreetly plots strategy and advertising campaigns for corporate clients to tilt public opinion their way.[20] He and his partners are secretive about operations and won't reveal the client roster or revenue. [21] Customers and public records confirm agency has run campaigns for the Chicago Children's Museum, ComEd, Cablevision, and AT&T.[22] The firm helped set up front organizations that were listed as sponsors of public-issue ads, a practice that industry insiders call such practices "Astroturfing" (manufacturing grassroots support).

David Axelrod (political consultant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

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I had seen the tape of Sarah Palin addressing the Alaska Independence Party. The words at the beginning were the words of the party's founder. Todd Palin was a member of that party.

So, the "smear" is that the ad claimed that Sarah was a member? That has been debunked. The rest of the ad is true.

If a week went by when someone here didn't post some racist Obama website, I might actually care ....

As I said before....running scared and putting out desperate lies....

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Smear videos against Palin linked to Obama campaign

I think you're absolutely right but it hasn't been proven that Obama is behind it.

Well, Bill Clinton said she's hot, so I think things can only go up from here. I mean, once you've got an endorsement like that, nothing can stop you.

Some of ya'll are going to fall very, very, very hard if McCain wins, I'm afraid.

ETA: The thing I've appreciated about Palin and the slogan she seems to use most is that she wants to put government back on the side of the people. That's very different than saying that government is going to *do* things *for* the masses. We don't need a sugar daddy.

Within a hour of Dr. Rusty Shackleford at The Jawa Report posting this info on his site.....


"UPDATE: Within 1 hour of posting, "eswinner" has removed all videos from YouTube and began removing any traces of his activities. But we have the video and all relevant websites backed up.

If "eswinner" isn't Ethan Winner of the Publicis Groupe, then why did "eswinner" yank the video so quickly? Or if this was just an innocent homemade ad, then what does he have to hide? You'd think he'd want more attention for it."

More then a coincidence IMO but of course the MSM would rather inverstigate if Sarah Palin ate a grape while waiting in line at the grocery.

Not me. After watching the 2004 results and not being at all surprised at the mayhem that has followed, nothing can bother me now. It is not surprising the same people will be voting for McCain. God, Guns and Gays --- Get the masses to be fearful and to hate someone, anyone, as long as it isn't the one's actually using them. Rove is a genius!

Financially, I benefit from the policy of the current administration and I see nothing to indicate a McCain administration will be anything different. IMO - we are headed for a depression and WWIII and I will know in my heart I did everything I personally could to avoid it. Once McCain blatantly pimped God to buy a win, I knew they were in it for blood. So, I won't be surprised at a McCain win. I will make money. My life really won't change too much.

And, if things go the way of the Theocon, we already have an exit plan

What I do find personally tragic is how much I underestimated the depth of racism in our country.

Obama and McCain share the same views on same sex marriage and voted the same way.

Barack Obama on Gay Marriage:
Barack Obama opposes same-sex marriage, but also opposes a constitutional ban on gay marriage. According to Obama's campaign fact sheet on LGBT issues, he supports full civil unions that give same-sex couples equal legal rights and privileges as married couples, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency as well as equal health insurance, employment benefits, and property and adoption rights. Barack Obama voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, which failed by a vote of 49-48.“I was reminded that it is my obligation not only as an elected official in a pluralistic society, but also as a Christian, to remain open to the possibility that my unwillingness to support gay marriage is misguided,” Obama wrote in his recent memoir, The Audacity of Hope.

However, in a statement about his vote against a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage, Obama states: "I personally believe that marriage is between a man and a woman." Nonetheless, Obama believes we need to fully repeal the Defense of Marriage Act.

Barack Obama on Gay and Lesbian Issues - Where Does Barack Obama Stand on Gay Rights?

McCain feels the issue should be left up to the states:

John McCain on Gay Marriage:
McCain does not support same-sex marriage, but believes the issue should be left up to the states. John McCain voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment, but according to John McCain's campaign website, "[He] believes the institution of marriage is a union between one man and one woman. It is only this definition that sufficiently recognizes the vital and unique role played by mothers and fathers in the raising of children, and the role of the family in shaping, stabilizing, and strengthening communities and our nation."

John McCain on Gay and Lesbian Issues - Where Does John McCain Stand on Gay Rights?

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Yeah, you weren't really who I had in mind when I said that.

I think anyone looking at America from a non-biased perspective would have to agree that the pendulum always swings. This year, if history is any good at predicting, should be an easy win for the Democrats. History being history, though, isn't entirely predictable when issues like war and true economic meltdown are on the horizon.

There are several who state with unwavering certainty that Obama is going to win, time and time again. As much as I support my candidate, that's a bigger statement than I'm willing to make. Egg on the face is never an attractive fashion accessory.

I do not think for a moment that McCain will win. But if by some stroke of luck he does, Nobody could fall farther than we have the last 8 years under Bush the 2nd.

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Just for clarification, are you referring to Clinton's statement that he understands why she's popular or "hot" in Arkansas?

What he said was this:

Campaign Notebook: Bill Clinton says he understands Palin's appeal | Politics | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

When I read the statement, he is clearly using the word "hot" as discussing her popularity, her appeal. I didn't see it as referring to her looks.

Is there another comment that I don't know about?