YouTube - The Sidewalk to Nowhere, McCain Supporters in Bethlehem, PA

Mccain and Palin are really doing a good job! At thier rallies people are screaming kill him off with his head and they just smile WTH? Mccain supporters do you feel like they have crossed the line?

Can't say they heard what the crowd said.

I'm on a Board of Directors, with everybody shouting at times you can't hear the one taking, or even yelling the loudest.

I give them he benefit of doubt. Like the journalist say, at the begining of these rallies people should be told that that type is not permitted.

If we are judging people by the company they keep, I wouldn't vote for John McCain ever. These people are the most ignorant people I have seen for a while. They give Penn people a black eye and for the most part give Republicans a black eye. I would be ashamed to be considered a part of them.

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Well, let's not leave out Obama's faithful followers: Talk about IGNORANT !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1EKBsPedo

Note that in this above video, one of the people FLAT OUT says she is voting for him because he's black. But, surely, she's not a racist, because we all know, only white people are racist.

YouTube - Pt. 2 Barack Obama Supporters Unleashed!

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I seen a few times that they would scream kill him and they would show Palin smirking. It could be the way they edit....it just not something you would not expect to hear at a rally for a person this close to becoming thee President of the United States.

You posting that is like me posting the one with the drunk woman saying she is voting for Mccain. These people are at the rallies screaming KILL HIM & OFF WITH HIS HEAD and Palin and Mccain say nothing!Was Obama thier with the people talking NO.

First off they have tons of security people at these and if someone was acting like that they would escort them to the nearest jail or far away. Second if you are really that stupid to believe that it is NOT edited in there by some computer geek who doesn't like one of the two running you are more igornat than the person who posted that online. Third if it did happen for real don't you think it would be plasted all over the news??? Think about the last one. CNN loves crap like that and so does all the radio talk shows and amazingly I haven't heard a thing about and and no one that I speak to has either.

Posting on U tube is like watching Saturday Night Live. and saying that is the news for the world............it's all fake and funny.

Rolling eyes.

What's scary is you really think that's real.

No one said that only white people are racist. I never said that nor have I heard that. The fact that this one woman says she is only voting because he is black is different than someone saying that they WON'T for him because he is black. Both suggest terrible judgement. But I think if the woman said she won't vote for McCain because he is white, that would be racist. This woman is exhibiting terrible judgement because she is voting for someone because of his race whereas I see a difference and don't call it racist. Now again, if she said she is voting against McCain because he is white and she won't vote for white people, that is racist.

If I said I am voting for the Democratic candidate because he is a democrat, no matter what the issues are, that isn't considered bigotted, is it?

It is ignorant, yes. But I believe that if at a Democratic rally, the crowd was screaming treason and kill him as I have seen and heard on the national news stations, I would think that the candidates should/would stop the chatter. Palin did not. She continued on and to say nothing is to agree.

I stand by my original statement.....those people in PA are ignorant.

Am that stupid NO? Mccain has not made a statement that he does not condone the outburst...they stand on the stage with thier evil smug smile....You watch Fox? It has been posted all over the news it was on Hardball CNN all my local channels have shown it. You need to get out from under the rock you been hiding under if you have not heard about this yet...and you ask me if I am stupid?Take off your rose colored glasses and look!

McCain's Ayers Attacks Backfire - Yahoo! News

How is it different??? They are still basing there vote strictly on skin color. She even pointed to her own skin (she's a black woman). If I said I was voting for McCain because he's white you'd be all over me calling me racist. Why is it different in this situation? I really don't get it.

And, for ignorant, it is running quite rampant right now. Did you also see the woman in the video saying there is no difference in paying for high gas and paying more taxes to fund a socialist health care plan??? And, gas prices are falling quite nicely now, where is the "kudos" to George Bush, since they were so happy and fast to blame him when the prices started to rise.

Back to the race issue......if someone is voting for person A over person B they are voting AGAINST person B. To then say they are voting for person A, hence AGAINST person B, because he is black like her, that is clearly racist in my book.

Also, can someone please point me to the time frame on the original post's YouTube video that shows people screaming "kill him" and "off with his head" and then McCain and Palin smiling?? I have watched that video twice, and have yet to see it.

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AFP: Inflammatory Republican rallies raise concern
In Fla., Palin Goes for the Rough Stuff as Audience Boos Obama | The Trail | washingtonpost.com
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How close are McCain/Palin rallies getting to full on hate mongering? - Yahoo! Answers

I could go on and on and on...

I rather think that both McCain and Bible Spice are inciting violence. I do not think that racism is an issue here. I think through their speeches and their vacuous implications of ties to terrorism ect. that they are deliberately trying to enrage their base. As they fall farther and farther and behind, they have become more desperate and are willing to stoop as low as possible.

Consider this statement from the widow of Yitzhak Rabin, Hours after Rabin's state funeral, Leah told an Israeli television interviewer: "There definitely was incitement which was strongly absorbed and which found itself a murderer, who did this because he had the support of a broad public." Earlier, when Rabin's coffin was lying in state, she frostily told an opposition leader who came to pay his respects, "It's too late."
Obituary: Leah Rabin | Independent, The (London) | Find Articles at BNET

Thank you.....it is scary that people this high up in government are acting like bullies and are getting people in a frenzy....Obama just said we need somebody to unite this country not divide it......

Somebody posted that it is scary that I believe this. It is more scary that you dont see it.

No, I wouldn't be all over you. I would be if you said you were only voting for McCain because he is white and Obama is black. I don't just willy nilly call people racist and if you would look at my posts you would see that.

I don't see people voting for someone as being "against" someone else. I see people voting because their vote is based on a platform more in tune to their beliefs.

Added: If that woman is only voting for Obama because she and he are black is not indicative of how she feels about white people any more than her voting for Bush or Kennedy before. There is a black candidate and that is who she is voting for. She didn't say, she was not going to vote for McCain because he was white or did she? I didn't see the video in question.

Gas prices are falling because the economy of the world is in shambles. The reason why the spike was so high a few months ago the oil companies needed money to finiance thier work for alternate fuel source. Of course they could not use thier big bonus for that. So they over inflated the price got thier money for thier research and prices started to fall again.

What I was saying about the editing before was, when you hear the people screaming kill him and off with his head, they would show Mccain & Palin smirking.

Gee, and here I thought it was due to the oil speculators

Do you have sources to back up this claim?

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I agree with you. The oil companies have done little to explore alternative fuels. Although speculators have played their part in driving up oil prices, the bulk of the increase in cost is due to the declining value of the dollar.

It really is frightening how violent some of these people are. I spoke with my normally very calm neighbor and was shocked by her fury about the election. An article I read, that I think someone posted a link to, described it as "a sense of grievance spilling into rage". I asked her if she would accept Obama as her President and show the respect due the office, as Democrats were told so often to do after Bush was awarded the Presidency. She answered with a resounding NO. That shoe's not so comfy when it's on the other foot.

I think the Conservatives really bought that "mandate" crap in 2000 and thought they were going to regain control of the country and show all us liberal Clinton-lovers how it should be done, with their 'family values' and return to 'small-town' anti-intellectual sentiments. Now, despite the total cock-up of the last 8 years, they can't believe that the country doesn't still think they're right. Where's their mandate now? I'm pretty sure it's in the toilet, swirling around with our economy, our standing on the world stage and our unity as a country.

The people at those rallies should be ashamed of themselves. I hope the Secret Service is ready, because some of these Cons don't seem to be able to deal with the thought of defeat...I think dealing with actual defeat would send some of them around the bend.

Maureen

Yes, I think with the way things are going people are just on the edge of snapping. Kind of like road rage.....maybe we can call it election rage??? I did notice that many of the people in the video were older, and I find that many of them have a hard time letting go of the past, for lack of a better way to put it. I have a dear neighbor who is very sweet, but, is in his 70's and refers to black people by using the "n" word. Not in an inflamatory way, just matter of factly, I guess you could say??

It is my understanding that if Obama is elected, there will be extra security detail assigned to him.

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OK....that's just funny!

(I don't like Obama, and I don't like Palin---I'm so screwed!!)

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Why the he ll should it be up to the oil companies to explore alternate fuels? That's like asking a company to find a way to put itself out of business!

Ask some alternate fuel company to do it!

You do realize that oil company profits are at 7.5% right? What do YOU consider an outrageous amt of profit for any company to make?I love how democrats just love to hate "big oil" just because, no valid reason, just because it's "big oil"

I hope you watch Larry King tonight. The person who yelled kill him is under investigation from the secret service. I am not so stupid after all? The way Palin & Mccain were running thier rallies was turning real ugly real fast. They went way to far stirring up fear and hate in the people that came to him them speak. Mccain did step up and stated that Obama was a decent guy today at the rally. He should of done that a few days ago....

How scary is it now that you know it is real?

OMG..one person who happened to be near a TV microphone and you are making assumptions that McCain & Palin were able to hear him? Palease, you are stretching beyond stretch! I know, they set him up to say it! I hear they are really into witch craft too!

I'll ask you the same question..

Why the he ll should it be up to the oil companies to explore alternate fuels? That's like asking a company to find a way to put itself out of business!

Ask some alternate fuel company to do it!

You do realize that oil company profits are at 7.5% right? What do YOU consider an outrageous amt of profit for any company to make?I love how democrats just love to hate "big oil" just because, no valid reason, just because it's "big oil"

No I am not... Palin when she started the terrorist statement using his middle name....they knew exactly what they were doing. You mean to tell me that this happen over a couple of days that they did not see it on the news with the off with his head.....the very next day she is doing the same speech. People chanting that his is a terrorist and she is shaking her head......

Yeah, and they are going to pay the guy to off Obama because they are so eevil...OK...go on with your hate filled world, you seem so content there..

Think woman, that is not putting them out of business if they are the one to get an alternative fuel source.....That would make them more money than oil if they could be the first ones to offer an alternative fuel.
I never stated I hated big oil where did you get that from?

Think yourself woman. If it's so darned lucrative, then we should have multiple companies scrambling for it! No company should be forced into any kind of R&D, that should be up to their BOD, their number one priority is to their stockholders! You don't provide for your stockholders, your stockholders stop buying your stock.

Now you are the one really stretching it. I just posted the link, and ask the question. You are the one bringing in witchcraft and paying somebody to off him. WTH?Really trying to twist and turn everything. No I am not content with a hate filled world, but you must be to condone what has been said. I think it is scary to hear people at a political rally screaming kill him and off with his head, and Mccain or Palin did not say anything until tonight, this has been going on since Sunday! They knew what was being said. Put the shoe on the other foot and if it was said at an Obama rally and I betcha your postion would turn around real fast.

I am a conservative and support McCain, but I think Obama is going to win. What really concerns me is if Obama does not win. I think we are going to see lots of protesting and posssibly riots.I'm not saying this with a "snarky" attitude. I'm not saying all Obama supporters are going to riot or cause problems...just like all McCain supporters wouldn't flip out if he does not win.

I kind of take a different appoach to politics. Yes, I support particular candidates...but ultimately God is in charge. He puts into office who he wants...not necessarily who I want...and not necessarily one who believes in God. He has His reasons and I don't always understand them. If the candidate that I want doesn't get elected...life goes on. Geeez...I voted for Bush and I definitely don't agree with everything that he has done. I think that even if you started out with a "perfect" person for a candidate...once they got into office..they would soon be like all of the others....crooks.....LOL!!!! I definitely don't put my faith in any politician...that's for sure.

And...I HATE all of the mudslinging from both sides. Just tell me what you have done in the past, what the problems are that we are facing, and how you plan to deal with them...your action plan. I know that things change and action plans have to be tweaked...just don't make a bunch of promises that you know you can't keep. Don't talk about all of the stuff you are going to do for me...just because it "sounds" good. Then, let me decide who to vote for. Let the media do the mudslinging of facts about the candidates pasts.

One can wish ..can't they ???????

I think Sarah even brought one of her guns with & offered it to the person..nudge nudge, hint hint.


Just showing you how rediculous you sound!

Are you talking to me? How do I sound rIdiculous? You are the one bringing in witchcraft and all the other ridiculouse talk. These things were getting yelled at the rallies, since sunday it took Mccain until Friday to say something. Please tell me how that is being ridiculous?

I do think it is ridiculous to expect McCain to say something to the people yelling out things against Obama.
They are people at all the different speeches that yell out stuff...anti-war, pro-choice, etc.
I think it is best just to ignore it at first if it becomes a major problem then address it. We "still" have freedom of speech.

Yes in most cases you would ingore it. But they were saying kill him off with his head and calling him a terrorist. How could they not say something? They should of at the next rally said they do not condone that kind of hate. I never said anything about freedom of speech.

The point is not whether or not McCain and Palin could heat the comments. The point is that their rhetoric is deliberately inciting violent comments from the crowd. In this world, we have quite a few people who aren't well balanced mentally. They walk around among us.

This hate speech from the candidates has to stop.

I felt bad for McCain when his own crowd booed him because he was urging them to treat the opposing candidate with a modicum of respect. They don't want calm, they don't want reason...they want vitriol, they want hatred, they want us vs. them...in short, they want Palin.

Maureen

Thank you kvmj and TheMoMo.

OMG..ok, then by your standards, Obama is directly responsible for the sign slashing, vehicle damage & voter fraud swirling around him...well...I guess he really is on that last one...

If Obama had used rhetoric such as McCain and Bible Spice use, yes, he would be culpable for such actions. He has not.

There has been no voter fraud associated with Obama.

AHAHA, yeah & he never worked for acorn. Pass that pipe around, k?

so..you like names huh? or does that only work when it's not your candidate?

I don't think it's ridiculous at all, particularly when the McCain camp encouraged this sort of rhetoric and loathing, and let it build. If you breed the environment, you are responsible for what grows there.

I'll give credit to McCain that yesterday, during his speeches, he repeatedly tried to keep things in check.

In Lakeville, McCain tamps down hostility

I have problems with McCain on every level. In the context of this thread, I see no good reason with rehashing it all. I will, if you think that it is important.

(I originally here started to touch the many things about McCain that bothered me, but which I didn't think were relevant to this post. In the end, it seemed to be something of a "I'm not here to praise Caesar" line of thought, so I deleted the whole section. If you want to talk about my problems with McCain, I'll address it in a post about McCain. )

On this topic, I have always credited McCain with a certain moral compass on his positions of public policy. I never thought that he would engage or embrace truly dirty politics, like he was subjected to through the push-polls during the last election, where the Bush-Rove juggernaut tried to say that he is daughter, Bridget, was his illegitimate black baby.

This campaign is testing that compass for him, I think. I think that this campaign has pitted his ambition against his belief in fair play, and he isn't comfortable with where this election rhetoric is going.

We'll see in this week's debate. At this stage, I think McCain should raise any objections that he has with Obama and his past. To the extent that McCain has raised it on the campaign trail, he should raise it in a forum that gives Obama a chance to respond.

This is the most toxic campaign environment that I remember since 1968, when I was a kid. It is very weird. But the folks who worry me aren't the wild eyed liberals. It is the wild eyed conservatives. The liberals aren't talking about treason, and death and "off with his head."

That, like it or not, is from the Republican side of the fence. McCain's campaign bred it. They need to disarm it.

This is where you lose your whole argument danny...so I stopped reading at that point..



there was no rhetoric, there was only FACT.

It IS loathesome how dirty his political hands are, especially considering he is just in the infancy of his career!

facts are facts, what are you gonna do?

Rhetoric
palling around with terrorists

Fact
This attack is false, but it's more than that – it's malicious. It unfairly tars not just Obama, but all the other prominent, well-respected Chicagoans who also volunteered their time to the foundation. They came from all walks of life and all political backgrounds, and there's ample evidence their mission was nothing more than improving ailing public schools in Chicago. Yet in the heat of a political campaign they have been accused of financing radicalism.
PolitiFact | A radical Ayers allegation

The McCain campaign is distorting the Obama-Ayers relationship, and exaggerating their closeness. There is no evidence that Obama has "lied" about his dealings with Ayers. It would be more accurate to say that he "told the truth slowly," a regrettable but commonplace practice among politicians seeking to avoid embarrassing questions
Did Obama "lie" about Ayers? - Fact Checker

Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former "terrorist," he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.
FactCheck.org: "He Lied" About Bill Ayers?

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.
CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Fact Check: Is Obama ‘palling around with terrorists’? - Blogs from CNN.com

People are getting nutty out there. My neighbor just stole my Obama sign. I'd consider stealing his McCain sign but he's a cop. So I just put out another sign. I have lots of them, since I volunteer for his campaign.

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Oh my, the massive limitations of expressing yourself on the web.

Because my eyes are rolling, rolling, rolling.

I'm altogether fine with folks disagreeing with my choice of candidate. But anyone who won't even read what I have to say or who refuses to listen to anyone from the other side, in my opinion, is just a sorry excuse for a voter.

I certainly understand saying that you don't think that a particular item matters. Just as I can and have said the same. But really, before anyone expresses a viewpoint or a candidate as "loathsome," one would hope that they would have listened to the other side.

Maybe I'm unfair. There are threads here that seem to be going to hell, and I don't read them all the way through.

But, for the most part, I do try.

But fine. Its fair enough to say that I have as much respect for your viewpoints as you have for mine.

And interpret that at will.

Really? I volunteer for McCains, I delivered 40 signs today...

Are you an english major? Or just the chatty kathy type? Gay? Not that it matters...I do chuckle at your posts, they go on & on & on & on...if it were C&P, ok..but nope pure danny, on & on & on..so I skim, get a gist & usually just ignore the whole thing, occassionally I toss you a bone so you can feel important again.

Yeah danny what gives? You gotta misspell stuff and use extra punctuation if you wanna get anywhere on this board. Quit postin' all smart like.

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Yeppers, I am either a Chatty Cathy or gay. Lord knows, I couldn't be anything other than the two.

And just so it is clear, in case anyone else cares, I'm really amused by kolu's post, and not offended in any way. And for Kolu, I know that I go on and on and on and on. Heaven knows, enough people have pointed it out that if I haven't gotten it by now, I'd be an outright idiot. I used to edit my comments more. Indeed, I'd draft my comments, e-mail to myself, and post them the next day if the comments were still relevant.

I've stopped that. This is me unedited. For better or worse, that means I tend to be long winded and redundant. I've only ever posted here during the election cycle though, so you have less than a month to care about it.

But poor you, and every other right wing conservative, I'm going to repeat myself over and over and over again.

That's just me.

But I'll try to use proper grammar and punctuation. And I'll try to be polite. Unless I get mad. Then, I suppose, you might as well say, all gloves are off. Then I call you a low down dirty biased person. But I'll say it in a lot of different ways. And I'll try to stay polite.


But I still will say, politely and endlessly, that you are misguided.

Because you are. And if you want me to say it in a whole variety of ways, I can. But in all seriousness, this amused me.

Thanks for the laugh.

Now, go back to trying to defend your unworthy candidate.

Kolu asking Dannyboy those questions was totally disrespectful not nice at all ,As far as Chatty Cathy you do pretty well yourself..... Catherine

Danny, it is funny how some of those who support McCain and realize that they are losing the battle tend to not only support his way of campaigning but follow the same game playbook....lies, name calling and blame shifiting. You have been a victim. Consider the source.

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