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From 1995 to 1999, he (Obama) led an education foundation called the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), and remained on the board until 2001. The group poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.


The CAC was the brainchild of Bill Ayers, a founder of the Weather Underground in the 1960s. Among other feats, Mr. Ayers and his cohorts bombed the Pentagon, and he has never expressed regret for his actions. Barack Obama's first run for the Illinois State Senate was launched at a 1995 gathering at Mr. Ayers's home.

The Obama campaign has struggled to downplay that association. Last April, Sen. Obama dismissed Mr. Ayers as just "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Yet documents in the CAC archives make clear that Mr. Ayers and Mr. Obama were partners in the CAC. Those archives are housed in the Richard J. Daley Library at the University of Illinois at Chicago and I've recently spent days looking through them.

The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was created ostensibly to improve Chicago's public schools. The funding came from a national education initiative by Ambassador Walter Annenberg. In early 1995, Mr. Obama was appointed the first chairman of the board, which handled fiscal matters. Mr. Ayers co-chaired the foundation's other key body, the "Collaborative," which shaped education policy.

The CAC's basic functioning has long been known, because its annual reports, evaluations and some board minutes were public. But the Daley archive contains additional board minutes, the Collaborative minutes, and documentation on the groups that CAC funded and rejected. The Daley archives show that Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda.

One unsettled question is how Mr. Obama, a former community organizer fresh out of law school, could vault to the top of a new foundation? In response to my questions, the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that Mr. Ayers had nothing to do with Obama's "recruitment" to the board. The statement says Deborah Leff and Patricia Albjerg Graham (presidents of other foundations) recruited him. Yet the archives show that, along with Ms. Leff and Ms. Graham, Mr. Ayers was one of a working group of five who assembled the initial board in 1994. Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.

The CAC's agenda flowed from Mr. Ayers's educational philosophy, which called for infusing students and their parents with a radical political commitment, and which downplayed achievement tests in favor of activism. In the mid-1960s, Mr. Ayers taught at a radical alternative school, and served as a community organizer in Cleveland's ghetto.

In works like "City Kids, City Teachers" and "Teaching the Personal and the Political," Mr. Ayers wrote that teachers should be community organizers dedicated to provoking resistance to American racism and oppression. His preferred alternative? "I'm a radical, Leftist, small 'c' communist," Mr. Ayers said in an interview in Ron Chepesiuk's, "Sixties Radicals," at about the same time Mr. Ayers was forming CAC.

CAC translated Mr. Ayers's radicalism into practice. Instead of funding schools directly, it required schools to affiliate with "external partners," which actually got the money. Proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement were turned down. Instead CAC disbursed money through various far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or Acorn).

Mr. Obama once conducted "leadership training" seminars with Acorn, and Acorn members also served as volunteers in Mr. Obama's early campaigns. External partners like the South Shore African Village Collaborative and the Dual Language Exchange focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education. CAC's in-house evaluators comprehensively studied the effects of its grants on the test scores of Chicago public-school students. They found no evidence of educational improvement.

CAC also funded programs designed to promote "leadership" among parents. Ostensibly this was to enable parents to advocate on behalf of their children's education. In practice, it meant funding Mr. Obama's alma mater, the Developing Communities Project, to recruit parents to its overall political agenda. CAC records show that board member Arnold Weber was concerned that parents "organized" by community groups might be viewed by school principals "as a political threat." Mr. Obama arranged meetings with the Collaborative to smooth out Mr. Weber's objections.

The Daley documents show that Mr. Ayers sat as an ex-officio member of the board Mr. Obama chaired through CAC's first year. He also served on the board's governance committee with Mr. Obama, and worked with him to craft CAC bylaws. Mr. Ayers made presentations to board meetings chaired by Mr. Obama. Mr. Ayers spoke for the Collaborative before the board. Likewise, Mr. Obama periodically spoke for the board at meetings of the Collaborative.

The Obama campaign notes that Mr. Ayers attended only six board meetings, and stresses that the Collaborative lost its "operational role" at CAC after the first year. Yet the Collaborative was demoted to a strictly advisory role largely because of ethical concerns, since the projects of Collaborative members were receiving grants. CAC's own evaluators noted that project accountability was hampered by the board's reluctance to break away from grant decisions made in 1995. So even after Mr. Ayers's formal sway declined, the board largely adhered to the grant program he had put in place.

Mr. Ayers's defenders claim that he has redeemed himself with public-spirited education work. That claim is hard to swallow if you understand that he views his education work as an effort to stoke resistance to an oppressive American system. He likes to stress that he learned of his first teaching job while in jail for a draft-board sit-in. For Mr. Ayers, teaching and his 1960s radicalism are two sides of the same coin.

Mr. Ayers is the founder of the "small schools" movement (heavily funded by CAC), in which individual schools built around specific political themes push students to "confront issues of inequity, war, and violence." He believes teacher education programs should serve as "sites of resistance" to an oppressive system. (His teacher-training programs were also CAC funded.) The point, says Mr. Ayers in his "Teaching Toward Freedom," is to "teach against oppression," against America's history of evil and racism, thereby forcing social transformation.

The Obama campaign has cried foul when Bill Ayers comes up, claiming "guilt by association." Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle. That is a story even if Mr. Ayers had never planted a single bomb 40 years ago.

The whole "a guy who lives in my neighborhood," and "not somebody who I exchange ideas with on a regular basis." Is a joke. But this kind of thing is typical coming from the Obama camp.

Here's an interesting article out of Las Vegas regarding ACORN. . .makes you wonder about all those newly registered voters in places like VA:

ReviewJournal.com - News - RISING REGISTRATION: New voter sign-ups up

ACORN's tactics are controversial.

The group has drawn accusations of voter fraud and criminal investigations in several states. Last year, authorities in Washington state brought felony charges against ACORN workers for filing false voter registrations.

Some ACORN workers pleaded guilty and went to jail, while the organization paid $25,000 and agreed to have its registration efforts monitored in a settlement with Washington state authorities.

Lomax said while he supports the goal of getting more people registered to vote, he sees rampant fraud in the 2,000 to 3,000 registrations ACORN turns in every week.

"Whenever people get paid to register voters, those individuals have an incentive to meet their quota, and that results sometimes in people doing things they shouldn't," Lomax said.

His office sends out thousands of letters based on registration applications that don't have valid addresses or Social Security numbers, or have other suspicious irregularities.

The office also receives frequent complaints from people who have been notified of changes in their registration that they say they didn't make.

"There's no question it's a crime. It says right there on the form it's a felony to put down false voter registration information," said Lomax, who is working with authorities to see what can be done. "It's very difficult to prosecute someone on something like this, because you have to prove it's intentional and determine whose fault it is."

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You are referencing an opinion piece by Stanley Kurtz who I would consider a “right wing wacko” for lack of a better term.

Fact Check: Stanley Kurtz And The Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need |

It's no secret that Kurtz doesn't like Obama. The Ayres connection is a pretty foggy one. I just think the whole "a guy in my neighborhood" thing was ridiculous! If there's nothing to hide than just say that he was a radical in the 60's, now he's a professor, and we sat on the Board of the Woods Foundation together.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

"When moderator George Stephanopoulos asked Obama about Ayers, the senator said he is "a guy who lives in my neighborhood ... who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis." He continued:

Obama: And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn't make much sense, George."
FactCheck.org: Taking Liberties in Philadelphia

Well.... that's some good grammar right there.

So lets all go hang out with some Nazi soldiers who used to work in concentration camps! After all, their bad behavior happened a long time ago. No apologies necessary!

Yet the issue here isn't guilt by association; it's guilt by participation. As CAC chairman, Mr. Obama was lending moral and financial support to Mr. Ayers and his radical circle

Global Labor and Politics: Obama/Ayers Update: Annenberg Mystery Tour Continues

Good read. . .thank you. I had heard that he was initially denied access to the records. . .just sounds fishy.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

"Once again, the Democrats want to set up a self-funding mechanism, this time by exploiting a severe financial crisis. Despicable."
Hot Air Blog Archive The Democratic ACORN bailout; Update: Video added

Yep! Read this thread:

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...sense-now.html

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

It makes your head spin.....the nerve of these people!

Obama Claims He Never Worked For Acorn | Sweetness & Light

And we are suppose to believe him on all the ohter crap he has spewed???

"I never heard him say anything controversial"

"He was just a guy in my neighborhood"

"Frank Raines wasn't an advisor"

Blah blah blah. . . .he's a liar. You have to ask yourself why?

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Why not try something from a credible source: NYT: Crossed paths of Obama, ?60s bomber - The New York Times - MSNBC.com

Could somebody please tell me who is involved in this radical group that surrounds Bill Ayers?

Read this:

Weatherman (organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

ETA: There are still a lot of unanswered questions involving their relationship. Just another person in a long list of people now that Obama has had to try to downplay his relationship to.

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John M. Murtagh
Fire in the Night
The Weathermen tried to kill my family.
30 April 2008

Fire in the Night by John M. Murtagh, City Journal 30 April 2008

Overall, I think that this particular smear has backfired on McCain.

Don't take this the wrong way, but, I believe that conservative media puts forth these allegations and it's audience just reacts like a bunch of bobblehead dolls. The allegations make sense within this tightly closed circle, but to the rest of us, it's nonsense.

I will admit that Obama has a funny name so, I guess that gives conservativesa the right to attach any minor association and twist it into a shape that pleases your senses.

Personally, I think that people are just so sick of all the smear campaigns and BS, that they don't really care if a candidate has gotten in bed with the Devil, at this point. They just want some relief from all the craziness that's going on. Sadly, I think that is what it has come to.

These are tough times, and people got a little used to living high off the hog. Now, things are correcting themselves, and getting back in check, and it's tough, no doubt about it.

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I don't think Obama's association with Ayres makes him a terrorist. I guess there are a few that make that correlation, but there are idiots on both sides of the aisle.

The real problem I have is the way Obama downplays it and how that is such a theme with him. Ayres was significant in helping Obama launch his political career. He seems to be somewhat reformed now, yet still unapollagetic. Why not just admit that? Obama did denounce what Ayres did back in the sixties, that should be enough. But in putting out that, "just a guy in my neighborhood" crap, makes it an issue. . .he's being deceptive. Voters have every right, and I would say an obligation, to find out the extent of their relationship and their shared views.

There are so many ways that Obama could have spun this and still be forthright about it. "Ayres was a radical and thought he was being patriotic. He has changed." Or "Ayres was a radical and still has some controversial views, but I (Obama) don't share his radical views, but I do share some ideas with him, like on education." Blah blah blah. . .By not doing that, he leaves himself open for voters to try and figure it out. Just what views and ideology do they share?

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It's one thing to beat a dead horse.

It's another thing to get another stick once your's breaks so you can keep up with the beating.

And...it's yet another thing to send some lady in there with a hockey stick, and ask her to take a whack at it too.

After a while, facts or no facts, you start to look ridiculous and like you are reaching.

The GOP needs to step away from this "road kill"...it's not gaining them any traction...and get back to what people really want to hear. People need to hear clear outlines of what both canidates (yes, That One, too) plan to do over the next 4 years.

Unless one of them has been going for long, moonlight walks in the sand with Bin Laden and trying to keep that under raps, I don't care who they did business, got support from, saw a concert with, took advice from, or got a blessing to protect them from witchcraft from.

It's time to get down to real business -- tell me what you are going to do for me and my family. Plain speak it. Let me know how you plan on doing it, and most importantly, who are you brining to the table with you, because no President does it on their own.

Horse. Stick. Dead. Enough Already.

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I agree with you.

The only reason I think it is valid to look at these types of things is because you need to be able to determine if the person laying out their plan is credible.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

As a young man, Ayers was most assuredly radical. Now, no. Are all liberal ideals radical to you?

Frank Raines isn't an adviser to Obama's campaign. They met for 5 minutes once.

William Ayers is a respected part of the community now. The end.

Gee. . .if you say so.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

I thought I had posted on this thread, but it doesn't seem so.

I find this whole line of argument tiresome, just as I find it tiresome to read how McCain was a hotdog who crashed a lot of planes and kept his wings because his dad and granddad were Admirals. Both points seem to be drawing concusions based upon inferences and implications.

You know that the parties are different on very important points. But we don't seem to do much arguing on the issues, now do we? Instead, we say: look, look, Obama was a radical. Look, look, McCain was a selfish, rich kid, hot dog.

I just think it is insane to think that they are the same person that they were. Who is the same person that they were 20 years or more years ago? Growth is good.

Anyone who believes that persons are what they were 20 or 30 or 40 years ago is either stupid or disingenuous.

Are you the same person as you were 20 or 30 years ago? If you are, I'll stamp a big "fail" sticker upon you. I'm better. I grew. If you are the same person, or think that others must be, you are really just missing out on that great life experience called "growth."

Life happens. Let's assume that Obama was willing to embrace things when he was young which he wouldn't now. And McCain shows a history of being a egomaniac, as exemplified when he was young by being a hotdog who crashed planes and when he was older, by his affairs and by being so detached that he didn't know that his wife had a serious problem.

We can argue about which one was worse.

But when it hits the highway, I don't care whether what candidates did decades ago. I care about the positions that they ascribe to now.

Can we focus on the issues here?

And if you can't, just be a little bit honest in the whole thing. Your candidate isn't wrapped up in candy corn . My candidate has stayed pretty true to my parties positions, and you might want to paint him as a communist (or is it a socialist), he hasn't said anything that would support that he is either.

Your candidate is pretty solidly conservative, although your own party seems to want to make him out as a demon.

But, it is about about the positions that the candidates take. I'm good with that.

Deal or no deal? You want to mess with the messy history or you want to focus on the issues.

And if you say, "no deal," can you explain why not. Cause I don't know. As a partisan of my party, I don't know.

Dannyboy. . .you're right in that this stuff seems insignificant. I guess my argument would be that if it applies to one, than it should apply to both.

I'm going to go way off here now. . .

I am starting to think that we are arguing Coke vs. Pepsi. The frustration with the Coke drinkers is that the Pepsi drinkers really think that Pepsi is different from Coke. At least that's how I feel. BUT in the end, there really is no difference. Both Obama and McCain are cola.

The truth of the matter is, it's government vs citizen's. This bailout crap has made that perfectly clear. Virtually nobody in government is listening to the citizenry! They aren't doing what's in our best interest. The politicain's are ALL on the same side, and it's NOT ours! We're being raped by our own government! And yes that includes your precious Democrats. They will promise you everything including the kitchen sink, all the while they voted to go to Iraq, they didn't do a darn thing about healthcare while they had the chance, they voted for the bailout and when they didn't have enough Republican votes, they BOUGHT them. . .not with their money, but with OURS!

They can stand up there and tell you how they feel your pain and can relate to all of us peeons, BUT in the mean time this won't effect them. . .they'll still have six-figure jobs, great pensions, the best healthcare plan in this country. And it's not just them, they take their cronies along for the ride!

That's what pisses me off the most about this ACORN crap. This Rathke fellow is getting rich under the guise of "social justice" and people are stupid enough to fall for it. ACORN has tax exempt status, they get huge federal grants, meanwhile they are paying con's on work release and people down on their luck $8 stinking dollars an hour to work under horrible and dangerous conditions. They fight Wal-Mart who employs alot of people that otherwise would be unemployed. They're argument against Wal-Mart? That the employees aren't unionized, meanwhile they have blocked their own employees from unionizing! And why does Rathke want Wal-Mart to unionize? Not so that employees can have better working conditions, because ACORN is in the union business. . .more dues money for Rathke! Ka-ching $$$$$!!!!

If there was ever a time in this country's history that a third party could come into play. . .now would be the opportune moment. I'm sure some of you know that there is now an Army combat unit deployed within the US. And that Bush AND Congress basically repealed the Posse Comitatus Act in 2006. If you think it was a Republican thing. . .check out the voting record on it:

Project Vote Smart - Defense Department FY 2007 Authorization bill Member Vote List

All yesses and 4 no-votes. Has Congress ever came together on ANYTHING like that? Have the Dems ever been that supportive of Bush? Why would they do it? Hmmmm. . .we can have US troops deployed within this country? Sounds like a government against it's citizens type of thing. Heaven forbid the American people rise up! It's probably time we stop drinking cola and start drinking coffee to WAKE THE F*CK UP!!!

ETA: So tell me. . .Democrat or Republican. . .how are YOU feeling about your pension, your 401K, the fact that Social Security isn't going to be there for you in your golden years . . .what it feels like to try to feed your family, fill up your car with gas, pay your mortgage, pay your income taxes and meet your other obligations lately? All the while, our government gave AIG $85 billion, the top execs went on a $440,000 retreat where they spent $24,000 on spa treatments and played golf, only to come home and ask for another $38 million and the government gladly obliged.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

I agree.

I also think that regardless of who ends up in the White House, things will be better in four years because so much of this is cyclical and if you're fortunate to hit an up cycle when it's your turn to be CiC, you'll get the credit.

If Obama ends up winning, the silver lining is that within 4-6 years the conservatives will have control of congress again. That just seems to be how it works.

What concerns me about all of these connections Obama has is that he just seems very *comfortable* running in the same circles as people that are extremely sketchy. I don't think he and Ayers went to Cubs games together or anything, but my perception is that Obama has not been *uncomfortable* running in circles with people of that ilk. To me, that implies that he trusts them and will let them have his ear. Just like the Wright thing... he sat in that man's pews for 20 years. No way could I ever do that. My values are so mis-aligned with race-based religion that I'd have shaken the dust off of my feet and walked out of the door of a place like that, pronto.

I just don't understand why Obama isn't turned off by these radicals.

I agree, most people (hopefully) are not the same as they were 20 years ago. I think, personally, my problem with it is that SO MANY of the people linked to Obama are "shady". Also, they are in the not-so-distant past of Obama. McCain's only "dirt" is that he downed 5 planes and got off the hook?? Oh, and of course The Keating 5, which I have read up on.

BTW, did anyone catch the flub at a Democratic get together where the guy introducing Joe Biden said "please welcome our next Vice President John McCain" We're all getting burnt out, I think.

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The problem to me is fundamentals of ones belief system, Obama is linked to socialism everywhere you turn! McCain is late on the game getting the ACORN & Ayers word out, we've been talking about these connections for quite some time now...so while it may be old to you, much of America is just now hearing it.

I heard on the TV today that as recently as 2001, Ayers said he wished he would have done more. That is only 7 years ago...... and people are OK with Obama being tied to this guy??? I just don't get it.

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Here's an interesting clip:
Obama Campaign Conceeds They Lied About Ayers - Admits Obama Knew About Ayers Past When They Worked Together. The IUSB Vision Weblog


On the left there are many other links. I have no idea what kind of web site this is, as I stated before, I like to get my information for all sorts of places, and fact check them myself.

Well, gee, looky there...... Video no longer available...... hmmmmm, wonder why not????

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W Ketchup Company Demands Obama Return Fannie Mae Contributions The IUSB Vision Weblog

Bill Zachary, Chairman of W Ketchup, commented: “It should not be any wonder that a housing bubble occurred as Congress forced banks to make risky loans and Greenspan lowered interest rates to 1.25%. Politicians have blamed Wall Street greed for this financial crisis, but on Wall Street greed is balanced by fear, and the market soon erases excesses. For Washington politicians, greed has no restraint since Congress can confiscate money from taxpayers at will.”

President Bush twice tried to restrict the dangerous lending banks were required to make under the Act, and in 2005 Senator John McCain proposed reform legislation. Democrats blocked the reform efforts. The New York Times defended the Act saying: “Since its inception, the law has prompted banks to channel more than $1 trillion into [low income areas] — without requiring a single dollar of Congressional spending.” Last Friday Congress passed a $700 billion rescue measure to bail out financial markets hurt by the housing mess.

Dan Oliver, CEO of W Ketchup, reacted: “Modern socialists believe government need not own the commanding heights of enterprise, but instead should direct them through tax incentives and regulatory requirements. This is the ‘Third Way’ championed by President Clinton and the UK’s Tony Blair. But socialism in any form produces the same results: poverty and misery. Leftists like Big Tuna Pelosi blame the current financial panic on free markets. In reality, while markets are not perfect and there exist individual cases of predatory fraud, market distortions perpetrated by liberals created the magnitude of this crisis.”

In the 1990’s Presidential candidate Barack Obama worked for a Chicago law firm that sued banks for not issuing enough subprime loans to low income applicants. Obama also worked and raised money for ACORN, a radical, left-wing community group that coerced banks to make risky loans by intimidating the families of bankers at their homes. The Senate Banking Committee has estimated that $9.5 billion in “commissions” have gone to groups like ACORN under the Community Reinvestment Act. Since he began his run for Congress, Barack Obama has received $126,349 in campaign contributions from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, becoming the second highest recipient of any Congressman in three short years.

Obama’s closest advisors include Jim Johnson, former Fannie Mae CEO who misreported his $21 million bonus as $6 million, and Franklin Raines, another former CEO of Fannie Mae who faced civil charges for overstating the company’s earnings in order to receive $52 million in bonus, in addition to his $38 million in pay.

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Yes, Ayers was involved in some violent protests during the 60's. Protesting during that period was extremely wide spread. Most of it was directed against the Vietnam war. Because I grew up during that period, I do not find the backlash against the war odd or uncommon. These men's lives were on the line.
These protests were instrumental in ending the Vietnam War. In other words, they brought about the desired reult. Those were the times Ayers lived in. He will probably never regret the actions that he took.

Ayers went farther than most, but he's all grown up now and leading a perfectly normal life. He is a well respected professor, active in community projects and active in local politics. He cannot be considered by any stretch of the imagination to be a terrorist now.

Because Ayers is active in Chicago politics, it should be no surprise that Obama and Ayers met. It should be no surprise that Ayers would host an introductory fundraiser for Obama. It should be no surprise that Obama accepted the invitation. It should also be no surprise that they were both involved in the same charitable organization.

Actually, Ayers exemplifies the only way in the world to stop terrorism; make them part of the political process.

Now you know why so many of us don't have any concerns about Obama's limited contacts with Ayers.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/op...in&oref=slogin

That is a bit of a paradox, huh... I would love some conservative media, I mean real conservative media, not conservative websites. I guess Fox News is conservative or maybe it is just that they are fair in their reporting. Anyway, the words conservative media together, just struck me funny.

Hmmmm, so , if Timothy McVeigh were still alive, and let's fast forward to 2035, 40 years after he bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma City, you would be fine with a presidential candidate associating with that???

Also, I find it sickening that just about EVERYONE associated with Obama is of this ilk.

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Acorn didn't push for subprime loans. Nobody wants a supbrime loan.

"The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is not merely offensive, but entirely wrong."

Read this (it's accurate): The right blames the credit crisis on poor minority homeowners. This is not merely offensive, but entirely wrong. - By Daniel Gross - Slate Magazine

Why do you keep quoting NYT as if it isn't biased?

OH no....surely you dont believe all this rhetoric....Obama is pure as the driven snow...Libs have had all the proof they need. they just chose to ignor it!!!!!!!!!! Sherri

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I don't know about anyone else but I write book reviews for guys in my neighborhood all the time.
Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers' book zomblog

There's lots of buzz about Ayers actually being the one who penned Obamas book, the style has been forensically examined & it has been found to be a match last I read..

Yep I've been reading about that....here's a good article...

"The Obama camp could put all such speculation to rest by producing some intermediary sign of impending greatness -- a school paper, an article, a notebook, his Columbia thesis, his LSAT scores -- but Obama guards these more zealously than Saddam did his nuclear secrets. And I suspect, at the end of the day, we will pay an equally high price for Obama's concealment as Saddam's."

American Thinker: Who Wrote Dreams From My Father?

Of course! Both books use maritime metaphors so they both must be by the same author! Anyone who thinks that follows in any logical sense is riding a sinking ship on the murky waters of political desperation. -Bill Ayers

That's all well and fine, but mairtime metaphors aren't something you just find in every book. Obama was never even a seaman. . .why all the maritime metaphors?

I would just like to see something Obama wrote besides those awful poems that would even closely resemble the voice heard in Dreams.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Just a guy in the neighborhood ....
Should a child ever be called a “super predator?”

I agree with Ayers. Children are just that, children.

Have you never been to Hawaii? Did you not notice the ocean? Do you think that he never saw a ship or a sailboat?

This is the most ridiculous stretch I have ever seen.

Don't worry, they'll come up with some even more outrageous pretty soon. Outrage and lies are what they're counting on to get McCain elected.

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I agreed with the way the author of this article put it...

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Obama's failure is one of character


It concerns me that so many people just traded one democratic nominee for another.
Obama is not Hillary and people don't realize that. They don't bring the same qualifications to the table.

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Again just a guy in the neighborhood....
YouTube - Amazing Ayers Audio Unearthed from Same Week Obama worked with him! Extremist Ayers and Obama views matched almost word for word !

Charles Krauthamer! Funny . . .

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