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Old 10-12-2008, 12:09 AM
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Obama caught saying acorn and friends will shape his presidential agenda

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Hooo boy.

Looks like we've got ourselves a winner in this candidate.

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We certainly do and you will see it come true on Nov 4th when Obama and Biden gets elected. Cannot come soon enough. I do not hide and pretend to be someone else. i speak volumns when I believe in something and not afraid to admit it or say it. I truly think the bottom line is that so many people are afraid to have a BlacK American run our country its about time. While we are on the subject I personally would have loved a Black or White Women run our country. So for now I will take Obama he and so many Black Americans deserve it and its way over the time. And one day we will have a Women as well , just not Palin, Hilary Clinton would have been fine as well. Catherine
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:16 AM
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Hooo boy.

Looks like we've got ourselves a winner in this candidate.

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Just him and some more of his DIRTY friends....I personally wouldnt let him take care of my DOG!!!! And just because he is BLACK doesnt mean he Deaserves it...that is totally stupid...he should deserve it on his record...oh I forgot he has no record.....Skin color has NOTHING to do with being qualified to be President...that is pure ignorance....Sherri
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Skin color has everything to do with it. Have you not seen any of the rallied where people are saying such hateful things about Obama because of his skin color. do not even go there and twist my words. I simply said its about time a African American given the chance to be president, and you can honestly tell me that all Americans feel this way. It might be 2008 however the civil rights and 1960's beliefs are still very strong in some people's mind. So do not mince my words how truly sad.... Catherine
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Old 10-12-2008, 01:46 AM
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Skin color has everything to do with it. Have you not seen any of the rallied where people are saying such hateful things about Obama because of his skin color. do not even go there and twist my words. I simply said its about time a African American given the chance to be president, and you can honestly tell me that all Americans feel this way. It might be 2008 however the civil rights and 1960's beliefs are still very strong in some people's mind. So do not mince my words how truly sad.... Catherine
You honestly think he DESERVES to be pres. because he is Black.....what about Louis Farrakkan,,,Jesse Jackson...Rev, Wright...AL Sharpton???? DO they deserve to be president because they are black??? What about an Asian Amercian??? DO they deserve it too....What about an American Indian?? Do they deserve the presidency because of their color and ethinithy?????? That is proposperous....Same goes for a white man....If he doesnt have the qualifications....he doesnt deserve the Presidency... Are we now using Affirmitive action to elect a president??? How ridiculous.....I again say it has NOTHING to do with skin color...NOTHING>...I would vote for someone purple if they qualified and would serve this country like it needs to be served...If I halfway agreed with Obama, I would vote for him in a second...I dont beleive in his policies...when you can get anything out of him....Some people may say things about him because of his skin color...but I am not one of them....I dont trust him because of all his shady characters, he has had dealings with....thats it....I dont think he is qualified period..he is a junior senior who has voted what a little over 100 times....His lack of experience frightens me, not his skin color...Sherri
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:14 AM
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You honestly think he DESERVES to be pres. because he is Black.....what about Louis Farrakkan,,,Jesse Jackson...Rev, Wright...AL Sharpton???? DO they deserve to be president because they are black??? What about an Asian Amercian??? DO they deserve it too....What about an American Indian?? Do they deserve the presidency because of their color and ethinithy?????? That is proposperous....Same goes for a white man....If he doesnt have the qualifications....he doesnt deserve the Presidency... Are we now using Affirmitive action to elect a president??? How ridiculous.....I again say it has NOTHING to do with skin color...NOTHING>...I would vote for someone purple if they qualified and would serve this country like it needs to be served...If I halfway agreed with Obama, I would vote for him in a second...I dont beleive in his policies...when you can get anything out of him....Some people may say things about him because of his skin color...but I am not one of them....I dont trust him because of all his shady characters, he has had dealings with....thats it....I dont think he is qualified period..he is a junior senior who has voted what a little over 100 times....His lack of experience frightens me, not his skin color...Sherri
You got that right. Obama has hardly any experience at all, and very questionable alliances. How the heck did he get this far? I can't believe I'm going to say this but I want Hillary!!!!! Not the devil incarnate!!
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Old 10-12-2008, 02:17 AM
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HE got this far by making a speech at the Dem. convention in 2004???? Who knew that could boost you to a Presidential candidate???? Sherri
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I never trust him and never will,ANd colo my dear has NOTHING to do with it.
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Old 10-12-2008, 12:58 PM
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Skin color has everything to do with it. Have you not seen any of the rallied where people are saying such hateful things about Obama because of his skin color. do not even go there and twist my words. I simply said its about time a African American given the chance to be president, and you can honestly tell me that all Americans feel this way. It might be 2008 however the civil rights and 1960's beliefs are still very strong in some people's mind. So do not mince my words how truly sad.... Catherine
I do think your statement "skin color has everything to do with it" is correct..but for a different reason.
I am afraid so many people are only voting on the fact that he is black. No other reason.

Which I find as wrong as someone not voting for him only based on the fact that he is black.

I do not agree with his "socialism" views. I believe individual freedom is the most important.
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You honestly think he DESERVES to be pres. because he is Black.....what about Louis Farrakkan,i
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Jesse Jackson...Rev, Wright...AL Sharpton???? DO they deserve to be president because they are black??? What about an Asian Amercian??? DO they deserve it too....What about an American Indian?? Do they deserve the presidency because of their color and ethinithy?????? That is proposperous....Same goes for a white man....If he doesnt have the qualifications....he doesnt deserve the Presidency... Are we now using Affirmitive action to elect a president??? How ridiculous.....I again say it has NOTHING to do with skin color...NOTHING>...I would vote for someone purple if they qualified and would serve this country like it needs to be served...If I halfway agreed with Obama, I would vote for him in a second...I dont beleive in his policies...when you can get anything out of him....Some people may say things about him because of his skin color...but I am not one of them....I dont trust him because of all his shady characters, he has had dealings with....thats it....I dont think he is qualified period..he is a junior senior who has voted what a little over 100 times....His lack of experience frightens me, not his skin color...Sherri
that's it, let's all vote for my DH, he was born in Puerto Rico.....surely he's qualified.
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BLASPHEMY!!!! There is NO way Obama said these things...... You Conservative Right Winger, you
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As usual another wingnut, hysterical thread. Big surprise.

Not that you actually care, but here is another view of the events surrounding your creatively edited video. YouTube - Hillary booed at the Iowa Heartland Democratic forum Now, if you REALLY care, here is the complete video http://www.youdecide2008.com/video/v...om-des-moines/

Sen. Obama said he would meet with community groups. And ???? What exactly do you have against little represented groups trying to get a place at the table? Isn't that what our form of gov't is about?

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ACORN is a good organization with decent goals. Nothing shocking here. ACORN did not cause any bank or mortgage lender to make a bad loan which is what the video claims.

Community organizers are far more in tune with the needs of people than are the corporations that shaped the agenda for this last administration.
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Old 10-12-2008, 03:46 PM
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ACORN is a good organization with decent goals. Nothing shocking here. ACORN did not cause any bank or mortgage lender to make a bad loan which is what the video claims.

Community organizers are far more in tune with the needs of people than are the corporations that shaped the agenda for this last administration.

LOL! I have to laugh at this entire statement! There's really nothing that can be said to these ridiculous statements.

As far as the poster talking about Obama deserving the presidency because he's black -- oh, please! Since when is affirmative action grounds for the White House?
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LOL! I have to laugh at this entire statement! There's really nothing that can be said to these ridiculous statements.

As far as the poster talking about Obama deserving the presidency because he's black -- oh, please! Since when is affirmative action grounds for the White House?
The poster did not say that Obama deserved the presidency because he was black. She was referring to the calls for his death (off with his head, kill him) being due to his being black. I do think it's part, but not all, of the reasons that the crowds at the McCain Palin rallies have become so nasty.

Tell me why you think Acorn, an organization that works for the betterment of minorities and poor people is a bad organization. I do know that the right has put forth a considerable effort to paint this organization as stupid and criminal. They have also tried to blame them for the sub prime crisis when nothing could be further than the truth.
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Old 10-12-2008, 04:39 PM
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The poster did not say that Obama deserved the presidency because he was black. She was referring to the calls for his death (off with his head, kill him) being due to his being black. I do think it's part, but not all, of the reasons that the crowds at the McCain Palin rallies have become so nasty.

Tell me why you think Acorn, an organization that works for the betterment of minorities and poor people is a bad organization. I do know that the right has put forth a considerable effort to paint this organization as stupid and criminal. They have also tried to blame them for the sub prime crisis when nothing could be further than the truth.
The shouts about Obama has nothing to do with the fact that he is black.

"Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd"
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The shouts about Obama has nothing to do with the fact that he is black.

"Shouts of "traitor," "terrorist," "treason," "liar," and even "off with his head" have rung from the crowd"
I don't think that they all have to do with him being black. I think some of them do. Yesterday, in Ohio, a man showed up with a stuffed monkey wearing an Obama fez. Do you think that wasn't a racial slur? I do.
Did you not hear the cry, "Kill him!"?
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I don't think that they all have to do with him being black. I think some of them do. Yesterday, in Ohio, a man showed up with a stuffed monkey wearing an Obama fez. Do you think that wasn't a racial slur? I do.
Did you not hear the cry, "Kill him!"?
"Kill him!" ..I would associate that with thinking "treason" or dealing with terrorists.
I have heard "similar comments" on this board about Bush and Cheney..should be tried and hung for treason.

Yes, there are some that will dislike Obama because he is black. BUT I do think the percentage of voters that vote for Obama because he is black is higher than people that will not vote for him because he is black.

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Yes, there are some that will dislike Obama because he is black. BUT I do think the percentage of voters that vote for Obama because he is black is higher than people that will not vote for him because he is black.
I have read that 80% of blacks are voting for Obama. I have not researched this, so do not know the factuality of it. don't think they can really say something like this until AFTER the election. Do they even keep track of each person's skin color for voting??
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I have read that 80% of blacks are voting for Obama. I have not researched this, so do not know the factuality of it. don't think they can really say something like this until AFTER the election. Do they even keep track of each person's skin color for voting??
I read the same thing during the primaries with exit polls. They also look at the rally how many people attend that are white/black. Comments were even made in the news during the conventions. That at the republican convention very few blacks.
I just hope people would base they vote on a candidates policy views and not whether they are black, white, woman, etc.
People really need to ask themselves..if I have never seen Obama or knew he was black or a Democrat would I still vote for him. I do sometimes wonder if it would be different if he looked more "white".
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"Kill him!" ..I would associate that with thinking "treason" or dealing with terrorists.
I have heard "similar comments" on this board about Bush and Cheney..should be tried and hung for treason.

Yes, there are some that will dislike Obama because he is black. BUT I do think the percentage of voters that vote for Obama because he is black is higher than people that will not vote for him because he is black.
Did it ever occur to you that the people who are voting for him do so because they like his platform? I think some are voting for him just because he's a Democrat, but, I don't think anybody is voting for him because he's black.
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I have read that 80% of blacks are voting for Obama. I have not researched this, so do not know the factuality of it. don't think they can really say something like this until AFTER the election. Do they even keep track of each person's skin color for voting??
If people want to vote for Obama because of his skin color there are lots of people who aren't voting for him because of his skin color, some right here on this board.

Lots of people are voting for him because they believe in what he believes. I am. If his words were coming out of McCains mouth and McCain hadn't added Palin to his ticket, I would be voting for him. You can't question why someone is voting for a candidate. You can wonder about their sanity but unless you know for a fact that 80% of AA are voting for him.....well, it sounds like something that scared people say to divide the nation further.

Some conservatives can't imagine that Obama might have quality ideas and be able to lead America away from where we have been lead these last eight years. They see the White House slipping away so they start some story where it seems like the only reason he is ahead in the polls is something that McCain can't duplicate....his race.

So, once again, the entire thing comes down to race. Which of course someone will jump in here and say that it doesn't come down to race at all.....
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Did it ever occur to you that the people who are voting for him do so because they like his platform? I think some are voting for him just because he's a Democrat, but, I don't think anybody is voting for him because he's black.
Yes, some people are probably voting on his "socialist views".

But reality is also that some will not vote for him because he is black AND that some will vote for him because he is black.
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I read the same thing during the primaries with exit polls. They also look at the rally how many people attend that are white/black. Comments were even made in the news during the conventions. That at the republican convention very few blacks.
I just hope people would base they vote on a candidates policy views and not whether they are black, white, woman, etc.
People really need to ask themselves..if I have never seen Obama or knew he was black or a Democrat would I still vote for him. I do sometimes wonder if it would be different if he looked more "white".

I can't believe that I read this in print. Is it that hard for you to believe that some people hear what he has been saying and have lived through the last 8 years with a Republican president and want something different.


I don't hear anyone saying that if no one knew Palin was a woman or if they didn't know that McCain was.....whatever.....bland....a maverick (whatever that means) they wonder if they would vote Republican. People vote for whom they feel represents their thinking and who they think has the right plan.

I don't get it. I don't care if you vote for McCain or Palin. I don't agree with them but I am not going to tell you that you have drunk the Kool aid because I don't live your life and I am working to make sure that those who are undecided are informed so they can vote.

One of these candidates will win. One will win with dignity and if the other one wins, he will win with not so much. I choose to be on the side with the dignity and the respect. Of course, it is the eye of the beholder but I don't see a lot of posts about things that mean little in the real aspect of saving this country. Even McCain said you don't have anything to fear from an Obama presidency. If that is so, why all the fear mongering amongst his followers?

The best way to tell if someone feels they are fighting a losing battle is to watch them pull out all the stops, stomp their feet, pick little issues that won't solve any problems apart.....sort of like the Republicans now.
I feel for John McCain. He has let the genie out of the bottle and now must realize that he runs a real risk of losing this race. On Nov. 5, the party must have a reason that they lost the white house......what will it be.......Palin? Black people voting for only black people? It couldn't be that at this time more people saw that the Democrats have the best ticket, could it?



(saying that all black people will vote for Obama is like saying all women will vote for Palin. which is of course what McCain thought, but he was wrong. Women are smarter than that and so are most people of color)
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Did it ever occur to you that the people who are voting for him do so because they like his platform? I think some are voting for him just because he's a Democrat, but, I don't think anybody is voting for him because he's black.
If you truly think that he's not getting some people's votes JUST because he's black, then you are either incredibly naive or incredibly stupid.

Just like, McCain will get a certain number of voters simply because he has a woman for his running mate!

I honestly can not believe that anyone doesn't believe that there are a few who are voting strictly based on race or gender.....
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I think some are voting for him just because he's a Democrat, but, I don't think anybody is voting for him because he's black.
Apparently you didn't catch this video in another thread:

YouTube - Pt. 1 Barack Obama Supporters Unleashed!
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I have read that 80% of blacks are voting for Obama. I have not researched this, so do not know the factuality of it. don't think they can really say something like this until AFTER the election. Do they even keep track of each person's skin color for voting??
There was a poll on the front page of our newspaper that showed 98% of blacks were voting for him!
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Apparently you didn't catch this video in another thread:

YouTube - Pt. 1 Barack Obama Supporters Unleashed!
And of course it is obvious to all intelligent people that these less than 10 people represent ALL of the people who will be casting votes this November for Senator Obama......

Then, just as obviously, all McCain supporters are represented by this stunning little video......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm8z3...eature=related

Yes, all intelligent people MUST, therefore,
conclude that both of these videos represent the entirety of the populations of democrats and republicans......

Riiiggghhttt........
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And of course it is obvious to all intelligent people that these less than 10 people represent ALL of the people who will be casting votes this November for Senator Obama......

Then, just as obviously, all McCain supporters are represented by this stunning little video......

YouTube - Redneck goes off on Obama

Yes, all intelligent people MUST, therefore,
conclude that both of these videos represent the entirety of the populations of democrats and republicans......

Riiiggghhttt........

but this is exactly what was insinuated in this post...I didn't see you defending it...


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And of course it is obvious to all intelligent people that these less than 10 people represent ALL of the people who will be casting votes this November for Senator Obama......

Then, just as obviously, all McCain supporters are represented by this stunning little video......

YouTube - Redneck goes off on Obama

Yes, all intelligent people MUST, therefore,
conclude that both of these videos represent the entirety of the populations of democrats and republicans......

Riiiggghhttt........
That clip was reposted in response to KVMJ saying that people are not voting for Obama just due to his skin color. Clearly some are.

And, DITTO to what Kolu said above.
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IMO If Obama looked like his white mother Hillary would be the democrat nominee for President. He would never of been considered "black" if he looked white. The first "women" President was a much much lower priority then the first "black" President was to the democrat party.
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but this is exactly what was insinuated in this post...I didn't see you defending it...


http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...961-scary.html
First of all, I am NOT on this board to do your bidding....so don't try and put demands on me.

Secondly, if you will go back to your own link, I never posted on that thread (because I never subscribed or even opened that thread till you put a link in here). Again, you do not dictate what I read or respond to on this forum.

In any case, I was responding to another just as ridiculous YouTube link posted on THIS thread. Any idiot can make a YouTube video....these do not mean they are valid...in either case.
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In any case, I was responding to another just as ridiculous YouTube link posted on THIS thread. Any idiot can make a YouTube video....these do not mean they are valid...in either case.
What was so ridiculous about the You Tube video link I posted??? The woman is clearly pointing to her (black) hand, when asked why she is voting for Obama. AGAIN....KVMJ said people are not voting for Obama based on his skin color. AGAIN....clearly , woman in the video I posted IS. If you think that is "ridiculous" or "invalid" that's your deal.
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What was so ridiculous about the You Tube video link I posted??? The woman is clearly pointing to her (black) hand, when asked why she is voting for Obama. AGAIN....KVMJ said people are not voting for Obama based on his skin color. AGAIN....clearly , woman in the video I posted IS. If you think that is "ridiculous" or "invalid" that's your deal.
What is ridiculous is insinuating that this means that ALL people of color will be voting for Senator Obama because he and they are black. THAT is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as it would be for me to assume that ALL people voting for McCain are as ignorant as the views presented by the second video. Pretty obvious to me.....
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What is ridiculous is insinuating that this means that ALL people of color will be voting for Senator Obama because he and they are black. THAT is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as it would be for me to assume that ALL people voting for McCain are as ignorant as the views presented by the second video. Pretty obvious to me.....
Where did I say everyone black was voting for Obama???
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Where did I say everyone black was voting for Obama???
You didn't
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Of course there are people that will base their vote on race. I'm surprised anyone would doubt that.

There are some (both white and black) that will vote for Obama simply because they are excited about the possibility of a black president. But I highly doubt they would have otherwise voted for McCain. I don't see any staunch conservatives handing their vote to a liberal candidate based simply on skin color. I would guess that those few that are voting for Obama based only on color, probably don't usually vote.


Don't think for a minute though, that there aren't long time democrats that refuse to vote for Obama because he's black. They're out there, I've talked to them...a lot. Some of these people will switch to McCain, some will go 3rd party, and some just won't bother to vote.



One group will make up for the other and it will probably all even out.
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O here I go ahead, what is so wrong with Obama receiving votes from Black African Americans....Whether Black, White , Red , Green or Blue . I am not talking about people who came from other countries, I am talking about Black African Americans who have lived there entire lives here, they deserve to have a man of their color be elected . Afterall since George Washington who was our first president , there has never been a BlacK African American as a president, that being said I wish for any and all people of all races and nations and countries deserve to be elected and given the chance. Just like I hope one day we will have our first Women president. On a personal note someone im and asked me if I was a African American. I told them no I was not. Then they wanted to know why I was saying that I believe they deserve to become the president. My answer is its about time, all Americans regardless of color, race or creed deserve the same chance, plain and simple..... Catherine
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I guess that you haven't noticed, but most black people vote for Democrats. Democrats have a much better record on civil rights than do Republicans. Blacks are happy to have a black candidate in Obama, but it's not the only reason that they are voting for him. Blacks did not vote for Alan Keyes or Michael Steele.
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O here I go ahead, what is so wrong with Obama receiving votes from Black African Americans....Whether Black, White , Red , Green or Blue . I am not talking about people who came from other countries, I am talking about Black African Americans who have lived there entire lives here, they deserve to have a man of their color be elected . Afterall since George Washington who was our first president , there has never been a BlacK African American as a president, that being said I wish for any and all people of all races and nations and countries deserve to be elected and given the chance. Just like I hope one day we will have our first Women president. On a personal note someone im and asked me if I was a African American. I told them no I was not. Then they wanted to know why I was saying that I believe they deserve to become the president. My answer is its about time, all Americans regardless of color, race or creed deserve the same chance, plain and simple..... Catherine
..........It's not that there is anything wrong with Obama getting votes from people of any color, but based on the issues, not on his own color. I think we would all agree that everyone deserves the opportunity to run for office, but as another poster said, I don't think that affirmative action should apply to running for any office. So, we give Obama extra votes because of his color??? Because it's "about time' we have a black president??? how silly. ugh. Who CARES what color he is, I disagree with his policies. Is that ok???
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O here I go ahead, what is so wrong with Obama receiving votes from Black African Americans....Whether Black, White , Red , Green or Blue . I am not talking about people who came from other countries, I am talking about Black African Americans who have lived there entire lives here, they deserve to have a man of their color be elected . Afterall since George Washington who was our first president , there has never been a BlacK African American as a president, that being said I wish for any and all people of all races and nations and countries deserve to be elected and given the chance. Just like I hope one day we will have our first Women president. On a personal note someone im and asked me if I was a African American. I told them no I was not. Then they wanted to know why I was saying that I believe they deserve to become the president. My answer is its about time, all Americans regardless of color, race or creed deserve the same chance, plain and simple..... Catherine
#1--this is not a personal, I just think the content of this post is assinine!

Black Americans DESERVE to have a man of their color elected? OMG! If any one race DESERVES to have a member of their race elected it SHOULD be the Native Americans....but moving on:

Currently all Americans do have the same chances--it's what they do with those chances that matter.
Also--if a person has lived here their whole life, then they are AMERICAN. No African-American, no Chinese-Americans, etc. And when people accept that and embrace that it will be a better country.
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#1--this is not a personal, I just think the content of this post is assinine!

Black Americans DESERVE to have a man of their color elected? OMG! If any one race DESERVES to have a member of their race elected it SHOULD be the Native Americans....but moving on:

Currently all Americans do have the same chances--it's what they do with those chances that matter.
Also--if a person has lived here their whole life, then they are AMERICAN. No African-American, no Chinese-Americans, etc. And when people accept that and embrace that it will be a better country.
Can you explain why you think that Native Americans deserve to have a member of their race president? I would be interested in why anyone deserves to have someone of any race the president. I believe that an AA has every right to be president if he has the majority vote of his party and the country as well as the trust of the people that vote for him/her.

Saying that one race deserves the Presidency is like saying McCain deserves it because he is a former POW and a maverick. Or Palin deserves it because she is a woman. And a self proclaimed maverick. Or Hillary deserves it because she is a woman and lived in the white house for a while. No one deserves it, but they all have the right to it if they have earned it. And by earning it I mean by the votes of their party and the majority of the electoral votes.
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Can you explain why you think that Native Americans deserve to have a member of their race president? I would be interested in why anyone deserves to have someone of any race the president. I believe that an AA has every right to be president if he has the majority vote of his party and the country as well as the trust of the people that vote for him/her.

Saying that one race deserves the Presidency is like saying McCain deserves it because he is a former POW and a maverick. Or Palin deserves it because she is a woman. And a self proclaimed maverick.
If any one race deserves it more than the another IMHO it would be the Native Americans--this was THEIR country long before it was anyone elses (and we have all but decimated this land!). Native Americans have a far more unique set of problems than other races in that they were enslaved in their own country, the very government that was suppose to protect them killed the Native Americans off, at one point in history being an Indian was far worse than being black. Oh, and unlike other races who had a homeland that they could return to--Native Americans were treated this way in their homeland! But that's my point, no one race deserves it more than another! If the a person of Native American heritage were to run for President it would be based on their qualifications--not the fact that they were Native American (at least I hope that would be the case)

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What is ridiculous is insinuating that this means that ALL people of color will be voting for Senator Obama because he and they are black. THAT is ridiculous. Just as ridiculous as it would be for me to assume that ALL people voting for McCain are as ignorant as the views presented by the second video. Pretty obvious to me.....

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And of course it is obvious to all intelligent people that these less than 10 people represent ALL of the people who will be casting votes this November for Senator Obama......

Then, just as obviously, all McCain supporters are represented by this stunning little video......

YouTube - Redneck goes off on Obama

Yes, all intelligent people MUST, therefore,
conclude that both of these videos represent the entirety of the populations of democrats and republicans......

Riiiggghhttt........

This 'stunning little video' as you call is -- Did you even watch the entire video to the end?? She isn't supporting McCain. She's supporting Hillary Clinton!! LOL! She's a democrat!! LOL! LOL!

She's a democrat!!!!!!!
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This 'stunning little video' as you call is -- Did you even watch the entire video to the end?? She isn't supporting McCain. She's supporting Hillary Clinton!! LOL! She's a democrat!! LOL! LOL!

She's a democrat!!!!!!!
LMAO......bwahahahahahhhahhha!!!!! ahhhhhhhhh.........I'll just zip my lip over this one
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I watched the video and I have to say that I think using this against Obama is a major stretch. He's saying that community outreach programs around the country will be consulted about what the people in their communities really need. Would you be so bothered by it if it were Bush saying that churches around the country would be consulted about his faith-based bullsh*t anti-welfare program? Feh. Come up with something real.

And in the meantime, how ya feeling about your conservative Republican president turning all Socialist on you? And wanting to sit down and negotiate with the Taliban? These things don't bother you (because it's your guy who's doing it) but a man saying that he cares what the people need is an outrage?

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LMAO......bwahahahahahhhahhha!!!!! ahhhhhhhhh.........I'll just zip my lip over this one
Sorry to have to burst your NASTY gleeful mean bubble,but she supports McCain......
Here is her latest video...mean and nasty too

YouTube - Patriotic drunk rednecks EP. II The rednecks strike back
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This 'stunning little video' as you call is -- Did you even watch the entire video to the end?? She isn't supporting McCain. She's supporting Hillary Clinton!! LOL! She's a democrat!! LOL! LOL!

She's a democrat!!!!!!!
Check again, she said she VOTED for Hillary, but she is a McCain supporter....and, as you well know, IF you listened to the end, it asked who she was voting for and that was cut off However, the newest video of this stellar woman (listed in thread above) is NOT cut off...she is a McCain voter.
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Sorry to have to burst your NASTY gleeful mean bubble,but she supports McCain......
Here is her latest video...mean and nasty too

YouTube - Patriotic drunk rednecks EP. II The rednecks strike back
She wasn't supporting McCain in the video you originally posted. Had another poster not pointed it out to you, I doubt you would have known that.

The video you posted isn't even the same woman........ you should have done your research BEFORE posting the first video, plain and simple.
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She wasn't supporting McCain in the video you originally posted. Had another poster not pointed it out to you, I doubt you would have known that.

The video you posted isn't even the same woman........ you should have done your research BEFORE posting the first video, plain and simple.
It IS the same woman--What makes you think it is not? And, the original video I saw on this was NOT cut off at the end when they asked "who are you voting for?" On the original video I saw she stated she was voting for McCain. So, when you assume things, people often assume incorrectly.
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ACORN is a good organization with decent goals. Nothing shocking here. ACORN did not cause any bank or mortgage lender to make a bad loan which is what the video claims.

Community organizers are far more in tune with the needs of people than are the corporations that shaped the agenda for this last administration.
Nope. . .ACORN is a few people getting rich under the guise of "social justice." They are not a "good organization with decent goals." They are anything but! They don't give a rats ass about the people they employ. They don't give a rats ass about decent goals. . .they are only concerned about how to line the Rathke family pockets.


http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_badSeed.pdf


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Rotten ACORN: America's Bad Seed

New information as of July 9, 2008: The New York Times published an explosive exposé detailing how the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) covered up nearly $1 million in embezzled funds by its founder’s brother. Read our statement about ACORN’s long history of fraud and corruption.
ACORN says it is a community group, but it is really a multi-million-dollar, multinational conglomerate. Its political agenda is driven by a relative handful of anti-corporate activists. ACORN spends millions of dollars to promote economic policies (like raising the minimum wage), but has admitted that it doesn't always want to abide by them. ACORN advocates for workers' rights and runs two unions, but has in the past fought its own employees' efforts to form a union.

ACORN's history makes for pretty interesting reading. The Clinton Administration found that ACORN was misspending government grants designed to help counsel the poor. Although it seeks minimum wage increases in cities and states across the country -- ACORN sued the state of California to get out of paying its own employees the state minimum wage.

ACORN's practices have corrupted our political process as well. It has engaged in questionable election activities for years—stretching back even to the organization's founding years in Arkansas. In recent years, as its political power has increased, so have instances of fraud.

In the past few years, it has been investigated for election fraud in at least a dozen states. Want examples?

In Florida, ACORN employees filed a false voter registration form for 68-year-old former St. Petersburg Democratic mayor Charles Schuh – amazingly, they registered him as a 30-year-old Republican woman. In Ohio, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group. In Colorado, two ex-ACORN employees were convicted of turning in false registrations. The list goes on.


In 2005, in an effort to put a wage initiative on the ballot in Albuquerque, New Mexico, ACORN employees forged thousands of fraudulent signatures. The group was involved in initiative efforts in a half-dozen states and continues to defend against a long list of charges of voter fraud and corruption.



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The Real ACORN: Anti-Employee, Anti-Union, Big-Business

Since it took root in 1970, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) has been criticized for its fraud, deception, and radical political agenda. It has been implicated in Teamsters election fraud, government-grant fraud, union busting, and it has sought an exemption from the very minimum wage laws it tries to force on everyone else. This update to the Employment Policies Institute’s May 2003 report exposes the group’s recent widespread pattern of voter fraud as it pushes an extreme agenda and hypocritical wage hikes, state by state.
New Mexico is just one of 11 states in which ACORN employees were accused of submitting blatantly false voter registration forms during the 2004 election cycle. Yet that state is an appropriate microcosm for ACORN’s practice of fraud because it has filed phony documents in two consecutive election cycles.

In 2005, four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures—including that of a county commissioner— on the group’s minimum wage ballot initiative for Albuquerque. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.”

In 2004, an ACORN employee registered a 13-year-old boy to vote. Citing this and other examples, New Mexico State Representative Joe Thompson stated that ACORN was “manufacturing voters” throughout New Mexico.

ACORN’s widespread practice of fraud was highlighted in Florida’s 2004 election, when the group led a ballot initiative seeking a $6.15 minimum wage (a rate higher than many ACORN employees are paid). A Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was “singled out” among suspected voter registration groups because it was “the common thread” in the agency’s investigations from one end of the state to another.

ACORN’s fraud in Florida was so rampant that it submitted to elections officials a false voter registration card for Charles Schuh. The 68-year-old Schuh is a former Democratic mayor of St. Petersburg, but ACORN registered the notable politician as a 30-year-old female Republican. While one may be tempted to write this off as simple sloppiness (a plausible thought, considering this is the same organization that failed to turn in thousands of voter registration cards on time, resulting in voters being denied the opportunity to participate in the primary), this is clearly another case of voter fraud. When Schuh asked to see his supposed registration card, he found that someone else had signed his name and altered his social security number.

[NOTE: This document has been updated to avoid mentioning former ACORN employee Mac Stuart, who filed but lost a lawsuit against his former employer. However, future updates will focus on ACORN’s ties to voter fraud in more than 10 states in the 2004 election, as well as widespread problems in New Mexico and Virginia in 2005.]

Download the full study in .pdf format


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That first link is from the EPI:

The Economic Policy Institute or EPI is an organization based in Washington, D.C. which concerns itself with the formulation of economic policy. It is considered to be center left in its views. It was established in 1986 by a group of economists including Jeff Faux , Barry Bluestone , Robert Kuttner , Ray Marshall, Robert Reich, and Lester Thurow. Its current president is Lawrence Mishel .

EPI states it was founded "to broaden the discussion about economic policy to include the interests of low- and middle-income workers." It states as its mission, "to provide high-quality research and education in order to promote a prosperous, fair, and sustainable economy." The organization conducts research, makes policy recommendations, and disseminates its work through various channels, including books and studies, briefing papers, a printed journal, email newsletters and RSS feed.

EPI is organized as an IRS Code Section 501(c)(3) non-profit organization and has a staff of about fifty, of whom about ten are Ph.D. researchers. Its board of directors consist largely of labor union officials. Between 1993–2003, approximately 59 percent of EPI's funding came from foundations, 29 percent from organized labor, and 6 percent from corporations and other organizations.
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I do know that the right, in particular Faux News. has heavily targeted ACORN with a great deal of misinformation. McCain, on February 20, 2006, told them they were swell. YouTube - McCainAcorn
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I do know that the right, in particular Faux News. has heavily targeted ACORN with a great deal of misinformation. McCain, on February 20, 2006, told them they were swell. YouTube - McCainAcorn
I don't see him telling ACORN they are swell. I do see ACORN sitting in a room with a lot of very worthy social groups, like Catholic Community Services. That's a shame considering what ACORN does, how it treats it's employees, how it snubs its nose at things we hold near and dear, like valid elections, how it is involved in embezzling government funds for the profit of the few within the Rathke family. ACORN is not what it appears to be at all.

Did you read the first link? The EPI is not a conservative group at all! And they have the most damaging things to say about ACORN. Groups like ACORN are really the worst in my opinion. They do bad things in the name of good. There will be a special place in hell for Mr. Rathke.
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It IS the same woman--What makes you think it is not? And, the original video I saw on this was NOT cut off at the end when they asked "who are you voting for?" On the original video I saw she stated she was voting for McCain. So, when you assume things, people often assume incorrectly.
You got caught and now you're making excuses. Why didn't you post the 'original' video that was not cut off? Excuses excuses......

BTW, on the other video you posted (which, BTW, you could hardly see her face it was so dark), if it IS the same woman, she never said she was voting for McCain. She just said something about his little pink ****!!

She's democrat and you're just too embarrassed to admit it!! LOL! LOL!
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I don't see him telling ACORN they are swell. I do see ACORN sitting in a room with a lot of very worthy social groups, like Catholic Community Services. That's a shame considering what ACORN does, how it treats it's employees, how it snubs its nose at things we hold near and dear, like valid elections, how it is involved in embezzling government funds for the profit of the few within the Rathke family. ACORN is not what it appears to be at all.

Did you read the first link? The EPI is not a conservative group at all! And they have the most damaging things to say about ACORN. Groups like ACORN are really the worst in my opinion. They do bad things in the name of good. There will be a special place in hell for Mr. Rathke.
Okay, I get it. You watch Fox news and believe everything they tell you. You read radical right wing blogs and accept innuendo as fact. You have made that clear.

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I don't see him telling ACORN they are swell. I do see ACORN sitting in a room with a lot of very worthy social groups, like Catholic Community Services. That's a shame considering what ACORN does, how it treats it's employees, how it snubs its nose at things we hold near and dear, like valid elections, how it is involved in embezzling government funds for the profit of the few within the Rathke family. ACORN is not what it appears to be at all.

Did you read the first link? The EPI is not a conservative group at all! And they have the most damaging things to say about ACORN. Groups like ACORN are really the worst in my opinion. They do bad things in the name of good. There will be a special place in hell for Mr. Rathke.
The more I am reading about ACORN the worst it gets.

Newsmax.com – More ACORN Fraud Exposed: ACORN Whistleblowers

"ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states.
Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registrations are fictitious."

Newsmax.com – Clever Obama Tries To Bury ACORN Past
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The more I am reading about ACORN the worst it gets.

Newsmax.com – More ACORN Fraud Exposed: ACORN Whistleblowers

"ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states.
Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registrations are fictitious."

Newsmax.com – Clever Obama Tries To Bury ACORN Past
Newsmax isn't a credible source at all.
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:27 PM
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Okay, I get it. You watch Fox news and believe everything they tell you. You read radical right wing blogs and accept innuendo as fact. You have made that clear.
I don't watch Fox because I don't even have cable. . .and if you think the EPI is a radical right wing blog. . .then I'm speechless.

I know first hand about ACORN because of the crap they pulled in Washington State back in our last gubernatorial race.

They are no better than those thugs that get a van load of inner city kids and drive them to surrounding neighborhoods where they have to stand outside of grocery stores at 9 or 10 o'clock at night or try chasing people down in parking lots to sell candy. Their money doesn't go to some great social programs. . .it goes directly into the pocket of the guy driving the van. And yes. . .I know first hand about them too. I had a little boy come up to me once late at night crying, "I'm cold and I'm hungry and I just want to go home." I let him use my cell phone to call his parents. I don't have any love in my heart for people like the candy selling, child labor abusers or ACORN. They do a lot of BAD things, under the guise of "good" just to line the pockets of those at the top.
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Old 10-14-2008, 01:34 PM
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Newsmax isn't a credible source at all.
I know only a liberal site is credible.

Fact is "ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states." ..You can find that information from lots of news sources online.

By the way I do read/ watch online liberal and conservative sites, also more independent sites like Cspan, PBS, etc
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I know only a liberal site is credible.

Fact is "ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states." ..You can find that information from lots of news sources online.

By the way I do read/ watch online liberal and conservative sites, also more independent sites like Cspan, PBS, etc
I have no doubt that some of the registrations are flawed. It's a very, very small percentage. ACORN is required by law to turn them in. ACORN is the entity that flagged most of the flawed applications.

My objection to the right wing "news" sources is that they are doing their level best to paint ACORN as somehow having sinister motives. They do not.

Ask yourself what happens if someone shows up at the polls registered as Mickey Mouse or tries to vote multiple times. A photo i.d. is required in order to vote.

Once again, we have a big deal being made out of nothing.
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