I have mentioned several times about Obama's "socialist views" as a reason I would not vote for him.

a blog article but a good read
AmericaWantsToKnow.com: Barack Obama explains socialism

This article is from the conservative site worldnetdaily.
The 'change' Obama brings

"The "change" he so desperately seeks is to change America from a nation that thrives on capitalism, free markets, private property and individual freedom, to a socialist nation in which government sets wages, provides housing, manages markets and dictates to every individual what may, and may not, be done."

Yeah, blogs and conservative sites....bastions of truth and impartiality......

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More socialist views from Obama's own mouth.

Obama and the Plumber

So, this administration is leaving with our gov't owning homes and banks due to capitalism and greed and McCain has agreed with it all .... funny

Pasting a label like "socialism" on the Democratic party's position just really irritates me. Do you support social security? Whoops, that's socialist. Do you think that Medicare or Medicaid is good? Whoops, socialist.

Do you favor the bailout? Whoops, socialist.

All of these points are, in fact, items upon which both candidates agree.

Just because a party might favor government intervention, doesn't make it socialist. If that was the case, I'd label the Republicans as socialist, because they have thrown money at everything, domestic and foreign, during the last decade.

Discuss the issue. Don't paste a label upon it, and say, "look, look at this label; it's bad so the position is bad."

It's a cop out for me.

Personally, I wish we had never come to rely on government for social security or health care in the first place for those very reasons. They're more socialist -leaning than I believe is beneficial. I think social security in particular lulls people into a false assumption that they'll be okay when they retire regardless of any planning they might fail to do.

You forgot the insurance company.

Yes, I am against all the above that you listed.
I do not believe in the "safety nets" because in the end result you are hurting the poor the most.
YouTube - On Safety Nets

Uh, let's see. He claims that we shouldn't provide safety nets for the poor because it runs up the national debt. Hmm. Yet it was a conservative who drove up the national debt to $5.7 trillion. He didn't spend it on the poor:

Bush did three things to skyrocket the debt from $5.7 trillion to $10 trillion:
1. He lowered taxes on the rich (by far the biggest item).
2. He invaded Iraq instead of winning in Afghan-Pakistan (another $600 B).
3. He loosened controls on Wall Street.

Where is Paul's data that indicates that safety nets hurt the poor? He just states that it is and you take it as fact?! Show me the data please.

3. doesn't actually have anything to do with the national debt. Another big factor, however, is the use of private contractors who were awarded contracts without bidding. We used them not only in Iraq but in the work done in New Orleans. All have overcharged. All are GOP cronies.

If Barak gets his hand on the economy, I fear that change is exactly what we'll have.

In our pockets.

Just a little coin and not many bills....

Sorry..I have not had time to answer for a while. Had to go down the road ...one of the dump trucks broke down.

First Ron Paul does not agree with Bush on very many things. Paul was against this bailout and voted against it both times. Paul voted against the Iraqi War. He also votes against funding the war.

It is not so much the national debt as it is the fact of inflation. The poor people are effected by inflation the most.
We are pouring money (this is inflation) into the system at record breaking amounts every day. The cost of living (result of inflation) will continue to go up. Poor people have it harder than anyone to manage with extremely high prices.
Poor people do not pay as much in taxes BUT they still have to pay the same amount of money for things (food, engery, heat, etc) as everyone else.
Giving them more money(foodstamps, welfare, etc) isn't the answer because the government at this point has to "borrow" the money or raise taxes (yes, on the middle class also not just the rich people). The cycle keeps going on and on.

A good place to start looking for data is Ross Perot website.
Perot Charts » Charting Government Fiscal Irresponsibility

Bush didn't do #1 and #2 alone. . .don't forget that none of that could have been possible without the approval of Congress.

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