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Old 09-25-2008, 11:07 PM
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Conservative George Will says McCain is not suited to the Presidency

In a recent Op-Ed column by Conservative Columnist George Will entitled McCain Loses His Head, Will Says McCain is not suited to the Presidency. He also says Obama doesn't have the experience. That is expected from a conservative. I find this very telling that even conservatives are starting to see the truth about McCain.

McCain Loses His Head

By George F. Will
Tuesday, September 23, 2008;

"The queen had only one way of settling all difficulties, great or small. 'Off with his head!' she said without even looking around."
-- "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland"

Under the pressure of the financial crisis, one presidential candidate is behaving like a flustered rookie playing in a league too high. It is not Barack Obama.

Channeling his inner Queen of Hearts, John McCain furiously, and apparently without even looking around at facts, said Chris Cox, chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, should be decapitated. This childish reflex provoked the Wall Street Journal to editorialize that "McCain untethered" -- disconnected from knowledge and principle -- had made a "false and deeply unfair" attack on Cox that was "unpresidential" and demonstrated that McCain "doesn't understand what's happening on Wall Street any better than Barack Obama does."

To read the Journal's details about the depths of McCain's shallowness on the subject of Cox's chairmanship, see "McCain's Scapegoat" (Sept. 19). Then consider McCain's characteristic accusation that Cox "has betrayed the public's trust."

Perhaps an old antagonism is involved in McCain's fact-free slander. His most conspicuous economic adviser is Douglas Holtz-Eakin, who previously headed the Congressional Budget Office. There he was an impediment to conservatives, including then-Rep. Cox, who, as chairman of the Republican Policy Committee, persistently tried and generally failed to enlist CBO support for "dynamic scoring" that would estimate the economic growth effects of proposed tax cuts.

In any case, McCain's smear -- that Cox "betrayed the public's trust" -- is a harbinger of a McCain presidency. For McCain, politics is always operatic, pitting people who agree with him against those who are "corrupt" or "betray the public's trust," two categories that seem to be exhaustive -- there are no other people. McCain's Manichaean worldview drove him to his signature legislative achievement, the McCain-Feingold law's restrictions on campaigning. Today, his campaign is creatively finding interstices in laws intended to restrict campaign giving and spending. (For details, see The Post of Sept. 17; and the New York Times of Sept. 19.)

By a Gresham's Law of political discourse, McCain's Queen of Hearts intervention in the opaque financial crisis overshadowed a solid conservative complaint from the Republican Study Committee, chaired by Rep. Jeb Hensarling of Texas. In a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke, the RSC decried the improvised torrent of bailouts as a "dangerous and unmistakable precedent for the federal government both to be looked to and indeed relied upon to save private sector companies from the consequences of their poor economic decisions." This letter, listing just $650 billion of the perhaps more than $1 trillion in new federal exposures to risk, was sent while McCain's campaign, characteristically substituting vehemence for coherence, was airing an ad warning that Obama favors "massive government, billions in spending increases."

The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics. Today, the efficient means to that end is government control of capital. So, is not McCain's party now conducting the most leftist administration in American history? The New Deal never acted so precipitously on such a scale. Treasury Secretary Paulson, asked about conservative complaints that his rescue program amounts to socialism, said, essentially: This is not socialism, this is necessary. That non sequitur might be politically necessary, but remember that government control of capital is government control of capitalism. Does McCain have qualms about this, or only quarrels?

On "60 Minutes" Sunday evening, McCain, saying "this may sound a little unusual," said that he would like to replace Cox with Andrew Cuomo, the Democratic attorney general of New York who is the son of former governor Mario Cuomo. McCain explained that Cuomo has "respect" and "prestige" and could "lend some bipartisanship." Conservatives have been warned.

Conservatives who insist that electing McCain is crucial usually start, and increasingly end, by saying he would make excellent judicial selections. But the more one sees of his impulsive, intensely personal reactions to people and events, the less confidence one has that he would select judges by calm reflection and clear principles, having neither patience nor aptitude for either.

It is arguable that, because of his inexperience, Obama is not ready for the presidency. It is arguable that McCain, because of his boiling moralism and bottomless reservoir of certitudes, is not suited to the presidency. Unreadiness can be corrected, although perhaps at great cost, by experience. Can a dismaying temperament be fixed?

George F. Will - McCain Loses His Head - washingtonpost.com
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Old 09-26-2008, 07:16 AM
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The political left always aims to expand the permeation of economic life by politics.
The political left always aims to denigrate the opposition. This McCain bashing opinion piece is pure garbage and isn't remotely interesting unless you're a devout Obama fan.
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Old 09-26-2008, 07:22 AM
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I guess George Will has fallen from favor with the right. Poor George.
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:24 AM
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The political left always aims to denigrate the opposition. This McCain bashing opinion piece is pure garbage and isn't remotely interesting unless you're a devout Obama fan.

Yes it is an opinion piece but not one by the political left. It is by a much respected right wing columnist. That's my point. Even the right wing is running from McCain. Maybe it is time to expand your horizons by looking to other media outlets besides fox news. Sorry if the truth hurts.
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Old 09-26-2008, 08:35 AM
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To paraphrase: They can't handle the truth!

The truth is that McCain is a fraud. He's no maverick, he's no hero, he's no leader. He's an opportunist political panderer with feet of clay.

And Sarah Palin, to be charitable, is utterly unprepared to be VP, much less president.
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:15 AM
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And Sarah Palin, to be charitable, is utterly unprepared to be VP, much less president.
Palin, a VP pick is more politically qualified and prepared than Obama himself and he's running for President.

I think it's telling that the Democrats can't find anything wrong with McCain so they focus their energy on bashing his VP choice instead. It's even more telling that his VP choice is more qualified than their Presidential candidate, a fact that the Republican bashers choose to just ignore while they spread their propoganda.

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Old 09-26-2008, 09:21 AM
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Palin, a VP pick is more politically qualified and prepared than Obama himself and he's running for President.
You keep saying that. Doesn't make it true.

I think I'll start my own "if I repeat it often enough, people will start to believe it story." Hmmm . . . how about "Palin is uniquely qualified to be vice president." I know, completely outrageous, but, trust me, if I say it often enough, there are actually people who will start to believe that silly story!

I can't wait for the VP debate.
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:51 AM
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I think I'll start my own "if I repeat it often enough, people will start to believe it story."
I have to laugh because you have started your own "if I repeat it often enough, people will start to believe it stories". You've started so many of them over the years that I've lost count of them!


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Old 09-26-2008, 12:51 PM
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Yes it is an opinion piece but not one by the political left. It is by a much respected right wing columnist. That's my point. Even the right wing is running from McCain. Maybe it is time to expand your horizons by looking to other media outlets besides fox news. Sorry if the truth hurts.
The right wing has NEVER been a big fan of McCain. Do you remember the primaries from 2000??
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Old 09-26-2008, 12:56 PM
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The right wing has NEVER been a big fan of McCain. Do you remember the primaries from 2004??
There was no Republican primary for president in 2004.

Try making up something else.
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Old 09-26-2008, 01:14 PM
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The right wing has NEVER been a big fan of McCain.
Seems a lot think this is for good reason.

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Do you remember the primaries from 2004??
I remember the Democratic primaries. There wasn't any Republican primaries in 2004.
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Old 09-26-2008, 01:16 PM
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There was no Republican primary for president in 2004.

Try making up something else.
I fixed it.

So do you remember the 2000 primaries?
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Old 09-26-2008, 01:18 PM
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Seems a lot think this is for good reason.



I remember the Democratic primaries. There wasn't any Republican primaries in 2004.
So you are siding with the right-wing members of the Republican Party?

ETA: I'm not going to debate this issue. So Will thinks he has a bad temperment. I really don't care. There is a long list of presidents that had bad tempers; John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Dwight Eisenhower and Lyndon Johnson.
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