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Old 09-25-2008, 03:05 PM
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Some perspective on the bailouts

I found this on another board. . .someone there posted it. . .sorry no link.

I think it puts perspective on the kind of money we are talking about.

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I’m against the $85,000,000,000.00 bailout of AIG.

Instead, I’m in favor of giving $85,000,000,000 to America in

a We Deserve It Dividend.

To make the math simple, let’s assume there are 200,000,000

bonafide U.S. Citizens 18+.

Our population is about 301,000,000 +/- counting every man, woman

and child. So 200,000,000 might be a fair stab at adults 18 and up..

So divide 200 million adults 18+ into $85 billon that equals $425,000.00.

My plan is to give $425,000 to every person 18+ as a

We Deserve It Dividend.

Of course, it would NOT be tax free.

So let’s assume a tax rate of 30%.

Every individual 18+ has to pay $127,500.00 in taxes.

That sends $25,500,000,000 right back to Uncle Sam.

But it means that every adult 18+ has $297,500.00 in their pocket.

A husband and wife has $595,000.00.

What would you do with $297,500.00 to $595,000.00 in your family?

Pay off your mortgage – housing crisis solved.

Repay college loans – what a great boost to new grads

Put away money for college – it’ll be there

Save in a bank – create money to loan to entrepreneurs.

Buy a new car – create jobs

Invest in the market – capital drives growth

Pay for your parent’s medical insurance – health care improves

Enable Deadbeat Dads to come clean – or else

Remember this is for every adult U S Citizen 18+ including the folks

who lost their jobs at Lehman Brothers and every other company

that is cutting back. And of course, for those serving in our Armed Forces.

If we’re going to re-distribute wealth let’s really do it.

If we’re going to do an $85 billion bailout, let’s bail out every adult U S Citizen 18+!

As for AIG – liquidate it.

Sell off its parts.

Let American General go back to being American General.

Sell off the real estate.

Let the private sector bargain hunters cut it up and clean it up.

Here’s the rationale. We deserve it and AIG doesn’t.

Sure it’s a crazy idea that can “never work.”

But can you imagine the Coast-To-Coast Block Party!

How do you spell Economic Boom?

I trust my fellow adult Americans to know how to use the $85 Billion

We Deserve It Dividend more than I do the geniuses at AIG or in Washington DC .

And remember, The this plan only really costs $59.5 Billion because $25.5 Billion is returned

instantly in taxes to Uncle Sam."
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Old 09-25-2008, 03:29 PM
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The idea hit my brain earlier this morning. I was thinking of the 700 billion bail-out plan.

Why not give it to us taxpayers? A million dollars each or more?
Give ourselves the loan!
Everyone could pay off their debts, mortage, cars, etc. and most would have money left to help restart the economy.

A nice dream!
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:23 PM
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Someone needs to send this to the Pres. he was on the fence as of yesterday about telling the people getting the bailout what they can and can't use the money for. He didn't want to tell them they can't use some of the money to pay off the heads of the companies for their "golden parachutes"... Really, is it that tough to do? I say give it back to US!!!
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:39 PM
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Someone needs to send this to the Pres. he was on the fence as of yesterday about telling the people getting the bailout what they can and can't use the money for. He didn't want to tell them they can't use some of the money to pay off the heads of the companies for their "golden parachutes"... Really, is it that tough to do? I say give it back to US!!!
Yeah. . .it's all a nice idea. The only problem is that there would be hyper-inflation. . .the money wouldn't mean much when a loaf of bread is $200.

Think about this too. . .that bill that Obama sponsored it sending an additional $845 billion to the UN. Think what we could do with it if it stayed home??!!!
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:46 PM
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And even more bailouts to come on top of this $700 Billion.

FT.com / World / US & Canada - House clears $25bn for carmakers
($25 Billion to carmakers)

Bloomberg.com: Special Report
($150 Billion FDIC)
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Old 09-25-2008, 04:50 PM
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And even more bailouts to come on top of this $700 Billion.

FT.com / World / US & Canada - House clears $25bn for carmakers
($25 Billion to carmakers)

Bloomberg.com: Special Report
($150 Billion FDIC)
Yep. . .it's only going to get worse.

It's basically socialism in it's worst form. What we might really need to do is let these businesses fail. It will hurt and affect A LOT of people, but we can't keep propping then up with tax payer money. Eventually the govenment. . .translation. . .we the taxpayers, will own all these failing industries. And that folks is communism.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:16 PM
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I wish. The thing that gets me is DH and I were approved for over $500,000 to buy a house 3 years ago. We knew our payment would be more then we could afford so we passed and continued to rent. Why don't they give some money to the poeple that didn't nail their a@^es to the wall.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:28 PM
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I wish. The thing that gets me is DH and I were approved for over $500,000 to buy a house 3 years ago. We knew our payment would be more then we could afford so we passed and continued to rent. Why don't they give some money to the poeple that didn't nail their a@^es to the wall.
That's a good point. We passed on buying a different house too. . .we would have had to do an interest only loan in order to qualify for the hefty price tag. We said "no thanks". I really wanted that house too. . .but we knew it was unrealistic no matter how many people were telling us is could be done.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:44 PM
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Stupid question: What is AIG?
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:49 PM
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Stupid question: What is AIG?
Not a stupid question. It's the American International Group. It's a major insurance corporation.

American International Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: Apparently it's the 18th-largest company in the world.
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Old 09-25-2008, 06:50 PM
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Stupid question: What is AIG?

American International Group, Inc. (AIG) (NYSE: AIG, TYO: 8685, ISEQ: AIN) is a major American insurance corporation based at the American International Building in New York City. The British headquarters are located on Fenchurch Street in London, continental Europe operations are based in La Défense, Paris, and its Asian HQ is in Hong Kong. According to the 2008 Forbes Global 2000 list, AIG was the 18th-largest company in the world. It was on the Dow Jones Industrial Average from April 8, 2004 to September 22, 2008.

On September 16, 2008, as AIG suffered a liquidity crisis following the downgrade of its credit rating, the United States Federal Reserve loaned money to AIG at AIG's request to prevent the company's collapse. The Fed announced the creation of a credit facility of up to US$85 billion in exchange for warrants for a 79.9% equity stake and the right to suspend dividends to previously issued common and preferred stock. AIG announced the same day that its board accepted the terms of the Federal Reserve Bank's rescue package. This was the largest government bailout of a private company in U.S. history, though smaller than the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac a week earlier.
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Old 09-26-2008, 04:49 PM
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