Do the polls showing him lagging cause you to rethink your decision, or does it make you more determined to get out and vote? Living overseas, it seems like EVERYTHING I hear on the news (if I hear anything about him at all) is negative. It's as if the news media has already chosen their candidate of choice, and is slanting all the news to lean in Barack's favor. The sad thing is, I listen to the ONLY English-speaking channel over here, as I'm sure many Americans do, and I believe this is truly unfair. So much for a fair and balanced media ...

I don't put much in these "polls". As was posted here, some people just give any answer, etc. I think the media is VERY slanted towards Obama. Not sure why, tho???

I'll be voting Nov. 4th,of course.

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More determined..I'll be delivering McCain signs to 40 homes in the morning.

I am voting for the Republican platform and therefore McCain heading this ticket will receive my vote.

I would never listen to a "poll" to vote one way or the other.

I am saddened that so many Americans are lazy and allow news media to spoon feed them all that they want them to know about a candidate and lie by omission not sharing the rest. (Obama has not proven his nationality or eligibility to run to my satisfaction yet)

I recently received an email that had something in it that rang very true to me.
It said "In the past when the Lord brought someone with the beliefs of Obama to lead a nation it meant one thing - judgment. "

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Then Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

And where are you getting your information regarding Obama's nationaility. Of course he is 100% American. This is the most ridiculous accusation I have heard so far. I am not trying to be mean or anything but even McCain is trying to get away from the negativity and lies of the campaign.

Obama all the way.

I, on the other hand, do not find it ridiculous, I find it worth looking into and the lawsuit is pending but is slow in the process.

"Defendant Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. on August 4,
1961 and it is uncertain in which hospital he claims to have been born.
Obama's grandmother on his father's side, his half-brother and
half-sister all claim Obama was born not in Hawaii but in Kenya. reports
reflect that Obama's mother traveled to Kenya during her pregnancy;
however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii.
at her late stage of pregnancy (which apparently are normal
restrictions, to avoid births during flights). By these reports, Stanley
Ann Dunham Obama gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew home
and registered Obama's birth. There are records of a "registry of birth"
for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in
Hawaii."

Berg's investigators revealed that Obama's own half-sister Maya
Soetoro—with whom he was raised—seemed not to know where her own brother
was born. In the Nov., 2004 interview by the Rainbow Newsletter Maya
Soetoro said Obama was born on Aug. 4, 1961 at Queens Medical Center in
Honolulu, Hawaii. In February, 2008 Maya was interviewed by the Star
Bulletin. This time she told reporters that Obama was born on August 4,
1961 at the Kaliolani Medical Center for Women and Children. On June 9,
2008 Wayne Madsen, a journalist with Online Journal published an article
in which he said a research team went to Mombassa, Kenya and located a
Certificate registering the live birth of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. to
his father, a Kenyan citizen and his mother, a US citizen."

Is it true? Does it matter? Yes, a definitive" absolute" is needed in this case before I or anyone else should accept him as a Presidential Candidate.

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Once again, innuendo and allegation are offered as "fact" by the right.

FactCheck.org: Born in the U.S.A.

I don't know if he is or isn't a US citizen, and choose to do actual research on it. In this thread I posted a link I found on a web site while digging around for other information. While I am not saying this is a fact, it bears looking into. Apparently this man in the video has brought a law suit against Obama, and I am rather interested to see if there is any credence in what he says about his Indonesian citizenship.

http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...continued.html

the last post by me has a link, then click on "obama crimes" video.

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Maybe we should get more up-to-date information regarding this issue. It is true that there is a lawsuit against Obama regarding this unfounded issue. I guess anyone can file a lawsuit about anything. You can get a more thorough explanation on this topic at the following site:

Fight the Smears: The Truth About Barack?s Birth Certificate

Ya'll aren't going to change my mind. It deserves a look.

I want ALL the facts shown in a court of law. Long birth certificate version and any evidence someone may have obtained in Kenya as well. I want both in a court of law and settled according to the law, both sides having their say. Not someone speaking on behalf of Obama(i.e. the websight you shared), I want him, in person to answer the claims as well as the person bringing his "so called proof" into question. I want evidence presented on both sides to make an educated decision based on facts presented.

I'm not trying to "prove" it to you. My comments in this entire thread are based on ME.
My opinion that it deserves another look.


Hey, We all waited for hanging chads didn't we?

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Where do you get all your information - from the web, watching TV, reading newspapers, etc. Obama does not have to prove anything regarding this lawsuit. The proof is with the person who filed the claim. On the other hand, he has already more than proven and met the requirements for being placed on the Democratic ticket as President otherwise he would not be in contention.

Don't you think there are a lot more intelligent people (than me anyway) and politicians in the know who would have caught such a simple-minded blunder before all this garbage came out on the web? Don't you think good ole 'I never did anything wrong - soccer mom' Sarah Palin would have been right on top of this?

And, yes, everyone needs to make up their own mind regarding the kind of person Obama will make as the next President of the United States.

I'm not sure what poster you're referring to, but, the information I got was found thru a very simple google search. As I said, I don't know if it is true or not, but, this is how I go about finding things out.....gather as much information as I can, and see where it leads me, and search for truthful facts. I guess that's just the PI in me

I don't know if any of these accusations are true, but, I'm not so ignorant to just take one point of view as fact. I do my own research, and it comes from MANY sources.

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You waited one month for hanging chads. As so many of your ilk like to whine, Obama's been running for president for over 18 months. If you can't prove he's not a citizen by now, maybe it's time to stop whining about it. Remember, the only one running for president that wasn't born in the US is John McCain.

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Please read my entire edited post. We will certainly see who is "ignorant" when all the facts come out.

Just because I only posted one point of view doesn't mean that I haven't looked at many posts regarding this issue. I only posted one view on the site because it was short and to the point. It also directed you to read other points of view from a few other sites. You need to read all the information before making a comment as you did.

I have not been hateful or started with any name-calling. I am just pointing out my views just as you.

As John McCain stated the other day when the crowd was getting out of hand - be respectful.

It does appear that Obama is stalling. He is in his rights to petition the court for a dismal.
But now there has been a filing for discovery. (Obama will have to provide the birth certificate. .if the case is not dismissed)

I do not understand WHY Obama will just not provide to the court the official birth certificate.
If it is not a big deal..then why make it into a big deal.

Just because the polls show Obama ahead of Sen. McCain in the polls (but now show McCain closing in) doesn't at all change my mind on voting for Sen. McCain. If people listen to what the media is saying, you'd think Obama could do no wrong and we sure know better than that! I certainly hope the American people are smarter than to listen to the media and will make their own decisions.

As for McCain's citizenship (as another poster cited), McCain's parents were living on a military base in the Panama Canal when McCain was born, thus making him automatically an American citizen since both his parents were citizens and his father was serving our country. I can't believe someone would actually try to make an issue of that one.

I don't know -- why are you making it into a big deal. You're the one doing it -- you and the people that think like you, so happy to dig up ridiculous, unfounded dirt for the sheer pleasure of flinging it.

Why does it make you so happy to post ridiculous lies?

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Oh, you mean like being born in the US actually makes you a citizen, but people like you still insist on throwing filth around? Don't you have anything better to do? Disgusting.

Oooh, McCain was in Vietnam all those years, maybe he renounced his American citizenship, too. Ooh, who know what he did. Maybe we should file a lawsuit to make him prove he's still a citizen.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Can you please quote who it is you are referring to. I don't see an edited post by you on this thread.

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ANYONE who has the money to file a lawsuit can file a lawsuit. That does not give the lawsuit merit. Here is a lawsuit files claiming McCain is not eligible to be President because of his birthplace.....Do I find this credible? NO, but, as I said ANYONE can file a lawsuit-does not make the information credible.

http://volokh.com/files/aames.pdf

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Sorry allinaugust - I was referring to your post insinsuating I was ignorant:

"I'm not so ignorant to just take one point of view as fact"

Since I have not taken just one point of view as fact I take exception to your comment.

If that is not the case then sobeit. We will just agree to disagree.

McCain supplied his birth certificate and medical records. . . I think this is all probably hooey, but why can't Obama just supply his birth certificate and records then?

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You mean McCain's birth certificate showing that he was born OUTSIDE the US? Oooh, he's a fraud!

Where's his proof that he didn't change his allegience to Vietnam while he was there all those year? HMMM????? Where's your proof that he ever became a US citizen? Where's your proof that he stayed on?

You want to toss around BS lies and mud about Obama -- at least he was born in the US. McCain wasn't. Gosh, guess he's not a "real" American, that McCain.

ETA: Obama's birth certificate is all over the internet if you chose to look. Obviously, that's not in your best interest, since it doesn't support your continued lies. You don't even have the decency to tell the truth about his birth certificate. How shabby, how disgraceful -- and how typical of so many McCain supporters. The truth is not in any of your best interests, is it?

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Seriously, you can't put any weight on this.

In litigation, you can move for immediate dismissal of a case if it doesn't state a claim. The argument is that, on its very face, the complaint doesn't state a claim that the law recognizes. This argument is based on purely the allegations in the complaint. Basically, you are saying that even if the plaintiff proves everything, he or she or they can't win.

If you are moving to dismiss, though, you don't submit evidence outside the complaint, like the birth certificate would be. Because that converts the case into one for summary judgment, which recognizes that there might be a claim stated inasmuch as it is legally recognized, but the facts are such that only your side should win.

The problem with bringing a motion for summary judgment, as opposed to a motion to dismiss, is that a motion for summary judgment will be denied if there are material facts of operative facts still in controversy. And it should be denied if discovery hasn't occurred, and someone can always assert "if only I had some more discovery, the facts would change," particularly at an early stage.

Anyway, from what I read here, a motion to dismiss was filed. It was appropriate. And the fact that the Obama campaign didn't attach Obama's birth certificate wasn't only understandable, it was the only choice to end this stupid lawsuit early.

Seriously. . .McCain was born to US Citizens on a US base. . .not too controversial.

The allegation is that Obama wasn't born in the US, but in Kenya. All he needs to do is provide his papers to the court. As far as it being all over the internet. . .big deal. So is the Photoshopped picture of Palin in a bikini holding a gun. . .does it make it real?

This seems to really bother you. Maybe you should write Obama urging him to give his valid birth certificate to the court so we can all move on.

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Maybe McCain's a Martian. Can you prove to me that he isn't?

Ask him to offer up a DNA swab. I'm sure he would.

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I was not insinuating that you were ignorant.

MY POST:

I'm not sure what poster you're referring to, but, the information I got was found thru a very simple google search. As I said, I don't know if it is true or not, but, this is how I go about finding things out.....gather as much information as I can, and see where it leads me, and search for truthful facts. I guess that's just the PI in me

I don't know if any of these accusations are true, but, I'm not so ignorant to just take one point of view as fact. I do my own research, and it comes from MANY sources."

Being ignorant just means not knowing something. It's not necessarily a bad thing.

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According to the lawsuit filed, it is not only his Birth Certificate in question, but, his citizenship as an Indonesian citizen. The lawyer in the video spelled it out pretty well. Do I believe it?? I don't know, really. If someone can prove to me that he is not a US citizen, I will believe it. Do I go on hear say?? not exactly.

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Is it true? Does it matter? Yes, a definitive" absolute" is needed in this case before I or anyone else should accept him as a Presidential Candidate - well Said.

There is only one choice for President as I see it.

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As stated many times....ANYONE with the money for file that lawsuit, can file a lawsuit for ANY REASON THEY WANT. That does not give the lawsuit any merit. Just means someone had the money to file the lawsuit.

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I can file a lawsuit tomorrow accusing you of being a two headed swamp rat. Does that make it true?

If someone can prove to me he's not a US citizen, I'll believe it. Until then, I think it's garbage and another lie spread to scare people.

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