I saw a post in there, and I wanted to comment on it, but, the thread is now locked, so here we go....Part DEUX

Kokoisland said this:

The McCain campaign is distorting the Obama-Ayers relationship, and exaggerating their closeness. There is no evidence that Obama has "lied" about his dealings with Ayers. It would be more accurate to say that he "told the truth slowly," a regrettable but commonplace practice among politicians seeking to avoid embarrassing questions
Did Obama "lie" about Ayers? - Fact Checker


In the Obama/Acorn/Ayers thread I have a link that states the Obama camp concedes that Obama DID lie about his relationship with Ayres.

Here is the link for that.


http://iusbvision.wordpress.com/2008...rked-together/

Do you still believe he did not??? Just because Fact Checker said he didn't??? When was it that FactChecker checked that fact anyway????

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I would work with Ayers.

While I can appreciate your stand on working with Ayers, that was not the question. Do you care to answer the question?

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I did read it and my thought was, "So what?" I never heard him say one way or another whether he knew about Ayer's history before or after working with him. Ayers isn't the same person he was 40 years ago. I don't see in what universe it matter if Obama knew ahead of time.

Three of the links I referenced were posted on Oct 10th, one was posted Oct 5th. I recommend you actually read the links. From glancing at the conservative blog you reference it looks like the same old double speak. It does not reference any statement from the “Obama camp” conceding “that Obama DID lie about his relationship with Ayres”

I so TOTALLY agree with you!!!!!!

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Ayers still has many radical beliefs..and recently (in the 2000's, I think 2001) admitted he wished he had done even more than he did. Don't you understand, it's the radicals that he has aligned himself with that is the issue. That radical thinking is what scares people, if you do not fundamentally agree with that kind of thinking why are you surrounded by it eveywhere you look? People are typically drawn to like minded individuals. One or two instances, ok..but this man has shown a clear cut pattern over & over & over of his radical alliances!

I suppose you all don't have a problem with Obama associating with someone who desecrates the flag, either, do you???

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People are typically drawn to like minded individuals.
With friends like these ... -- chicagotribune.com

Look at arond paragraph 8
McCain link to group in Iran-Contra scandal resurfaces as Obama-radical connection cited -- themorningcall.com

Obama has been in politics how many short years?? He has MANY more questionable links than you can begin to put on McCain!

People are typically drawn to like minded individuals.
That is your quote not mine.

The first guy was early on in his career and he still if friendly with him.

Is anyone suprised by this comment? Of course someone who has never been proud of their country wouldn't mind working with a terrorist who bombed his own country. No shocking sentiment there.

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Oh, he sure seems to be. He says they should have planted more bombs, didn't do enough, etc. Sounds like he's still a radical left wing nut job. Gosh, I guess in 40 years it would be ok to hang around Bin Laden so long as he wasn't still planning terrorist attacks.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

Of course Ayers stated that he wished he had done more. We all did. My God, we were being slaughtered in Vietnam. We should have had protests every single day.

But, please elaborate. Which of Ayers current views do you find to be radical?

While I'm certainly not proud of some of things this country has done (torture, attacking a country that posed no threat, disparaging our allies, slavery, genocide), I do love it.

Ayers is extremely intelligent with a lot of good ideas. As I said earlier, he is not the same man that he was 40 years ago.

I wouldn't work with a terrorist like G. Gordon Liddy. McCain calls him friend.

Nope. While I wouldn't do it myself, I regard burning the flag or standing on the flag as an expression of freedom of speech.

Besides, when you can buy something like this, what right have you got to be upset?
Flag Bikini Underwear

Ayers said “he wished the had done more” to stop the Vietnam war but McCain supporters want the twist this words to mean “he wish he had set more bombs.” The bomb he set off at the pentagon and the capitol was not intended to kill anyone and it did not. He wanted to send a message.

Somebody please tell me why it's okay for McCain to be friends with G. Gordon Liddy.

Exactly WHAT is that expressing??? That you're ashamed to be an American?? I just don't understand desecrating something that is so sacred. While a person may not agree with an administration, I would think they would always love their country and what it represents.

Sorry, this one touches a nerve with me since my relatives on both sides (inlaws included) and many very close and dear friends are willing to give up their lives for this country, and for someone to desecrate the flag....no, that is NOT right.

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I was accused by an occasional poster here of being ashamed to be American. It couldn't be farther from the truth. I am not proud of some of the things this country has done and have listed a few.

Really, would you follow along blindly going, "USA! USA!" if Bush decided to invade Canada?

Please tell me why McCain's friendship with G. Gordon Liddy doesn't bother you.

No, of course not, but, I would not desecrate the American Flag either. To me that is basically spitting in the face of every person who has served this country. There are other ways to express your disdain for something.


Because, quite honestly, I had no idea about it. Here on the boards is the first I have heard about it, and will be checking into the facts. Why haven't any politicians mentioned this???

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You watch Fox.

PALLING AROUND WITH TERRORISTS WATCH: THE MCCAIN-LIDDY MEDIA BLACKOUT

It should be noted that one of the reasons we haven’t seen anything about Liddy – who in addition to his role in the Watergate burgerly, made plans to firebomb a Washington think tank, assassinate a prominent journalist, break into the office of Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist, and kidnap anti-war protesters at the 1972 Republican convention — is because, unlike John McCain, Obama has chosen not to raise the issue of McCain and Liddy’s “close relationship.”

And of course because the liberal media is out to get John McCain.

PALLING AROUND WITH TERRORISTS WATCH: THE MCCAIN-LIDDY MEDIA BLACKOUT MEANINGFUL DISTRACTION

And while we are talking about McCains dubious associations. How about his association with an Iran-Contra Group.

Bet Fox hasn't told you about that either.

McCain Linked To Private Iran-Contra Group
Ties To Group That Supplied Aid To Rebels Re-Examined As Campaigns Probe Candidates' Pasts

McCain Linked To Private Iran-Contra Group, Ties To Group That Supplied Aid To Rebels Re-Examined As Campaigns Probe Candidates' Pasts - CBS News

No I don't actually. Why are you assuming that I do?

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McCord and Liddy were each convicted of the following counts:

Conspiring to burglarize, wiretap and electronically eavesdrop on the Democratic Party's Watergate headquarters. (Maximum penalty-five years' Imprisonment and a $10,000 fine.)

Burglarizing the Democratic headquarters with the intent to steal the property of another. (Maximum penalty-15 years imprisonment.)

Buglarizing the Democratic headquarters with the intent to unlawfully wiretap and eavesdrop. (Maximum penalty-15 years.)

Endeavoring to eavesdrop illegally. (Maximum penalty-five years' imprisonment and a $10,000 fine.)

In addition, McCord was convicted of two additional counts:

Possession of a device primarily useful for the surreptitious interception or oral communications. (Maximum penalty-five years' imprisonment and a $10,000 fine).

Possession of a device primarily useful for the surreptitious interception of wire communications. (Maximum penalty-five years' imprisonment and a $10,000 fine).

Although the total number of years Liddy could be sentenced to adds up to 50 and McCord's total sentence adds up to 60 years, neither, according to legal sources, can receive consecutive sentences for both burglary counts.

As a result, Liddy's maximum sentence could be 35 years and a $40,.000 fine and McCord's maximum could be 45 years and $60,000 fine.

That came from here: G. Gordon Liddy

He served jail time and was pardoned by Former President Jimmy Carter. I haven't done much research on him, but, does anyone know if he has apologized or does he continue to show disrespect for the USA?

Haven't checked your other link yet. Thanks for posting these. This is the type of investigation that is (IMO) very helpful.

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From the article link above:


The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. After setting up the U.S. council, Singlaub served as the international league's chairman.

McCain's tie to Singlaub's council is undergoing renewed scrutiny after his campaign criticized Obama for his link to Ayers, a former radical who engaged in violent acts 40 years ago. Over the weekend, Democratic operative Paul Begala said on ABC's "This Week" that this "guilt by association" tactic could backfire on the McCain campaign by renewing discussion of McCain's service on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, "an ultraconservative right-wing group."

In two interviews with The Associated Press in August and September, Singlaub said McCain became associated with the organization in the early 1980s as McCain launched his political career. McCain was elected to the U.S. House in 1982.

Singlaub said McCain was a supporter but not an active member.

"McCain was a new guy on the block learning the ropes," Singlaub said. "I think I met him in the Washington area when he was just a new congressman. We had McCain on the board to make him feel like he wasn't left out. It looks good to have names on a letterhead who are well-known and appreciated.

"I don't recall talking to McCain at all on the work of the group," Singlaub said.

McCain has said he resigned from the council in 1984 and asked in 1986 to have his name removed from the group's letterhead.

"I didn't know whether (the group's activity) was legal or illegal, but I didn't think I wanted to be associated with them," McCain said in a 1986 newspaper interview.

Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986. Nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group's day-to-day activities.

"That's a surprise to me," Singlaub said. "This is the first time I've ever heard that. There may have been someone in his office communicating with our office."

"I don't ever remember hearing about his resigning, but I really wasn't worried about that part of our activities, a housekeeping thing," said Singlaub. "If he didn't want to be on the board that's OK. It wasn't as if he had been active participant and we were going to miss his help. He had no active interest. He certainly supported us."

On Tuesday, the McCain campaign addressed the resignation by saying that the candidate disassociated himself from "one Arizona-based group when questions were raised about its activities."

Taking an opportunity to attack the Obama-Biden ticket, the McCain campaign added that as a House member and later as a senator, McCain fought against communist influence in Central America while Sen. Joe Biden tried to cut off money for anti-communist forces in El Salvador and Nicaragua.

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[quote=sharkiz1;3060013]Obama has chosen not to raise the issue of McCain and Liddy’s “close relationship.”


Yes because the Messiah is so perfect and humble, he would never want to discredit anyone.......yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.......If you really believe that, I have some swamp land,,,blah blah blah.....Have you seen some of Obama's ads against McCain???? Aparently not...if there were something to this you bet your sweet butt Obama would be all over it....Honestly some of you people act like he is Jesus Christ himself....perfect in every way....It makes blood want to shoot right out of my eyes!!!!!!!!!!!Sherri

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Of course they dont..you have to have respect for the flag first.....Sherri

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The only one who keeps referring to Obama as the Messiah is YOU. The only one who keeps saying he is Jesus Christ is YOU! The only one who says he is perfect in every way is YOU!

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[quote=usnamom;3060159]No that is how he is referred to by the media and most dems...just one example
Smith College Editor: 'Obama Is My Jesus' | NewsBusters.org

People act like he is perfect.....pure as the driven snow...its insane...Sherri

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[quote=sher218;3060165]Please, you give one example and suddenly all the media and most of the dems.

No one acts like he is perfect any more than those people who are voting for McCain/Palin believe that they are perfect. You just have a bug up your butt about Obama for a reason that is suspect anyway and you post only to give your "unbiased" opinion about who thinks Obama is the Messiah. No one here has said he is perfect nor has anyone said that he is like Christ. I said once before that I thought you had some serious issues and you told me that you did. I believe it now.

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[quote=sher218;3060165]That is very much a lie. Most democrats do not refer to Obama in that way. Have you seen anyone on here refer to him as such besides you and those like you. NO. You have not. I listen to all the news channels (even Fox to see how they are spinning things) and I have never heard a democrat on any of them refer to Obama like that. I repeat, I have only heard it from you on here and from LF from the link you posted.

[quote=sharkiz1;3060187]PLEASE, note that this was not posted by me....

I can't take credit for Sher's gibble gabble about Obama. Please don't think I posted this.

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"gibble gabble"

[quote=sher218;3060153]I just wanted to reply that yes, I have heard a lot of Obamas AND McCains ads. I am in NC and for the first time ever(or at least since 1976) we are a battleground state. McCains ads are all attacking Obama. The majority of Obamas are not attack ads. He mostly just tells us about the issues. Here are the 2 I have seen most lately. And by the way, the quote was not mine. It was a quote from the link I posted. Thats why it was in italics.

YouTube - Obama healthcare ad
YouTube - Barack Obama Ad - "Mother"

This is so supremely brilliant at avoiding answering the question, that I want to note it. It states that those of us who support Obama do so because we have given him the authority of the Messiah. It also says that Obama is too smart to avoid this topic if it didn't help him, or in other words, "if there were something to this you bet your sweet butt Obama would be all over it."

Any comment on the substance of the allegations here? Well, no. Trying to use slurs to diminish the other side? Yes. Using intelligence as a negative? Yes.

Absolutely brilliant, in a Roveish way. But, I think Rove did it better.

So, as I read your response, you aren't going to respond on point because those who are raising the question are stupid. And blind. Because they are following a leader that is smart, or at least smart enough to have raised the question before if it mattered. And he didn't. So, anyone who is raising it now is dumb.

Don't you see an inherent problem in this line of reasoning?

I have to say that no matter how you feel about Sherri's entire post or Obama, or McCain........the blood shooting from my eyes comment is funny. at least I thought so lol

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Protesting and bombing are two different things. So, McVeigh is a patriot in your book?

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