Obama's baby..and what I fully expect to see more of if he is elected.

Senate Bill 2433, the Global Poverty Act of 2007.
Senate Bill 2433, the Global Poverty Act of 2007, would “require the President to develop and implement a comprehensive strategy to further the United States foreign policy objective of promoting the reduction of global poverty, the elimination of extreme global poverty, and the achievement of the Millennium Development Goal of reducing by one-half the proportion of people worldwide, between 1990 and 2015, who live on less than $1 per day.”

A hugely expensive bill called the ‘Global Poverty Act,’ sponsored by … Obama, was quickly passed by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. …

Senator Joe Biden, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, was trying to rush Obama’s ‘Global Poverty Act’ (S. 2433) through his committee without hearings.

The legislation would commit the US to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the US already spends,” on foreign aid. $845B to corrupt governments who will use the money to sustain their corrupt elite and to buy weaponry, plot against us, and ensure that the poor and hungry stay that way while blaming the U.S government and citizens for their troubles.

“It was scheduled for a Thursday vote but was moved up a day, to Wednesday, and rushed through by voice vote. However, that conservative Senators have now put a ‘hold’ on the legislation, in order to prevent it from being rushed to the floor for a full Senate vote.”

Now, the House passed this bill in September. It’s now getting rushed through the committee in the Senate, the Biden committee, to soak the US taxpayers again to fund global, liberal, feel-good garbage.

Senator Obama wrote the bill. This is just the tip of the iceberg, should he win?

This is the kind of stuff he wants to do:
Blame the United States for the problems of the world
meet with all the thugs and the bad guys, and say, “What’s wrong with us? What can we fix to make you like us?” while he’s out there talking about these platitudinous, vapid change speeches where he says nothing.

By the way, I find it very interesting that Senator Biden was trying to rush this through the committee without hearings and to get this thing to the floor. Would this not have been a great thing for Obama to be able to talk about on the presidential campaign trail?

When people say he hadn’t done anything and he’s got no record, he could say,
“Well, I have! I have a Global Poverty Act! We’re going to cure poverty around the world.”
“Oh, he’s so wonderful!
Obama is going to end poverty.”
And, of course, who knows what Mrs. Clinton’s reaction would have been.

The point is, there is substance to Obama, and it isn’t good.

The Obama Bill - S. 2433 | The Rick Honcho & Dr. Katie Show

Boy, you all are sure getting anxious. I am tired and I am done for the night. So, I will just copy and paste information to help calm you down. BTW, you can find the Bill bill and read it yourself at Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

Additionally, don't get so worked up - "Based on information from the State Department, CBO estimates that implementing S. 2433 would cost less than $1 million per year, assuming the availability of appropriated funds. Enacting the bill would not affect direct spending or receipts. " Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress))

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Do you think Senate Bill 2433, The Global Poverty Act of 2007, sponsored by Barack Obama is a good bill for the American Taxpayer?

No bill in the Senate or the House mentions any Tax increase of 845 billion. This bill is only a extension of the bill passed in 1990 (under President Bush Sr) and extended again in 2005 under the present administration. The bill S.2433 is regarding the agreement reached at the summit of the Group of Eight (G-8) nations in July 2005, leaders (note this includes President Bush), from all eight participating countries committed to increase aid to Africa from the current $25,000,000,000 annually to $50,000,000,000 by 2010, and to cancel 100 percent of the debt obligations owed to the World Bank, African Development Bank, and International Monetary Fund by 18 of the world's poorest nations.


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So would this money be going through the UN? Because if it is, I have a BIG problem with that.

As a result, the office of the U.N. secretary-general acts like the management of an old-fashioned corporation before the advent of shareholder activism. It uses other people's money for purposes of its own. Senior managers engage in profitable side ventures that top management may or may not know about. Questions are dismissed as irrelevant and impertinent. (It was not until January, for example — and then only under extreme pressure — that the U.N. made any of its internal audits of the oil-for-food program available to U.S. congressional investigators.)

The problem is not merely that the individuals in charge of the corporation are bad or dishonest, although of course many of them are. The problem is that they are presented with perverse incentives — with few or no controls on misconduct.

The U.N. can sometimes be a useful forum for the world's governments to exchange views. But the idea that the U.N. secretary-general can act somehow as a global representative — or that the U.N. staff can function as an honest and effective international civil service — should be discredited forever by the oil-for-food scandal.

And the next time the world needs some humanitarian work done, let it be done by the International Red Cross.


USATODAY.com - The scandal that is the United Nations

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Ok. . .I saw the cost estimates now (took friggin forever for the pdf to open.) I wish it showed more about how they got the estimates though, because the bill doesn't deal directly with numbers.

I think $1M for a worthy cause is good. . .I've just lost my faith in the UN as far as using that money wisely.

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Honestly, I don't believe it commits us to anything. It is a goodwill gesture started in 1990 from the looks of it. But, I can now intelligently discuss one more piece of hysterical crap being pushed out there to slime Sen. Obama.

LOL. Such funny stuff out there in crazy emails to get people all worked up.

This act is an extension of the Millennium Development Goal.

The Millennium Development Goal was established in 1990. It was a promise made between the US and world leaders to eliminate extreme poverty by 2015.

The president in 1990 was George Bush.
The promise continued under Pres. Clinton, Pres. Bush and will under the next president until it expires in 2015.

The Global Poverty Act requires that the President’s strategy include specific and measurable goals, efforts to be undertaken, benchmarks, and timetables.

The Global Poverty Act does not allocate funding.

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Ahhh. . .ok. Thanks for clearing that up.

I would be interested in where that $845 billion number came from.

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.... pay no attention to the man behind the curtain

I'll be danged if I can get the link to open..I have to go on what you guys are saying it says...

I can hit the link. Do a google search for Thomas Library of Congress and then search for S.2433

The CBO report is in the "all information" link of the Bill.

This is kind of interesting. The $1 million isn't how much we would be paying the UN. It's how much it would be to implement the bill. . .in other words, how much it would cost to formulate and develop the strategies.

I found this. . .obviously from a biased site. . .but I will try to dig into it more later to see if those numbers are in fact what we would be paying the UN to meet the Millennium Development Goal. So, AMulquin, is what you are saying that we are already obligated to this and that Obama's legislation is nothing more than requiring that specific measurable goals be set?

The $845 Billion Bill

It’s true that Obama has inflated or “polished” his resumé. But what about his notorious Global Poverty Act? Why doesn’t Obama mention that? And why wasn’t this glaring omission mentioned by Kurtz and the Annenberg Fact Check group?

On February 13, Obama issued a press release hailing the passage of this bill by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Since it has already passed the House, it awaits a full Senate vote. So why wouldn’t Obama highlight this bill in his patriotic TV ad? The answer lies in the extreme pro-U.N. nature of the bill.

The bill (S. 2433) requires the president to develop a strategy using “international organizations” to implement the Millennium Development Goal of the United Nations to reduce poverty. It still includes an official reference to the “Millennium Development Goals” established by the United Nations Millennium Declaration of the U.N. General Assembly Resolution in 2000.

The bill does not attach a dollar figure and does not need to because that is contained in the 2002 so-called “Monterrey Consensus,” which grew out of the 2000 Millennium Declaration. The Millennium Declaration, which was issued in 2000, specifically called for a “Financing for Development” conference, which was held in 2002 in Monterrey, Mexico, and produced the “Monterrey Consensus.” The whole purpose of this event was to force countries to spend more money on foreign aid.

The “Monterrey Consensus” document coming out of the conference committed nations to spending 0.7 percent of Gross National Product (GNP) on official development assistance (ODA), otherwise known as foreign aid. It says, specifically, that “We recognize that a substantial increase in ODA and other resources will be required if developing countries are to achieve the internationally agreed development goals and objectives, including those contained in the Millennium Declaration.” It then goes on to call for “concrete efforts towards the target of 0.7 percent” of GNP as ODA. It also proposes “innovative sources of finance” to pay for the increased foreign aid. That is a reference to global taxes.

Our estimate, based on information in a column by Jeffrey Sachs of the U.N.’s Millennium Project, is that the cost is $845 billion over 13 years.

“We are short by $65 billion each year, which may seem like a vast sum, but it represents just 0.5% of our GNP,” says Sachs. Therefore, over a 13-year period, from 2002, when the U.N.’s Financing for Development conference was held, to the target year of 2015, when the U.S. is expected to meet the Millennium Development Goals, this amounts to $845 billion. Remember: this figure is based on their estimates of what the U.S. owes.

Obama and his media backers have been whining for months that AIM somehow misinterpreted the provisions of his bill. But they have failed to produce a serious rebuttal of the facts we have presented.

Media Excuse Obama’s False Advertising

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The Millennium Development Project is a program sponsored by the G8. It has nothing to do with the U.N.

UN Millennium Project | Welcome to Our Historic Site

Thanks, forest.

Looks like it does have just a *little* bit to do with the UN.

kvmj, what makes you say it has nothing to do with the UN?

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Yes. The Act formulates a plan to achieve the Millennium Development Goal set between 1990-2015 .
The Congressional Budget Office has estimated the bill would cost less than $1 million to implement.
http://www.bread.org/take-action/ol2...fact-sheet.pdf

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Yes, the bill would cost less than a million to implement, not the actual Millenium Development Goal.

matrix of official development assistance

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Yes. That is my understanding as it relates to the Global Poverty Act

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You know what's really disturbing? Any link I try to find to official UN reports, etc to find out exactly what the amount is agreed upon don't work. It's like every site that would explain this. . .as far as what has been agreed to be the monetary giving goals is down!

This is the only thing I could find:

For EU15 (“old” members), individual ODA target of 0.51% by 2010 and collectively 0.7% by 2015

For EU 10 (“new” members), individual target of 0.17% by 2010 and collectively 0.33% by 2015

But it fails to explain what those percentages mean. Is that where they are getting the 0.7% of GDP number?

matrix of official development assistance


ETA: from the same matrix above:

Target: To make concrete efforts towards the target of 0.7 per cent of GNI as ODA to developing countries and 0.15 – 0.20 per cent of GNI of developed countries to least developed countries.

Aid resources were 0.28 per cent of the combined gross national income (GNI) of the 22 DAC member countries in 2007. The average effort of DAC members was 0.45 per cent

Only 5 countries have met the target

So I guess the goal is 0.7% of GNI.

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What is really noteworthy here is that the OP was trying to lay all of this in the lap of Senator Obama without even doing any research. In actuality this is just a bill continuing what George Bush the senior started under his administration. As a matter of fact OP stated that "The point is, there is substance to Obama, and it isn’t good." Guess that must mean that George Bush senior had terrible motives that we all better be careful for.

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The problem with the Obama bill is that it would make it US policy. The fact that I've never seen it on a list of his accomplishments, makes me wonder why? It is, in fact a massive foreign spending "tax" on the US taxpayers, paid to the UN to do with it whatever they see fit. Seems like he doesn't want the voters to figure that out. . .IMHO.

Btw. . .I guess this all started back in 1969 with the Pearson Commision report.:


The problem for MDG advocates – like Senator Obama – is how to fund all this idealism. The United Nations calls for the U.S. to hand over 0.7 percent of America’s gross domestic product (GDP) on an annual basis – approximately $100 billion each year. Though the UN, Mr. Obama, and everybody associated with the idea deny it, it is a global tax on America’s national income – and it’s been beating around since 1969, when Senator Obama was a child in Indonesia.

The idea of a tax on "wealthy" countries appeared that year in the Pearson Commission report, "Partners in Development." The following year, the UNGA adopted Resolution 2626 that stated, "each economically advanced country will progressively increase its official development assistance to the developing countries and will exert its best efforts to reach a minimum net amount of 0.7 percent of its gross national product."

Senator Obama’s bill – which he didn’t mention last week, would commit the U.S. to a "comprehensive strategy" with "specific and measurable goals." If it is to be funded, it means that the U.S. government will have to start collecting taxes for the United Nations.

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If you google Bill - S. 2433, page after page after page after page of this being directly linked to Obama is listed, it clearly puts his name on the head of this bill. Also in his speech to Germany (can you explain why he was campaigning in Germany?) he was bragging on this bill of "his".

So it looks like those original figures aren't so far off after all, huh?

This was NOT initiated by Senator Obama, he his continuing a program started under Bush the First's administration. Where is your "outrage" at Bush the First since he put this into motion?

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Bush didn't put it in to motion. . .the UN did.

The Millennium Development Goals (MDGs) are eight international development goals that 189 United Nations member states and at least 23 international organizations have agreed to achieve by the year 2015.

Millennium Development Goals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Obama just wants to make it part of US policy.

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Nope. . .they're right on the money. It's a global re-distribution of wealth that takes it out of our hands and gives all the oversight to the UN.

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It is not " just" continuing the program but expanding on it by passing this bill. The US will not have control over the use of "our money" the UN will decide where it goes and under what conditions.
Countries that need the help the most will not receive it because their governments will not do what the UN demands (gun control, etc).

The main problem ...why doesn't anyone understand the US does not have enough money for this stuff anymore!
People are living in tent cities, more people are jobless, more people added to food stamps, etc everyday here in the US.
On top of that thousands of people are applying for SS (baby boomers) everyday.

Everything I read states Obama is the sponsor of this bill.


S. 2433: Global Poverty Act of 2007 (GovTrack.us)

Sponsoring the bill CONTINUING and expanding on the bill started under Bush the first....

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Global Poverty Act

" If signed into law, the legislation would for the first time make it official U.S. policy to achieve this first Millennium Development Goal. Additionally, the Act requires the president to develop and implement a coordinated strategy of U.S. aid, debt relief, and trade policies to achieve this goal."

There was no bill under Bush the first!!! We just signed on to the goals of the UN. That's the whole point. . .we have never made this an official US policy.

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is that silence I hear?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kolu again.

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You are keep a score tab no?

Yeah, not much of a life so lots of time to keep score.....

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you can add negative 45 to your side jeanie, next time you yell for me to do my research, try doing some yourself.

It calls for a plan and progress reports. It is estimated to cost less than one million dollars. See the estimate by the Congressional Budget Office in a previous link.

This is nothing. Here, look at a CBO report for fixing up some post office buildings http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/97xx/doc9773/hr5001.pdf 18 million ... go fight that battle.

Where has your refined sense of fiscal responsibility been for the last 8 years? Your Obama outrage is laughable. We should be blaming our own stupid asses for being fooled by Bush TWICE. If it wasn’t for Bush’s outrageously awful spending (AND need i remind you that 500+ BILLION DOLLARS SENT TO IRAQ ARE MISSING), we wouldn’t even be thinking of this. What a difference 8 years makes when your president is a bumbling moron with a corrupt cabinet full of old family friends! Who, 3 months before leaving this mess he has created, finally decided to not follow his instincts and to talk to experts about the economy .........

Now, Sen. "Economics isn't my strong suit" McCain may get the reigns???

These guys have us over 1600 Billion down in 8 years. That is just between this ill conceived war and the lending problem. That doesn't even touch how much gov has ballooned in the last 8 years. Look at how much Medicare D is costing us ... a total boondoggle for their pals.

This is what 300 Billion dollars looks like $87,000,000,000.00

What part of ,the bill costs less than $1 million to implement but the money that we would be required to pay to the UN is .7% of our GDP or roughly $845 billion more dollars than we already spend, don't you get??

What part of, that the money we have spent in Iraq is under the descretion of OUR government. . .Congress included, people that we choose to vote and re-elect or not, don't you understand??

What part of the UN is just as big and bumbling with corruption that Bush and any of his cronies are and WE don't get to have any say about them or how they spend the money, don't you understand??

And with McCain. . .at least he's not proposing to give an additional $$$$$845 billion$$$$$ to an organization that has been rife with corruption and has NO responsibilty to the American people. . .no checks and balances. . .no voting out who we don't like. . .only one vote in 192 of what to do with the money or who gets it.

And you want to talk about ballooning government?! This is nothing more than communism on a global scale. . .redistribution of wealth. . .if we want to provide help for these causes, fine. . .why do we HAVE to go through the UN to do it, and why does there HAVE to be a policy as to what we give? Makes no sense and frankly I think it's irresponsible to the American taxpayers.

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Yes. . and that $315 billion is less than half of what what we would be required to pay the UN, in addition to what we already pay!!!!

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Oh, I totally give up. Yes, Senator Obama's only goal in life is to sink the United States. There .... You win

Hey. . .I can't make this stuff up. Your assumption appears to be true.

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The problem is, under Obamas proposed plan, his budget will have increased spending of 10% over Bush's current spending, if you are so upset by Bush's budget, while would you support an even higher one?


Look, we are in Iraq, like it or not, pulling out & not finishing the job would just be disastrous. To compare it has no bearing on anything, I seriously doubt even Obama would even pull out if he were elected..he's already been backtracking on that.

Another question, does congress have no control in our budget?

Yes they do.

Frankly, I see this as taxation without representation. . .that's unconstitutional. Didn't Obama teach Constitutional law?

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