Isn't she just great? McCain made a great choice didn't he? I'm sure he will make great choices for our country.

Did you know she has more executive experience than Senators McCain, Obama and Biden put together?

And, we wouldn't have to worry about her being attacked by witches!

I've heard her speak on TV interviews. Sounds like a VP to me, youbetcha!

Yeah. . .kinda like that Gore guy who invented the internet.

Did you know he was a dairy industry expert because he spent the night on a dairy farm once?

"I'm very familiar with the importance of dairy farming in Wisconsin. I've spent the night on a dairy farm here in Wisconsin. If I'm entrusted with the presidency, you'll have someone who is very familiar with what the Wisconsin dairy industry is all about."
(Sources: Sunday, June 18, Atlanta Journal Constitution and The Washington Post, June 14, 2000)

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Did you know that Al Gore never said that he invented the internet?
snopes.com: Al Gore Invented the Internet

Who is the dairy farm quote attributed to?

He said, "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet" during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN on March 9, 1999.

How do you take the initiative in creating something that has already been created?

And the Dairy quote. . .Washington Post, June 14, 2000.

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Did I miss Gore saying he was getting back into the race? If not, why is his name at all relevant? And, don't be hatin'. People here are talking about all the wonderful things about Gov. Palin.

Back to the subject .......

She is very photogenic and she gave her kids super cool names.

Yah, you know those democrats are all a bunch of dummies. Sarah Palin, now SHE is an intellectual. Have you seen her TV interviews? They are all on YouTube, very very impressive...

As a senator, Gore did introduce a bill to fund and develop the internet. That is not untrue and is pretty much exactly what he said.

All I could find on the dairy reference were a bunch of right wing blogs referring to it. It doesn't come up in a search of the Post.

The MSM did a good job of repeating whatever it was Rove told them.

I know this is a thread just to be nasty but I like her. She seems pretty real and down to earth to me. And she is more qualified than Obama to be president!

Thats why she's running for president right? LOL!

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You actually have to buy the article from the Post archives. You didn't notice that in your search?

It was this one though:
Gore Outlines Several Uses For Surplus
Washington Post, June 14, 2000.

And he didn't say he introduced a bill to develop the internet. He said, "I took the initiative in creating the Internet" So, no it is not exactly what he said.

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Nope, just pointing out that Gore was an idiot too.

So if you follow the same line of logic. . .Clinton was a great decision maker to select him as his VP.

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Nope, she's the VP. It would be Obama vs McCain. . . .but it's funner to make fun Palin than to talk about the real issues or the real contenders in this election.

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Not only is she attractive, she is uncommonly articulate as seen in her interview with Couric. And golly, who can't love a gal who can shoot a moose from a moving helicopter. And don't you all forget, it's her friends and constituents who are the first line of defense between us and Russia.

And to top it off, the last time I saw McCain and Palin together, he managed to spend the time not looking at her ass. Kudos to him for such willingness to change.

Well it's way funner than to look at posts titled "PROOF that the libs lied about Fanny & Freddy" or something about Truth Squads in Missouri, both of which don't seem terribly important right now, nor in the case of the Fanny, Freddy posting, terribly balanced. I have to say I haven't opened that thread because, being a lib and having never lied about Fanny or Freddy, I can't see the point in reading it. Obviously someone is attributing lies to me that I didn't commit, nor would I. Also most of us are argued out on Obama and McCain until one of them says something dumb. So yes, this is way funner.

No, she's the vice presidential candidate. Would you like me to find a link for you?
Just pointing out that "our" vice presidential candidate is actually more qualified than the Dems presidential candidate!

I'm sorry you don't find lies in the US Senate or strong arm tactics in supressing opposition in an election "terribly important right now."

That just gives me sooo much confidence in the American voter.

Btw. . .have you seen Barack Obama's ears?

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Now that was just rude!

And without accidentally shooting her friend in the face!

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Nothing was said about lies in the Senate. The subject listed "libs" and "lies" without any qualifier. And as I said, if you're going to call libs liers then I don't need to open the thread, because I didn't lie about F&F, nor do I intend to.

And I don't see any strong arming of anyone around here in MO and neither has it made the news if it's happened. Just as the McCain "Truth Squad" in, I think New Hampshire, probably didn't result in any either.

And you must have a very strange definition of "rude".

Maybe you should read the thread. . .there's lots of video of lying. Maybe she should have named the thread after the video:

Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

Would that make you feel better?

Nobody in NH went on the news with their job title posted under their name talking about McCain's Truth Squad. :cringe:

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Maybe not, but the Adjutant General of South Carolina was interviewed by the Washington Post about their "Truth Squad".

I doubt if the two MO prosecutors were allowed to determine whether their job titles were posted under their pictures. But even so, it's a big nothing. The crap continues to flow freely in our state, on both sides. No one seems to be intimidated yet.

Yah, the same Gore guy that served in the House and the Senate from 1977 on, until he was nominated for the VP position. Who also ran for President and nearly took the election. Yah, that guy.

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Boy that was a close call. Just think what trouble this country would be having right now had we put him in office.. whew!!! That was a close one.

Go Sarah! Go Sarah! Go Sarah!

I am so glad that she is going to have another interview with Katie Couric only this time she is bringing her "dad", Sen McCain. Sort of a do over, so she won;t make any real mistakes. Great that he has such confidence in her.

Actually, I feel sorry for her. It can't be easy to be thought of by most of America as "?". Even those in her party are telling her to step down.

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Go Sarah! Go Sarah! Yesssssss!

Stay Sarah! Stay Sarah! Us Democrats want you to stay!

Palin is a gift. Whether she is gift-wrapped in blue or red seems a matter of perspective.

My only concern right now is that she is perceived as so inept that she has to surpass the low bar set for her for Thursday's debate

On Gore inventing the internet, you do know that McCain's campaign has asserted that he invented the BlackBerry?

I'm sure that RIM, the Toronto-based company that makes the BlackBerry, thanks him. Indeed, I'm guessing that all of Canada thanks him.

Canada does border Alaska, so maybe Palin can use the fact to bolster her credentials in technology. "You know, Canada shares a border with Alaska, and everyday, someone in Canada uses a Blackberry. And John McCain invented the BlackBerry. I'm qualified to talk about issues relating to communications, because my state borders Canada."

LMAO! I never heard that one. At least McCain didn't say it himself. LOL!

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Yeah, I guffawed when I read that. I don't know that I have ever guffawed before. I've laughed. I've snickered. I've snorted. But I guffawed on this one.

Really, and this is totally off the point of the thread, McCain has tried to (IMHO) claim that he is responsible for the great strides in communication technology. This is from an admittedly biased blog, but I have fact checked it and it seems accurate, so I'm quoting it:

How John McCain Invented Cell Phones, WiFi And Blackberrys?? Huh?? Suzie-Q

This, of course, doesn't have a thing to do with whether Palin is qualified to be VP. Then neither did Gore's misconstrued statement that he was instrumental in passing initiatives that led to the development of the Internet.

But you opened the door, so I went in.

My whole point in bringing up Gore was to show how silly these kinds of line of thought are. There are plenty of reasons not to support Palin. . .pick a valid one. Candidates say all kinds of stupid things, as I think we have just shown.

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Yeah, I know. They are silly. I often question why campaigns make these hyperbolic claims, since they are so easy made into punchlines.

I've actually agreed with some things that you said on this thread, until this:

Here is where I screeched to a halt.

Gore wasn't an idiot. I don't know whether many people would label him such. I'd be interested in why you do. McCain isn't an idiot either, IMHO. He has arguably made some idiotic decisions. I don't agree with his positions. But I don't think he is an idiot. (OK, his choice of Palin did put this question in play, but I still think he isn't an idiot).

Palin, on the other hand, is in a class of her own. Maybe because it is in my interests, and I'm not denying my own self-interests come into play here, but I'd just like us to judge her on her own merits. Or lack of them. What does she bring to this ticket and why should anyone support this ticket because she is the VP nominee?

I see a few things in her favor, looking at it from a conservative view. She's conservative. Very conservative.

And in addition, she brings this to the ticket. . .

Hmmm.

OK, I'm thinking here.

She is a woman. It's a little stereotypical to think that this is good, but it's not BAD, right. And she is also bringing to the ticket the following benefits:

well, . . .

Uhmm . . .

Moreover . . .

Don't crowd me. I thinking:

. . . . .

Ok, I'm stumped beyond that. But I'm sure there are more points. Give me a break, I'm a liberal democrat. I can't be expected to make your arguments.

I think she seems like an entertaining woman. I'd love to have her at a party. This isn't a party, though.

Which makes me think of the Talking Heads, "Life in Wartime".

Just leave aside for a moment your opinions on Gore or Clinton. (Clinton was only brushed upon in this thread, but he does seem like the perennial bugaboo for Republicans).

On her own merits, what merit does Palin have?

Yeah, the same mr environmental who..for a photo op, had a dam opened during an extreme draught so he could be photographed on a river!

Maybe Gore isn't an idiot, but he sure made himself look like one many of times. Ok I take that back, I still think he's an idiot (hey, I tried).

What I like about Palin. . .

She's fiscally conservative.

I think she did a pretty good job in Alaska as govenor.

She's not a Washington insider.

She's a woman.

She's fairly young (for politics).

I think there are a lot of people in the US that feel she represents their lifestyle.

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Awesome points. I think the not being a Washington insider is GREAT!

Of course she is ready to be VP, she can see Russia from where she lives.

Why exactly? And why is it great when the VP doesn't have ties to Washington, but the presidential candidate does?

There is being an outsider, in the sense that you don't have ties to the Washington elite, and then there is being an outsider, in the sense of not even knowing what's happening.

What I found interesting about the list was how many people fell under its umbrella. She's a woman? Ok, that's about 50 percent of the population. Conservatively saying there are 300 million persons in the US population, there's 150,000,000 people right there in this demographic.

You say, Palin's young. Well, only about 12 percentage of the population is over age 65, and a smaller number are McCain's age. I'm going to be generous, and assume by "young," you mean under 65. So, let's reduce the available population of your demographic to 125,000,000.

(I'm not being specific with these numbers, in case anyone cares, In fact, I'm giving the breaks to the Republicans).

Well, whoops, McCain dropped out. But this is about Palin, right?

You say Palin is a fiscal conservative. That's kinda meaningless to me, but I'll give you it as a point. Let's say 1/2 of the population falls in this category.

So, now we are at more than 60,000,000.

Which leaves us with the defining point that she was a pretty good governor of Alaska. Jimmy Carter was a pretty good governor. Bill Clinton was a pretty good governor. Reagan was a pretty good governor.

Jesse Ventura was a pretty good governor.

It is meaningless, unless it is tied to something more specific.

Let's go totally out there and say that 1/2 of these folks would be pretty good govenors.

As it stands, at least 30,000,000 people are as equipped as Palin to be VP.

Nothing like aspiring to the best. Too bad that we can't even aspire to the competent.

I would concede to you everything. But it still doesn't make her qualified as VP.

Let's see you do this with Obama! For fun.

Frankly, that seems to me to be an answer of someone with nothing of substance to say.

If you want to do this for Obama, go ahead. "For fun."

Just be aware that the things that hamberg chose as items that she felt important aren't the same ones that I would chose for Obama. Because I don't care whether Obama is a man or a woman. I don't care whether he is young or old. I don't care about many of the points raised. I do care whether I think he could lead, and I don't think Palin could,

The point I was trying to make, and maybe this missed you, is that millions of people share the demographics that hamberg relied upon, and just because they share this demographic, it doesn't make them qualified.

When it comes to Palin, she is totally out of her depth. All demographics aside, her interview by Katie Couric was the single most uncomfortable that I have ever felt watching a member of a candidate from the opposing party. Just watch this clip and tell me, what is she bringing? YouTube - Jack Cafferty slams Sarah Palin!

I personally would rather that this whole thing concentrate on the candidates rather than their choice for VP. I do think that the Republicans brought this on themselves by hitching their star to their rock star, Sarah Palin. So much lurve, a few weeks ago. So much deflection today.

Personally, I think that Palin has to do better in the debates than she did in Katie Couric's interviews. Because no one could do worse.

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I guess I misunderstood your original question. I answered what I liked about her. . .not necessarily what she brings to the ticket. I would have to say that is mostly her fiscal conservatism. I do think being an outsider brings something. . .if nothing more than just balance.

What is it that the VP does that you don't think she will be able to do?

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Again....my point is missed completely.

They all say stupid stuff. All of them. Its is human nature. McCain, Obama, Palin, Biden -- all of them have said stupid crap on camera lately, which can equally be matched up with clips of Reagan, Daddy Bush, Quayle, Clinton, Gore, Hillary, etc, etc...and lets not foget that Ross Perot guy. Politicans say stupid stuff from time to time and media loves to loop it over and over and over again.

They all get in front of the cameras for photo ops -- that's where the old express "shake hands and kiss babies" comes from. They all go where the people are to throw out baseballs, to milk dairy cows, do interviews on shows like the View or Meet the Press, speak in college areans, and some even put on fighter pilot jumpsuits and land on an aircraft carrier. It's what they do. If they didn't get out there and meet the people, they would be critizied for not understanding and just living in an ivory tower.

The logic behind Gore, and many candidates prior to him was that he had a record of experience that made him qualified for the job. You cannot discredit serving as an elected public offical from 1977 in both the House and Senate.

So yes....Clinton was a great decision maker....at least he picked an idiot with some decent experience and not someone who needed to be protected from the media.

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I have to say Palin is making me a bit nervous. I really like what she stands for and I believe she will do fine though. I am anxious to see the debate.

But this is really where I stand with her, and I know that very few will agree, but this is my perspective.....

Sarah Palin, I believe, would have a hard time not being "real". She is who she is. I believe her, I believe in her. She may not have all the knowledge that some think that she needs, but I believe that she has something more, and that is her faith. She believes in and trusts in the God that I love. I think she relies on Him for guidance, and that is where her wisdom will come from. I believe that wisdom will carry her much farther than any knowledge she may lack at this point. I wish so badly that they had not "handled" her to the point that some of that got covered up. Let her be her. I think I'll be praying for her more.......

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ITA, mom. You said all of that very well.

I'd add something, though. What I see in her is someone with the courage to make decisions based on the most simple, basic elements of the issue at hand. I realize some issues are complicated and that you can't always shoot from the hip, but I believe we've had many years of the over-analysis that *is* politics. Nobody calls a spade a spade. Everybody is wheeling and back-door dealing and not only does *nothing* get done, but we're lulled into a sense of belief that because smart people are *talking* a lot about an issue that movement is taking place. Sometimes you just have to shut up and do something.

I see her as someone who probably has little patience for the posturing and the politics that keep things from simply getting done.

Do I wish she had more experience? Sure. Do I wish she was 54 instead of 46? Sure. But I'll take what I can get and hope that eight years of on the job training will be just what she needs to be ready for a presidential run in '16.

Man, oh man, oh man. Talk about living with low expectations. And gambling.

You do realize, don't you, that she could be president? You also realize that VP isn't a position designed for "on the job training"?

Dumb of me to really ask these questions. You are smart. You've made your choice. But really. Glad that the positions aren't reversed.

I do recognize that being VP has been treated as a negligible part of our process in some periods of our past. Certainly, Quayle was a dud. (By the way, where is the guy now?) It has been extremely influential during other modern day administrations, such as Gore and Cheney's influence during the administration of their presidents.

I hate the phrase "one heart beat from the presidency" because it seems so overwrought. But it is true. She's only one beat of the heart of a 72 year old man from being president.

I supposed that I should welcome the thought of someone like Palin, the "blank slate," being president if the Republican nominee would die. I don't though.

She spooks me out.

I don't know that you did misunderstand my question. I wanted to know why Palin was a good choice. You answered. I responded.

From my perspective, Palin is at very best, a "place marker." I don't whether this concept has general applicability, but in my world, it signifies something that marks the fact. It has no actual substance.

For example, let's say that it is important that I make it clear that I have done something at a particular time. I file a "place marker."

It has no substance. It just marks the place.

Palin, for me, is just marking the place. I think McCain wanted a woman. Well, check, he marked the place. McCain wanted a conservative. Another check. He marked the place.

But you asked what the VP does that she couldn't do. I guess that depends. It's a position that is highly defined by the president. I suspect that Palin has been coached in spelling "Potato" right.

Anything else, I don't see it. I don't think that anything more is being asked of her.

She's a woman. Place marker. She's young. Place marker.

She's just a place marker. And place markers don't have substance. She doesn't.

I'm sure that she'd fullfill the placemarker role just fine. So would Fighto, the wonder dog, assunming that she was female and young.

The same could be said of Obama
There are certainly much more qualified black men than Obama to become president

The Democrat party wanted:
a male check
A black male check
young check
liberal (most liberal) check
gives good speeches check
people follow him like a messiah check

I also think of Obama as a place marker...no "real" substance.

I think whether you like her or dislike her she's made a huge difference in this campaign.
It's talked about more than any campaign I know of, at the kitchen tables, at the office, even at the grocery store. Politics are even discussed at my house, now that's a first. I've researched both candidates and their VP choices, I know over half the Senators (what they have and haven't voted for), a lot more about the world leaders, and quite a bit more about the issues that are important to all of us and those that we could do without. I feel because of her a lot of us have taken more interest in this campaign.
I think she smart, she didn't get where she is by being stupid. She's got looks, brains and heart and for a politician, its something we're probably not used to. I think they held her back; tried to change and mold her and that made her come across wrong. She's had to cram a lot of stuff in a very short amount of time. I personally think she's doing pretty well, we all know they're a lot of sharks out there in them waters.

And do you realize that being President of the United States isn't designed for 'on the job training' either? That is what we'll get if Obama becomes our next president. Now THAT is scary -- 'on the job training for the President'.

I'll bet that I could have a good conversation with Palin about sports. I'll bet she could her own on that topic because it interests her. The reason she cannot answer coherently on any foreign policy issue is that it simply hasn't interested her. I don't think that Palin is at all stupid. She's probably quite smart and is not without political skill. She just hasn't had any interest in foreign policy. She is dragging down the ticket.

Obama beat McCain in the debates on foreign policy because he knows the subject matter better than his opponent. He has the background, knowledge and wisdom to be President.

At this point in time. Obama looks like a sure winner.

Everyone except someone who has been president of the US before will have to have on the job training. No one is born knowing how to be president.