For those who are interested in what the MS media refuses to investigate you might be very interested in this....
Politically Drunk On Power!: Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996

http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com...socialist.html

"Two weeks ago at RedState, we documented Obama’s 1996 endorsement by the New Party. A review of the New Party establishes that not only was the party an amalgamation of far left groups, but Barack Obama knew that when he sought the party’s endorsement."
Obama and the New Party - HUMAN EVENTS

What you have here is an endorsement and nothing more. See, you guys like Human Events, don't you?

If I was running for office, I would want everyone to vote for me!

Hmmm... it's more to it than Obama wants people to believe. He was a member of the New Party before it dissolved because of a court ruling.

The DSA and 'New Party' then systematically attempted to cover up any ties between Obama and the Socialist Organizations. However, it now appears that Barack Obama was indeed a certified and acknowledged member of the DSA's New Party.

On Tuesday, I discovered a web page that had been scrubbed from the New Party's website. The web page which was published in October 1996, was an internet newsletter update on that years congressional races. Although the web page was deleted from the New Party's website, the non-profit Internet Archive Organization had archived the page.

From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

Link To The New Party Update

Beyond the archived web page from the Socialist New Party is the recognition by the "Progressive Populist" magazine in November 1996 that Obama was indeed an acknowledged member of the Socialist Party.

"New Party members and supported candidates won 16 of 23 races, including an at-large race for the Little Rock, Ark., City Council, a seat on the county board for Little Rock and the school board for Prince George's County, Md. Chicago is sending the first New Party member to Congress, as Danny Davis, who ran as a Democrat, won an overwhelming 85% victory. New Party member Barack Obama was uncontested for a State Senate seat from Chicago. "

Link To The November 1996 Progressive Populist Article

The Democratic Socialist Party of America published in their July/August Edition of New Ground 47 Newsletter.

"The Chicago New Party is increasely becoming a viable political organization that can make a different in Chicago politics. It is crucial for a political organization to have a solid infrastructure and visible results in its political program. The New Party has continued to solidify this base...

the NP's '96 Political Program has been enormously successful with 3 of 4 endorsed candidates winning electoral primaries. All four candidates attended the NP membership meeting on April 11th to express their gratitude. Danny Davis, winner in the 7th Congressional District, invited NPers to join his Campaign Steering Committee. Patricia Martin, who won the race for Judge in 7th Subcircuit Court, explained that due to the NP she was able to network and get experienced advice from progressives like Davis. Barack Obama, victor in the 13th State Senate District, encouraged NPers to join in his task forces on Voter Education and Voter Registration."

I do not for a minute believe that Obama was a member of the "New Party." This is just another internet smear.

Lots of questionable voter registration tactics in the Obama "circle" I think..... ACORN had some questionable voter registration things come up, too, didn't they???


The Obama College Try by Michael I. Krauss on National Review Online

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Acorn has been sued more than once for fraudulent registrations. However, encouraging people to vote is not a bad thing.

Desperate righty propaganda. Yaaawnnnnn

Did you read the article? I agree, encouraging people to vote is not a bad thing, but, I do have a problem with the manner in which they were trying to sway "where" a person votes.

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I haven't read the article. I didn't even read all of the posts on this thread.

But I have given money to organizations which push my point but which, in retrospect, don't really capture my position.

Lets take the ACLU. I don't think that they represent me. I do agree with their philosophy supporting the right to freedom of speech, but I don't agree with some of their positions in individual matters.

Honestly, it is hard for me to think of an organization that reflects all of my personal positions. So, I give money to organizations that represent, for better or worse, my position on the larger issue, even when how they execute that position leaves something to be desired.

I can't imagine it is different for Republicans. Let's just take the fact that many of you support McCain. He isn't a pure ideologue Republican. Many Republicans are frothing at the mouth about him. But they'll vote for him.

Does that mean that they are subscribing to everything he says? Absolutely not.

So, give those of us who subscribe to a piece of the larger picture credit that we are only subscribing to a piece. It may be an important piece, but it is only a piece.

Interesting.

New Ground 42 - Chicago Democratic Socialists of America
September - October, 1995 newsletter

"Chicago New Party Update

by Bruce Bentley

About 50 activists attended the Chicago New Party membership meeting in July. The purpose of the meeting was to update members on local activities and to hear appeals for NP support from four potential political candidates. The NP is being very active in organization building and politics. There are 300 members in Chicago. In order to build an organizational and financial base the NP is sponsoring house parties. Locally it has been successful both fiscally and in building a grassroots base. Nationwide it has resulted in 1000 people committed to monthly contributions. The NP's political strategy is to support progressive candidates in elections only if they have a concrete chance to "win". This has resulted in a winning ratio of 77 of 110 elections. Candidates must be approved via a NP political committee. Once approved, candidates must sign a contract with the NP. The contract mandates that they must have a visible and active relationship with the NP.

The political entourage included Alderman Michael Chandler, William Delgado, chief of staff for State Rep Miguel del Valle, and spokespersons for State Sen. Alice Palmer, Sonya Sanchez, chief of staff for State Sen. Jesse Garcia, who is running for State Rep in Garcia's District; and Barack Obama, chief of staff for State Sen. Alice Palmer. Obama is running for Palmer's vacant seat.

Michael Chandler thanked the NP for its support in his electoral victory. His achievements to date included obtaining an increase of 30 police in the 24th Ward, citizen involvement in street clean-up and establishment of a 24th Ward Organization. William Delgado is exploring whether to run for State Rep in the 3rd District. He is a former social worker and spoke with compassion and dynamism. He considers himself a community activist who wants to be an advocate for change in the community. His presence in political office would be a benefit to the democratic left.

Indeed it was an exciting evening because the NP has two crucial components. First, the NP is a true "Rainbow Coalition" consisting of both young and aged African-Americans, Hispanics and Caucasians. Although ACORN and SEIU Local 880 were the harbingers of the NP there was a strong presence of CoC and DSA (15% DSA). Moreover a good 8% were younger Generation X'ers who are critically needed. A more diverse representation of Labor is missing. Secondly, the NP is taking "action." Four political candidates were "there" seeking NP support. The NP is strategically organizing via house parties and tactically entering only elections that they can win. Furthermore they are organizing a campaign on the "Living Wage Ordinance" in the Chicago City Council."

But paying people to register voters is.

ETA: ACORN was raided by the feds today:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/30613864.html

State authorities on Tuesday raided an organization that registers low-income people to vote, alleging that its canvassers falsified forms with bogus names, fake addresses or famous personalities.

The secretary of state's office launched an investigation after noticing that names did not match addresses and that most members of the Dallas Cowboys appeared to be registering in Nevada to vote in November's general election.

"Some of these (forms) were facially fraudulent; we basically had the starting lineup for the Dallas Cowboys," Secretary of State Ross Miller said. "Tony Romo is not registered to vote in Nevada. Anyone trying to pose as Terrell Owens won't be able to cast a ballot."

Agents with the secretary of state and state attorney general offices served a search warrant on the headquarters of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, at 953 E. Sahara Ave. shortly after 9 a.m. They seized voter registration forms and computer databases to determine how many fake forms were submitted and identify employees who were responsible.

They also sought information regarding current and past employees and managers.

"We don't know how many (falsified forms) are here; there may be two, or there may be thousands," said Bob Walsh, spokesman for the secretary of state's office.

Registration fraud typically stems from workers striving to meet their daily quota of submitted voter forms, Miller said.

Most organizations require their workers to sign up 20 voters a day. Fraudulent forms start filtering in when workers struggle to meet their quota and either fill in bogus names or accept documents with names that are clearly falsified, Miller said.

In a statement released by ACORN on Tuesday, Interim Chief Organizer Bertha Lewis said the group based in Clark County routinely flagged suspect applications and notified the Clark County Election Department. The group provided state and county officials with the names of individuals who submitted the falsified registration forms.

"Election officials routinely ignored this information and failed to act," Lewis said. "ACORN pleaded with them to take our concerns about fraudulent applications seriously."

In late July, election officials requested copies of the same documents that previously had been handed over by ACORN, Lewis said. In September, ACORN received a subpoena requesting information on 15 employees, whose names already had been turned in to election officials by the organization.

"Today's raid by the secretary of state's office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than to discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls," Lewis said.

Miller said that is not the case. He said the state's investigation began before ACORN submitted the forms referred to in Lewis' statement. In early July, investigators began looking through ACORN's registration forms. One canvasser turned in 17 applications; only four addresses existed, the investigators alleged.

According to an affidavit filed by the secretary of state, the canvasser was interviewed and told investigators that meeting the daily quota was difficult because it was hot outside and potential voters rejected her invitation to register.

Other canvassers hired by ACORN were residents at the Casa Grande Transitional Housing Facility, a Nevada Department of Corrections institution that offers convicted felons an opportunity to take part in work-release programs.

"It raises significant concerns that they hired prison inmates, some of whom have been convicted of identity theft," Miller said.

ACORN's field director in Nevada and the head of its voter registration effort, known as Project Vote, said the agency is cooperating fully with the investigation.

"We're proud of what we did here," Chris Edwards said. "We've got nothing to hide."

Tuesday morning's raid came on a day when ACORN had been planning a news conference and potluck lunch to celebrate the culmination of its voter registration drive, which the group said resulted in 90,000 new registrants since February, and to launch a get-out-the-vote push for the election.

The event went ahead around noon, starting with a pep talk of the group's staffers and volunteers, who stood to testify to the mission of the enterprise and who said they would remain undaunted.

"This is a great organization," Bonnie Smith-Greathouse, head organizer for Nevada ACORN, told a group of about 15 gathered in front of the organization's office. "We've done great things in the community, and we're going to do even greater things in the future."

Smith-Greathouse suggested that powerful interests were trying to squelch the voices of the poor that ACORN is trying to empower.

"Project Vote has been attacked all over the country because we registered at least 1.2 million voters," she said. "That could sway an election. You should be very proud. Something so significant in history has never happened in Nevada before."

Edwards stressed the mission of empowering those on society's lower rungs. "We don't go to Trader Joe's to register voters," he said. "We don't go to Macy's or Whole Foods. We sign people up to vote at welfare offices. We sign people up at post offices in poor neighborhoods."

ACORN's voter registration drive has consisted of recruiting people from off the street, many of them down-and-outers desperate for work, with the promise of $8 an hour for often grueling work. The canvassers were required to be on their feet, flagging down potential registrants, often in the 100-plus-degree heat of the Las Vegas summer.

Although they were not paid a set fee per registration form collected, which is illegal, they had to meet certain quotas of registrations each day, which is legal.

Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax, who has been speaking out about the fraudulent submissions and passing them along to the secretary of state's office for months, said under those circumstances, there was an obvious temptation for workers to duck into an air-conditioned library, for example, and start copying out of the phone book or off a sports roster.

"Anybody who decides they're going to pay people to go out and register voters is basically opening themselves up to that," he said. Lomax said he did not think there was a systematic attempt to submit phony forms.

Once turned in, the voter registration forms are subject to a verification process by Lomax's office.

People whose forms listed phony or business addresses would have been sent a letter advising them they would be voided if they didn't respond within 15 days. People who didn't list a driver's license or Social Security number that matched their name and address would be flagged on the voter rolls and required to bring photo identification to the polls to be allowed to vote.

Because of the safeguards, Lomax said he was confident no one will vote who shouldn't be allowed. "People don't need to fear for the integrity of this election," he said.

ACORN said it had a quality-control operation of its own in place to check registration forms before they were turned in. Joe Camp, who was in charge of the effort, said he would call the phone number the registrant had listed and ask whether the information on the form was correct.

"To my standards, to ACORN's standards, everything that was turned in to the Board of Elections was legitimate," said Camp, a 28-year-old Las Vegan who said he previously worked as a real-estate appraiser.

Lomax said he has seen some evidence of quality control on ACORN's part this year. The registration forms legally cannot be discarded or destroyed, and some would be turned in with a note saying that they appeared to be fraudulent and that the canvasser had been fired, but that was "by no means the majority" of the suspect forms, Lomax said.

ACORN is a nonpartisan organization, but it is affiliated with a political action committee that has endorsed Democrat Barack Obama in the presidential election. The Nevada authorities spearheading the investigation, Miller and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, are both Democrats.

Obama's work as a community organizer in Chicago in the early 1990s was with Project Vote, but his campaign said it was not affiliated with ACORN at the time. Obama also was part of a team of lawyers representing ACORN in 1995 in a lawsuit that accused the state of Illinois of putting up barriers to poor people trying to register.

A spokeswoman for Obama's campaign would not comment on his past ties to the group but said the work ACORN is now engaged in is separate from the campaign.

"The Obama campaign is not affiliated with nor do we work with ACORN," Kirsten Searer said. "We have our own, separate voter registration campaign."

Republicans seized on the news of Tuesday's raid. The Clark County Republican Party issued a statement condemning voter fraud and calling for full prosecution of anyone responsible.

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ACORN's other major activity is housing aid, for which it is eligible for federal grants from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under newly enacted affordable-housing provisions.

Nevada Sen. John Ensign, a Republican, on Tuesday called for the suspension of the affordable housing funds because they might be going to "controversial groups like ACORN."

Nevada Gov. Jim Gibbons, also a Republican, said the ACORN problem was evidence Nevada needs a law requiring voters to present photo identification at the polls. Assembly Minority Leader Heidi Gansert, R-Reno, has proposed such a bill to be considered by the 2009 Legislature.

In the interim, Miller urged residents who registered with third parties to check the Nevada secretary of state's Web site to reaffirm their voting status. The deadline to register for the November election is Oct. 14. New registrations must be submitted in person at the Clark County Government Center or the Clark County Election Department.


The Dallas Cowboys. . .lol!

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

There is nothing wrong with hiring people to register new voters. There is something wrong with setting quotas and having your job dependent on those quotas. Also, these registration forms, whether they are filled out correctly or not, have to be turned in. It is up to the registrar to check for accuracy. It's why we have a system of checks and balances.

Overall. this is an excellent effort to register new voters. Democracies do not work very well when few take part. Yes, they have had problems. Some of the canvassers actually cheated. The fact that they hired people who were down and out or felons is not a bad thing at all. These people needed jobs.

If you had him on video with the Socialist NEw party...Libs wont believe it....They believe only what they want...The Messiah is perfect...havent you gotten that yet???? Everything on the internet is a smear against him and everything on the liberal news and liberal internet sites about McCain and Palin are 100% the truth...when you understand this, you will understand this campaign much more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOLL Sherri

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I'm confused. Are you being ironic or sincere?

Dannyboy I would not say sincere and to ask if you were gay, that was totally totally uncalled for and no one business.So sorry someone asked you that question... Peace Catherine

First off, in the last 2 elections, Republicans have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they will lie, cheat and steal. They do not know the meaning of the word low. Whatever information Republicans proffer, I, along with many others, will treat with extreme skepticism whatever allegations are made.

So far, in all the information that has been offered on this Socialist "New" Party, there is not one shred of evidence that Obama was ever a member, None. The only credible evidence offered was that this rather benign and minor party enthusiastically supported his candidacy. Compare that to the fact that Sarah Palin's husband was a member of a party that is founded on hate for America and wishes to secede. Compare that to the fact that Sarah Palin adressed their convention (on tape) with words of encouragement. She actually said, "Keep up the good work."

Obama is nothing more than a man. You cannot argue that he is "Joe Sex Pack", but, I do not want Joe to be president. The current Joe six pack we have as president has been an unequivical disaster. Obama is an example of an American success story. He came from humble beginnings and made something of himself. He's intelligent and well educated. His policies show that. The GOP revels in anti-intellectualism and exploits ignorance.

So far, the right has tried to smear Obama as being a secret Muslim, a person who follows black separation theology, and, now, a terrorist sympathizer. The right has also alleged that Obama was not born in this country, renounced his citizenship, was born in Kenya, was born in Canada.

There you have it.

There is evidence he was a member. Have you not read where the minutes of the meetings in which it states "member Barack Obama". There are at least 2 or 3 references to where he is named as a member. We've posted them on this thread. Read them.

Guess you pick and choose what you want to read.

People had better be looking at what Obama is. He pops up four years ago and now he's in line to be the next president. That is scary. There's just too many ties to organizations and groups he's alligned to that are up to no good. He and his croonies just say the magic word that 'it's not true' and the media backs off.

If it were McCain/Palin with his background and 'social' ties, you'd better believe it would be front page news every single day.

Obama has the media eating out of his hand like a bunch of dogs.

McCain and Palin have plenty of radical ties. McCain is an avowed friend of G. Gordon Liddy, unrepentant domestic terrorist. He also spent his birthday on a yacht with Raffaello Follieri, convicted for wire fraud, money laundering and conspiracy. McCain also hangs around with Sarah Palin who was judged guilty of abusing the power of her office as governor.

Palin is married to a man who was a member of a radical separatist group which professes its hate for America. (A little stronger than a social relationship, no?) She also addressed their convention saying, "Keep up the good work!" She also holds some radical religious beliefs. She's been blessed by a witch doctor.

These ties are scary. What could their hidden agenda be? What are they plotting to do the USA? And, why aren't these questionable relationships in the news every day?

Encouraging uninformed people to vote is a bad thing.

I am being sarcastic....but I really get so sick of the liberal media praising Obama all the time and putting McCain down....something comes up about Obama that isnt good for his campaign, they ignore it...Then they turn around and make fun of McCain because of his disabilities...its a shame...the media is so bias....I dont even watch it anymore...Sherri

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Exactly what I mean....it doesnt matter what evidence is there, they ignore it.....and some how twist it, so that the Republicans are lying and the Messiah is PERFECT!!!!!!!!! PUKE!!! Sherri

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Power Line: Barack Obama, Socialist? Part II

click on the picture to enlarge it on the site above. This information was first posted on a New Zealand web site ..of course our US major media nothing??

No matter what you say McCain and Palin will only bring our country into more dispair, Have we not as Americns have enough already. I want to puke as well to the thought of them running our country. Again loud and clear time for huge major change. And that way of change will happen when Obama and Biden step in and lead our great nation and be there for the middle class and lower class. Bush and Cheney made so much money off our country its a total shame. In my book Bush goes down as being on of the worst, worst presidents ever.....Catherine

A lot of Republicans vote in every election. They should stay home?

Show me a registration form with his signature on it. Otherwise, you have nothing whatsoever that qualifies as proof.

The media has made FUN of McCains' disabilities? Where? I have never seen any of it. I would like to see where they have. I am sure you have proof of this, right?

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Oh sorry..that would be OBAMA that did that, with his commercial on not using the internet....

We, in the reality based community, are aware that McCain in unable to raise his arms above his shoulder because of injuries during the Vietnam War. We do not understand how being unable to raise one's arms above one's shoulder prevents somebody from using a computer. In the reality based community, we have seen photographs of McCain using both a cell phone and a blackberry for which the physical requirements are similar.

We do not see the ad you referenced as anything other than McCain is not technologically current. He did say that Cindy was trying to teach him to use email. Is she unaware of the impossibility?

Please explain to us how McCain's injuries impair his ability to use a computer.

Now see, I saw this as referencing McCain not being able to use a computer for the same reason my mother "can't"use the computer. She believes her age prevents her from using it as in she is too old to learn about the new fangled things. Had nothing to do with his disablilities. I was not aware that he couldn't use the computer because of his arms. How exactly does that work? You don't hold the computer above your head.

John McCain receives disability so it is probablity listed in his medical records.

Update: John McCain disabilities, injuries and emails. Calling on Sen. Obama’s campaign to pull this very, very rude ad. Mcnorman’s Weblog

"Eight years ago the Boston Globe wrote about John McCain’s war injuries.

McCain gets emotional at the mention of military families needing food stamps or veterans lacking health care. The outrage comes from inside: McCain’s severe war injuries prevent him from combing his hair, typing on a keyboard, or tying his shoes."

ETA: link from the Boston Globe 3/4/2000 article
http://graphics.boston.com/news/poli...a_fault+.shtml

Don't go confusing them with facts! It's really because he's old!

Even Biden said he didn't approve of that message!

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Is it time to vote yet?

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You don't have to type on a keyboard to use a computer. There's a lot of equipment out there for people with disabilities. I have a friend who can't use a keyboard and he's a writer in the software industry. I've never seen McCain with uncombed hair or untied shoes, so I think he just doesn't want to learn how to use a computer.

Honestly, what does his using the internet have to do with being president??? I don't care if Obama can use the computer, really.

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Pathetic.....people never cease to amaze me.....Its really sickens me how some one can try to find humor in a man's physical disablities because of being a POW for 5 years....He deserves respect just for his service and nothing more. I mean if you have no respect for the man or what he stands for...Could you at least have the decency to respect his service to this country????? Would that be too much to ask???And as for his hair and shoes, I have read numerous articles where someone ties his shoes and of course combs his hair.....Your sarcasm is sickening...Sherri

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Now, I don't know the specifics of his injuries and disabilities, but.....you'd be surprised at what is required to adequately and accurately use a computer. Even w/ a perfectly ergonomically correct workstation, you are still subject to overuse and static positioning--both of which can, at best be uncomfortable and worse can be debiliatating. I'm assuming since he can't tie his shoes or comb his hair he has some pretty significant limits on his range of motion. I also have to assume that his upper extremities are severely weakened which makes him much more prone to overuse type symptoms, and maintaining a static type position could be very painful. While using a keyboard does not cause carpal tunnel syndrome---it can certainly aggravate an underlying condition.

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Youre right, Sher, people never cease to amaze me either. I never said anything about his service to his country, I never said I didn't have respect for what he stands for. You are so ready to take offense to anything anyone says about anything you never cease to amaze me.

I asked a simple question about how his disability affected his use of the computer. I didn't say anything about humor in his physcial disablities. You came to that conclusion on your very own. When you keep seeing something that isn't there, usually it means that you have that very thought in your own mind. Shame.

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[You don't hold the computer above your head] SO was that supposed to be a real question?????? I think not.....sarcasm...pure sarcasm.....Sherri

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No, this is what sarcasm is.........Thanks for the information.

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Not me!!!!

If I was running for office and NAMBLA endorsed me (you know, those lovely man boy love freaks). . .I would stand up and say that I didn't want their endorsement, because they don't stand for ANYTHING I believe in! If the KKK, Aryan Nation, Nation of Islam or Al Queda endorsed me. . .nope! Not accepting those! I can't un-endorse them, BUT I can't idly stand by and get votes from people I don't support. . . .PLEASE DON'T VOTE FOR ME. . . .I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR ENDORSEMENT!!!! The fact that Obama accepted this endorsement and apparently actively seeked it out. . .he can't go back on it now. He must have thought their views were okie dokie. Either he is a power hungry politicain that will accept endoresments from anybody or he supports their views, which are not very popular with a lot of voters. You can't have it both ways! So which is it?! He's an unscrupulous politician or he's a socialist.

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I don't think anybody here is arguing that. I think the frustration is with the Obama supporters that seem to think that nothing questionable about him matters. Sure it does! If you are ok with his socialist ties, then fine. . .BUT a lot of people aren't. Accept that! Not everybody is going to agree on everything. . .we all have our different views. I don't completely supposrt McCain on everything. But I voted for Perot, I voted for Nader more times than I'd like to admit. I'm tired of throwing away my vote on good people that nobody else seems to get. I've resolved myself to the stinking two party system and will be voting for the less of two evils. . .as I see it.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Just so it's clear, we aren't talking about an endorsement from NAMBLA, the KKK, the Aryan Nation or others along this line, are we? I think that the KKK has made its position clear:

I'm guessing that they are voting for McCain. But I wouldn't discredit McCain for this. It's not his fault that some of his supporters are insane.

More to the point, McCain has touted endorsements from Ayers associates, even as he condemns Obama for serving on the board with him. Recently, McCain put out of 100 former ambassadors who backed him. Keep it in mind that this is a list of ambassadors that McCain's campaign has touted as supporting him. He advertised them.

McCain Trumpets Endorsement From Figure Of Foundation That Established Ayers Board

He has received other endorsements in this election (emphasis on THIS ELECTION) that would give anyone pause if they thought it mattered.

He received the following endorsement:

Think Progress McCain Courts Secret Radical Religious Conservative Group For Support In Presidential Bid

So, apparently, it is bad if you are on a board with Ayers, unless you list someone in your top 100 because she is a supporter. It's bad if you are associated with a religious bigot, unless you are "honored" if he is bigoted in your favor.

Dannyboy

I used those organizations to illustrate my point. Most of us can agree that an endorsement from one of those would be bad. Some people see Obama's accepting this endorsement (and apparently joining) this New Party as bad. if he doesn't agree with their politics then he sholdn't have gleefully accepted their endorsement.

Just as McCain can be judged on his endorsements. Obama isn't off limits from being scrutinized. Did McCain join any of these groups? Are they purely political groups?

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

You have no proof that Obama joined this group. But, why should that matter? You know it's true.

Obama has been politically ambitious for most of his life. If someone has the desire to be president, one doesn't join an itty bitty splinter group. He most assuredly should have accepted their endorsement. Why would he not want their votes?

From the October 1996 Update of the DSA 'New Party':
"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races...

Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."


If you'd read the posts, you'd see these. These are from the archieves. It says (which I've highlighted in BOLD) NP members Barack Obama.

Deny, deny, deny. I guess if the democrats say it enough, they'll start to believe it!

They chose candidates to support. Obama was one of them. It's proof of absolutely nothing other than that they supported him.

I would rather deal with facts.

Try reading the links.

The New Party was not a splinter group. . .it operated under the theory of fusion:

Joel Rogers sought to use the idea of “fusion” as a way to get the New Party into power.

Fusion is a pretty simple concept. A candidate could run as both a Democrat and a New Party member to signal the candidate was, in fact, a left-leaning candidate, or at least not a center-left DLC type candidate. If the candidate -- let’s call him Barack Obama -- received only 500 votes in the Democratic Party against another candidate who received 1000 votes, Obama would clearly not be the nominee. But, if Obama also received 600 votes from the New Party, Obama’s New Party votes and Democratic votes would be fused. He would be the Democratic nominee with 1100 votes.

The fusion idea set off a number of third parties, but the New Party was probably the most successful. A March 22, 1998 In These Times article by John Nichols showed just how successful. “After six years, the party has built what is arguably the most sophisticated left-leaning political operation the country has seen since the decline of the Farmer-Labor, Progressive and Non-Partisan League groupings of the early part of the century …. In 1996, it helped Chicago’s Danny Davis, a New Party member, win a Democratic congressional primary, thereby assuring his election in the majority-black district …. The threat of losing New Party support, or of the New Party running its own candidates against conservative Democrats, would begin a process of forcing the political process to the left, [Joel] Rogers argued.”

And as far as him joining the New Party:

The New Party required candidates who received the endorsement sign a pledge of support for the party.

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