http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Co...ve_council.pdf

Ok, that sucker is 263 pages...can you give us the Readers Digest version?

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I saw on CNN Breaking News that
"Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in a state official's firing but did not violate the law, an Alaska legislative panel finds."

I wonder exactly what that means?
I will try later to read the pdf above... maybe it explains it.

Yeah, I got the same email that forrestlayne did, why does it not surprise me that msnbc is spinning it?

Well, since you don't like MSNBC here is a link to an AP article: (but it won't change the findings--she abused her powers!)

Alaska panel finds Palin abused power in firing - Yahoo! News

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Palin i agree is totally abusing her powers.... Catherine

AP is no better, right from CNN..your clinton news network (well until obama came into the picture, hilary got tossed under the bus), she did not violate the law.

Okay, just go shopping to your favorite neo-con sources till you find one you will accept---won't change the fact SHE ABUSED HER POWER.

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From your very own pride & joy..CNN, AP "conveniently" left that bit of information out!

A spokeswoman for the McCain-Palin campaign responded by calling the investigation "a partisan-led inquiry" run by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, but hailing its finding that Monegan's firing broke no law.

"Gov. Palin was cleared of the allegation of an improper firing, which is what this investigation was approved to look into," campaign spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said.

She said the Legislature exceeded its mandate in finding an ethics violation. "Lacking evidence to support the original Monegan allegation, the Legislative Council seriously overreached, making a tortured argument to find fault without basis in law or fact," she said.

As for the power abuse, hell, what did they have 70+ democratic lawyers there to spin that yarn?

This was predicted ages ago & I even posted it here..a.ctually, it is precisely on target for date, it was predicted to be put out on Oct. 10th, what a wonder!

Thanks, kolu.

I agree with Dick Morris on this one - I would *want* my governor to go to the ends of the earth to get crooked troopers who tase children for sport out of their patrol cars and into the unemployment line.

FWIW, from what I understand it wasn't that *she* abused her power - it was that she was aware that her husband had called Wooten and she didn't order him to stop.

And of course, we can take the word of the McCain campaign spokesperson, but not accept the words of the AP or MSNBC, because a McCain spokesperson would be SOOOOOO fair and balanced while the AP and MSNBC are so not.......................in your little dreamworld only

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This was from CNN's website, the quote was from them too! The email alert sent out said

"Gov. Sarah Palin abused her power in a state official's firing but did not violate the law, an Alaska legislative panel finds."



But, we all knew this was coming...and yes, there is more than one angle to this thing!



A Friday hearing revealed that an Obama partisan has manipulated an independent investigator’s subpoena list for a controversial inquiry against GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

The investigation is intended to determine whether Palin abused her office by firing Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. Palin says she fired him over budget issues. Her foes believe the firing was due to Monegan’s unwillingness to fire Palin’s former brother-in-law State Trooper Mike Wooten, a man who has admitted to “tasering” his stepson, illegally shooting a moose and has been accused of threatening his former father-in-law with violence and drinking in his police car.

Investigator Steven Branchflower admitted he had ceded control of his subpoena list to Sen. Hollis French (D.) during Alaska’s Joint Judiciary Committee September 12 hearing that was scheduled to approve subpoena requests. [CLICK HERE FOR AUDIO.] French is a partisan who has endorsed Palin’s Democratic presidential ticket rival Barack Obama for president and is actively supporting his candidacy.

Lawmakers approved 13 of Branchflower’s subpoena requests that day, which included one for Palin’s husband, Todd. Four other subpoenas were approved for aides Branchflower believes participated in a meeting called by Palin’s former chief of staff Mike Tibbles where Wooten’s firing was allegedly discussed.

Rep. David Guttenberg (D.) asked Branchflower why he was requesting subpoenas for only those people attending the meeting and not Tibbles himself.

Branchflower said he would “have to defer that question to Mr. French.”

“I put the list together with, talking to Mr. French,” Branchflower added.

Sen. Gene Therriault (R.) told Branchflower, “I don’t understand why you would have to defer that question to Sen. French. If it’s your list you’re in complete control of the list, then why can’t you answer the question?”

Branchflower had no explanation. He only offered, “I’m not sure why his name was removed. My initial request was to have him on the list.” At that point, French interjected. “It appeared to me there wasn’t the political will to subpoena Tibbles.”

“Something’s fishy here,” Therriault replied. “I mean either Mr. Branchflower conducts his investigation without direction, and now we know he’s been directed on the date and changing what he’s doing and how he’s doing it because of the time pressure he is feeling. And now we’re hearing that people that he’s trying to get information from, there’s direction going on on that, too.”

Indeed. Although the investigation is far from concluding, French has suggested it may culminate in an “October surprise,” perhaps even Palin's impeachment as Governor-- a game-changing outcome that would certainly increase the Democrats chances of winning the White House in November.

The final report, which French has already described as “damaging,” is set to be released on October 31, four days shy of the presidential election. Since the investigation began last August, there have been disputes over the timing over the report’s release, as Therriault mentioned. Although there’s been general agreement that Branchflower should conduct his investigation in a “timely” fashion, some Democratic politicos, like French, have been pushing for an October deadline.

French, who is “project director” of the inquiry against Palin, and investigator Branchflower are two of three main players in this investigation Republicans say have been tainted by partisan politics. The other is Democratic Sen. Kim Elton, chairman of Alaska’s Legislature’s Legislative Council that’s overseeing the investigation. Both French and Elton are strong Obama backers.

Branchflower, who currently resides in South Carolina, was appointed by French to conduct the actual investigation. He worked with French several years ago when both were members of Alaskan law enforcement.

Palin’s lawyer Thomas Van Flein said the entire investigation is “unlawful and unconstitutional.” He recently wrote a terse letter to Branchflower, blasting the investigator’s “seemingly biased conduct of the investigation in recent weeks.”

Alaskan Republicans have asked Chairman Elton to replace French with someone less partisan, but Elton denied their request.

According to campaign finance data available on opensecrets.com Elton has donated at least $2,000 to Obama’s campaign. Three other Democrats on the Elton’s 14-member council are also supporting Obama for president, as identified on Obama’s presidential website.

Further fueling the GOP’s fire is the fact that former Commissioner Monegan and state trooper Wooten are surprisingly mild-mannered about this “scandal” that’s blown into a national news story after Palin’s vice presidential appointment.

Monegan told the Anchorage Daily News on August 30 that he was never pressured to dismiss Palin’s former brother-in-law. “For the record,” he said, “no one has ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff.”

Wooten, for his part, has reportedly turned down at least $30,000 from tabloids hungry for his side of the story. His union, however, the Public Safety Employees Association, filed a complaint with the Attorney General’s office, to find out if Wooten’s personnel file had ever been illegally disclosed.

The same week PSEA filed their complaint, CNN reported that Obama campaign officials had been contacting Wooten’s union, although Obama spokesmen have vehemently refuted CNN’s report as well as one from the Wall Street Journal’s John Fund that said more than 30 lawyers, investigators and opposition researches had been deployed to Alaska to dig up dirt on Palin.

Since you are now quoting, so apparently for some reason accepting CNN reportage (though you condemned it earlier) here is the latest CNN posting:

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin abused her power as Alaska's governor and violated state ethics law by trying to get her ex-brother-in-law fired from the state police, a state investigator's report concluded Friday.


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is under investigation for the firing of her public safety commissioner.

"Gov. Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda," the report states.

Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan's refusal to fire State Trooper Mike Wooten from the state police force was "likely a contributing factor" to Monegan's July dismissal, but Palin had the authority as governor to fire him, the report by former Anchorage prosecutor Stephen Branchflower states.

However, it states that her efforts to get Wooten fired broke a state ethics law that bars public officials from pursuing personal interest through official action.

Monegan has said he was fired in July after refusing pressure to sack Wooten, who had gone through an acrimonious divorce and custody battle with Palin's sister. View a timeline of the investigation »

Palin and her husband, Todd, have consistently denied wrongdoing, describing Wooten as a "rogue trooper" who had threatened their family -- allegations Branchflower discounted.


"I conclude that such claims of fear were not bona fide and were offered to provide cover for the Palins' real motivation: to get Trooper Wooten fired for personal family reasons," Branchflower wrote.

The Branchflower report states Todd Palin used his wife's office and its resources to press for Wooten's removal, and the governor "failed to act" to stop it. But because Todd Palin is not a state employee, the report makes no finding regarding his conduct.

The bipartisan Legislative Council, which commissioned the investigation after Monegan was fired, unanimously adopted the 263-page public report after a marathon executive session Friday.

About 1,000 more pages of documents compiled during the inquiry will remain confidential because they involve private personnel matters, according to the council's chairman, state Sen. Kim Elton.

"I believe that these findings may help people come to a conclusion on how they should vote" in the presidential election, Elton said.

McCain-Palin campaign spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said Palin would cooperate with the Personnel Board investigation. The Palins' lawyer has said an investigator named by that board wants to question them in late October.

Stapleton called the investigation "a partisan-led inquiry" run by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, but hailed its finding that Monegan's firing broke no law.

"Gov. Palin was cleared of the allegation of an improper firing, which is what this investigation was approved to look into," she said.

Stapleton went on to say that the Legislature exceeded its mandate in finding an ethics violation. "Lacking evidence to support the original Monegan allegation, the Legislative Council seriously overreached, making a tortured argument to find fault without basis in law or fact."

Rep. John Coghill, a Republican who criticized the handling of the investigation, said it was "well-done professionally."

He said Palin "bumped right against the edges" of the state's ethics laws but that he would give "the benefit of the doubt to the governor, though, at this point."

Palin originally agreed to cooperate with the Legislative Council inquiry, and disclosed in August that her advisers had contacted Department of Public Safety officials nearly two dozen times regarding her ex-brother-in-law.

But once she became Sen. John McCain's running mate, her advisers began painting the investigation as a weapon of Democratic partisans.

Ahead of Friday's hearing, Palin supporters wearing clown costumes and carrying balloons denounced the probe as a "kangaroo court" and a "three-ring circus" led by supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama.



The state senator managing the probe, Sen. Hollis French, fueled those complaints with a September 2 interview in which he warned the inquiry could yield an "October Surprise" for the GOP. But Palin's lawyers already had begun pushing for the state Personnel Board to launch its own investigation, calling it the proper legal venue for the matter.

"The report speaks for itself," French told CNN Friday night. E-mail to a friend

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I hope this stunt backfires on Obama in a huge, huge way.

Thanks so much for the 'behind the scenes' story, kolu.

You go jeanif......

It is just so sad that people cannot accept the fact that McCain/Palin ticket will do just about anything to win - lie, lie, lie. How about addressing some issues like the fact that Palin abused her power as Governor. But then again I guess they will try to put a spin on this evidence as well.

Lie lie lie, like associations with ACORN, Raines, Johnson, Ayers, Resko...gee, 3 out of 5 of those listed are thugs..the other two theives, hmm.

Wrong, wrong wrong. So we should just ignore the fact that Palin abused her power? Just put the blame on someone else or shift the story lines somewhere else to sweep this under the rug. I think not.

Just the same as you ignore the set up on who carried out that investigation and the bias they represented.

Just the same as you ignore the absolute thugs your messiah has been associated with.

I'll take the firing of an employee ANY day over the types of things barry has tangled himself in!

Set up???? Her hands were not clean. Why shouldn't she be investigated? What else have they found in her secretive 'private' email accounts. I am only searching for the truth - not on a witch hunt.

Since I OBVIOUSLY have to repeat myself..

Investigator Steven Branchflower admitted he had ceded control of his subpoena list to Sen. Hollis French (D.) during Alaska’s Joint Judiciary Committee September 12 hearing that was scheduled to approve subpoena requests. [CLICK HERE FOR AUDIO.] French is a partisan who has endorsed Palin’s Democratic presidential ticket rival Barack Obama for president and is actively supporting his candidacy.

Lawmakers approved 13 of Branchflower’s subpoena requests that day, which included one for Palin’s husband, Todd. Four other subpoenas were approved for aides Branchflower believes participated in a meeting called by Palin’s former chief of staff Mike Tibbles where Wooten’s firing was allegedly discussed.

Rep. David Guttenberg (D.) asked Branchflower why he was requesting subpoenas for only those people attending the meeting and not Tibbles himself.

Branchflower said he would “have to defer that question to Mr. French.”

“I put the list together with, talking to Mr. French,” Branchflower added.

Sen. Gene Therriault (R.) told Branchflower, “I don’t understand why you would have to defer that question to Sen. French. If it’s your list you’re in complete control of the list, then why can’t you answer the question?”

Branchflower had no explanation. He only offered, “I’m not sure why his name was removed. My initial request was to have him on the list.” At that point, French interjected. “It appeared to me there wasn’t the political will to subpoena Tibbles.”

“Something’s fishy here,” Therriault replied. “I mean either Mr. Branchflower conducts his investigation without direction, and now we know he’s been directed on the date and changing what he’s doing and how he’s doing it because of the time pressure he is feeling. And now we’re hearing that people that he’s trying to get information from, there’s direction going on on that, too.”

No need to repeat yourself. I fully understand. My comments stand as is.

Thanks for your side of the story.

I'm sure ACORN doesn't bother you a bit either, right?

page 9 of the pdf
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Co...ve_council.pdf

Finding one and Finding two explains it.

That would be correct.

OH darn, there goes those silly facts again!

And anyone here that even BEGINS to try & not talk about media bias can be shot down right here & right now.

The finders of fact in this investigation were not "media"

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So let me get this straight....

We're up in arms and despondant over people who didn't bother to properly punch a chad or two, but it's no biggie to have a voter drive with so little concern for accuracy in the registrations that some people register 37 times because of the goodies that they're offered.... and at such a late date that when they're all turned in to the government agencies that oversee those registrations that there isn't time to properly weed out those who registered multiple times?

Niiiice.

So kolu you would suggest that we watch Fox news for all the factual answers?

What is the difference between Sarah (let's get mavericky) Palin and Dick (the rules don't apply to me) Cheney?

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ummmm...hello! Name me one person IN POWER who has (at times) used his/her power inappropriately? I mean, really!

I think all people in power have abused their power--they's hired someone as a favor, they've found a way to let someone go--as a favor. Let's be realistic people! That's part and parcel of having power.

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I guess you just happened to miss this posted on CNN, I guess Barrack has some Psychic abilities we don't know about.

According to a timeline one CNN about Palin abusing her power as govenor. The vote to investigate her happen on July 28, a full month before anyone knew about Sarah Palin.

"The bi-partisian, Republician -dominated Legislative Council votes unanimously to investigate the Monegan's firing. It hires former Anchorage prosucutor Stephan Branchflower to conduct the probe and set an October 31 deadline for the report and picks state Senate Judical Committee Chairman a Democrat to manage the inquiry."




The link:
Palin denies she abused power - CNN.com
Go to timeline and under 2008 it is the fourth one.

I suggest you read various sources & use your brain! I know you have to hate FOX, but reality is, they DO state BOTH sides, you are so used to not hearing the one side, you consider it leaning. I've seen them give Obama represenatives 100 times more air time than CNN gives to McCain representatives! All last week, they'd ask, "Was Obama connected to William Ayers" their answer each & every time was "the economy blah blah blah", ask again, same answer again, didn't matter what rep they had on.

Sometimes, there aren't two sides to a story. There is someone telling the truth and someone who is lying. Palin was found guilty of abusing her power. It wasn't a partisan investigation. It was fair.

Nice try at obfuscation, but what does that have to do with the FACT that Palin ABUSED HER POWERS?

Also, if you honestly believe that FOX is truly fair and balanced I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.....

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Telling the whole truth would be nice.
Yes, Palin is found to have abused her power ..also the rest of the truth.. they also found that Palin did not violate the law. That is the whole truth.

ETA (page 9 of the pdf )
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Co...ve_council.pdf

Finding one and Finding two explains it.

Dangit.

You mean Monica Lewinsky wasn't necessarily qualified for that Pentagon job?

I have noticed that as the standard way for Obama and his campaign to answer things. They DON'T answer them, they say "LOOK........." and blah, blah, blah about the economy. I want to say to him "you LOOK......every time you say that it sounds so condescending you really should stop saying it and just answer the dam question."

During the debate, a woman asked the final question..... "what don't you know and how will you learn it????" Obama said "well, my wife will tell you that....let me tell you what I DO know....." Um, hello.....that was NOT the question.....

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You mean sort of like when McCain says: My Friends, My Friends, let me tell you.......blah blah blah

He is using that term to start the conversation & TO ANSWER the question, Obama & crew just plain DON'T answer the question, big difference!

Exactly! & how hard & long have you had to look at news reports to find the no breaking of the law revealed? If it were obama, the headlines would have read, "Obama found not guilty in ..." instead of the way the headlines were printed today over & over & over. it's disgusting.

I would not trust Palin ever ever to be our new vice president, God forbid if something happened to McCain and Palin had to step in as our president, on that note I would not want to live in America. Seriously she does not know dumswat about being a leader of our nation. Before McCain took her as his running mate to become vice president seriously how many people on these boards ever ever heard of her or even saw a picture of her... not me and truly cannot bare to see anymore. She should stay in Alaska and run her little town, that all she truly knows. She claimed to have visited so many countires. She only applied and received her visa in 2007, wow how many foreign countries did she visit. Give me a break, I personally think John Doe could convince me he knows how to deal with all the turmoil our country is in right now, not her no way no how.... Obama and Biden all the way........ Catherine

Can someone tell me how many foreign countries Mr. Obama has visited?

I assume that both Biden and McCain have probably done extensive traveling....just wondering how Palin and Obama compare.

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I have no idea and just have to say that I'm without words. I can tell you that Palin has not, in fact, claimed to have been a world traveler, so I don't know where that statement came from.

Some of these posts make me feel like I stepped straight into the 60's and like people around me are having a little too much time with psychadelic drugs.

I.... just can't think like that.

ETA: What is dumswat?

How many foreign countries has Barack Obama visited and done business with on behalf of the USA? - Yahoo! Answers
Palin camp clarifies extent of Iraq trip - The Boston Globe

Okay so now I am on drugs, :Listen do you read Rolling Stone magazine if not then go read the lastest issue, its tells you all about her only obtaining a visa from 2007 so how much experience does she truly have. Secondly Dumswat is a term I grew up with , in English it means she has no idea what she SaraH Palin is doing. Finally poster do not even mention the words drugs whether your serious or not, that is out and out immature and true sad and a very hurtful thing to say.... Catherine

When I read the written word, I tend to 'hear' it as I 'see' it.

Punctuation can be your friend.

wowistdark are you still harping on correct punctuation yet, this still bothers you, yet what is going on with our country now, and my puncuation bothers you hon. Well here is some more I am a Native New Yawker I say Earl for the word Oil. I say Faul for the word Foil, everybody here in New Yawk or Lon Islind does not have a problem , why do you??????.What makes you so so so perfect. If my punctuation is that painful to read to see, that kindly skip my posts, just a thought>>>> Catherine

Catherine, you seem to have trouble following a thought from one reply to the next, even when it's your own reply!

Kolu I have no problems following through. The problems I have is that I have different views on subjects and it bothers you and some others. Can you be more imformative on your statement of me??? Catherine

If people have trouble trusting Sarah Palin, how in the world do they trust Obama, with all his links to shady characters??????? People have their blinders on here...its pathetic....Sherri

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Well put. If it wasn't so darn scary I'd laugh at how Sarah is too inexperienced to take over IF something would ever happen to McCain yet Obama hasn't much experience under his belt and he's running for the presidency. WTF????? Plus Obama has been friends with so many questionable people-THAT'S freakin scary!

Here we go again the wtf... why do we have to curse. seems like someones feathers are being upset???? Catherine

ROFL! Thanks for the laugh and I really mean that. It's even funnier because I know you don't see the humor in your statement.

Yes, mostly at taxpayer expense Obama has visited lots of foreign places.
On the other hand Palin being a mayor and then a Governor did not have that opportunity.

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