Connect the dots on Bill Ayers - St. Petersburg Times

Yikes! Lots of important influential people. I am guessing that the Secret Service ought to watch them verrry carefully. That Rabbi might just blow up something. (heavy sarcasm)

Thanks for finding that article. Wish you could forward it on to Sarah Palin so she could see it. But I forgot, this may not be one of the vast amounts of media she actually reads. She didn't mention it by name so the St. Petersburg Times may not be one of them. Oh yeah, she didn't mention any by name. I forgot.

Sometimes I crack myself up!

You just made me laugh......

NONE of those other people mentioned in the article are running for president. Ayres is a person who said he wished he'd done more in regards to the bombings, and has NEVER apologized or shown remorse. Not to mention desecrating the American Flag, But, I guess that is considered freedom of speech.

If you read some of the comments, there are even more people brought into the cespool of Obama's acquaintances.

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He said that he wish he would of done more to stop the vietnam war. They may not be running for President, but there was a Senator and a defense contractor.....

Mccain is,and he has some ????people in his closet.

So, if Ayres apologized or showed remorse, you would give Obama a pass? And it is freedom of speech to burn the American Flag. I wouldn't do it but I also know that 40 years ago, it was a common thing to do to protest the Vietnam war. I guess it is like sitting in front of abortion clinics carrying a sign to protest abortions.

I would be a little more able to see where Obama was coming from in associating with a person like this, yes. But, Obama has basically lied about his relationship with Ayres from the beginning. If Ayres is so wonderful and well respected, why not just say, "yeah, I'm friends with him, blah, blah, blah....."

This picture does not appear to be from 40 years ago.

Obama’s Friend Bill Ayres Desecrates A Flag | THE HOT JOINTS


You're not making a disrespectful statement about your country by picketing an abortion clinic. Big difference there. I know I'll never change your mind. Hell, I'd settle for you saying you can see the other side of the coin, but, that isn't going to happen either.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

But I have said I can see the other side. I have said that I don't distrust McCain. I would vote for him if I thought he had a plan that I could get on board with. I know there are two candidates and of those two candidates, I can only vote for one. I am not trying to put your candidate down by posting things that question his judgement (except for the Palin pick). I figure that you can vote for whomever you want to based on where you are in life at this time. That is the American way. I am against the tone of the race at this time but I have made up my mind. I hope that lots of people have and will be ready to respect whomever comes up the winner. I have said it again. To vote for someone is not to do so because you hate someone else. It doesn't have to be I vote for the Democratic Candidate because I hate the Republicans.

These people disagree with your assertion that Obama lied.

FactCheck.org: "He Lied" About Bill Ayers?

There you go again with that crazy, liberal, fact checking place

Ayres ghost wrote "Dreams of My Father." So I guess that "guy in my neighborhood" thing was kinda a lie. . My whole problem with this, is why lie at all? Just state your real relationship with the guy and let people be the judge. Just be forthright. If you can't. . .then yeah, I'm going to question everything else you have to say.

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/..._not_write.htm

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/...rs_write_2.htm

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/...rs_write_3.htm

http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/..._candidate.htm

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Other than this, what proof do you have of this? Other than someones guess. I could be suspicious about McCain's book Faith of my Father. How on earth do you suppose he wrote it when he can't use the computer or a typewriter? Do you think he used a ghost writer? Seems just as plausible.

Obama is a lawyer, taught to write and express himself well. He was the editor of the Harvard Law Review where I suppose he had to write a bit which would help him later be able to write a book.

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Ugh. I labored my way through each of these links and I don't see where they support your premise that "Ayers ghost wrote 'Dreams of My Father.'"

I don't see it. If I am missing some really deep seated conspiracy, maybe you could sum it up.

It is escaping me.

I don't know that McCain didn't have a ghostwriter. If you read the links, you will see that Obama never wrote one thing for the Harvard Law Review. There are only like 3 things ever attributed to him writing before Dreams and they were all pretty awful.

The fact is that Obama never was a good writer. That's the whole point of these links. It's difficult to prove any of it. . .but there is some compelling evidence. This Cashill is a ghostwriter. . .it's what he does and he has put some time and study into Obama's Dreams and Ayres memoires. There are just too many similarities. . .analogies, ect. Btw. . .Ayres is an excellent writer.

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There are lots of shared analogies in Dreams and Ayres memoires. The whole seafaring analogies that are repeated in Dreams are related to Ayres experiences as a young merchant seaman. I don't ever recall Obama being a merchant seaman. Like I said. . .no "proof" but coming from a professional ghostwriter. . .I have to put some weight in that he knows what he is talking about. Go ahead and find me something Obama wrote and published before Dreams that shows what a great writer he was. . .you won't find anything. He wrote a really awful poem once. . .

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I expected more out of you, my friend. This seems like reaching which looks like desperation. I get that you want McCain to win or whomever as long as it isn't Obama. Why is it that there are posting after posting after posting that are non productive about Obama. I don't see to many really that are about McCain and there should be.....he has some serious character flaws that I consider unsavory. But I don't care. I am listening to what the candidates are saying and I believe that the last eight years are enough. I like the things that Obama is saying and not one little inuendo or might be or looks like it could be or wish it were so will change that and from what I can tell lots of others as well. Truly, if McCain had the plan that Obama has and didn't have Palin on the ticket, I would be ignoring the fact that he is a serial adulterer and some other things about who he pals around with.

The closer we get to the election, the more things seem to spin out of control. I feel like I should get my little tin foil hat on because reading this board, there are conspiracies at every turn....people writing books for other people, people not being born where they should be, people who are secret terrorists. It is almost laughable. No, it is laughable.

The entire thing boils down to two things....either you like McCain's platform or you like the Democrat Platform. That is how you vote. Doing all this is divisive and isn't going to change anyones mind. But you guys keep on posting and I am going to get some little aluminum hats for you. I think I have them from the last election.

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That's it? Obama sucked as a writer and Ayers didn't? There are shared analogies?

For god sakes.

The last time that we relied on the absence of evidence we got into Iraq.

Shall we talk about weapons of mass destruction?

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Ok. . .here are his poems. . .ugh!:



POP
Sitting in his seat, a seat broad and broken

In, sprinkled with ashes,

Pop switches channels, takes another

Shot of Seagrams, neat, and asks

What to do with me, a green young man

Who fails to consider the

Flim and flam of the world, since

Things have been easy for me;

I stare hard at his face, a stare

That deflects off his brow;

I'm sure he's unaware of his

Dark, watery eyes, that

Glance in different directions,

And his slow, unwelcome twitches,

Fail to pass.

I listen, nod,

Listen, open, till I cling to his pale,

Beige T-shirt, yelling,

Yelling in his ears, that hang

With heavy lobes, but he's still telling

His joke, so I ask why

He's so unhappy, to which he replies...

But I don't care anymore, cause

He took too damn long, and from

Under my seat, I pull out the

Mirror I've been saving; I'm laughing,

Laughing loud, the blood rushing from his face

To mine, as he grows small,

A spot in my brain, something

That may be squeezed out, like a

Watermelon seed between

Two fingers.

Pop takes another shot, neat,

Points out the same amber

Stain on his shorts that I've got on mine, and

Makes me smell his smell, coming

From me; he switches channels, recites an old poem

He wrote before his mother died,

Stands, shouts, and asks

For a hug, as I shink,* my

Arms barely reaching around

His thick, oily neck, and his broad back; 'cause

I see my face, framed within

Pop's black-framed glasses

And know he's laughing too.




UNDERGROUND

Under water grottos, caverns

Filled with apes

That eat figs.

Stepping on the figs

That the apes

Eat, they crunch.

The apes howl, bare

Their fangs, dance,

Tumble in the

Rushing water,

Musty, wet pelts

Glistening in the blue.



And here's a link to a chapter he wrote in some book:
Obama writes chaper on community organizing

He's not a great writer. In the end I could care less if Dreams was ghostwritten. . .as it surely was. I do think it's hilarious that it is probable that it was written by Ayres. . .who's an excellent writer.

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I know. I know. Those pesky facts just ruin everything. Particularly when they don't agree with what you want to believe.

Haven't you guys figured out yet that because someone is guessing it is so, presto, it is so. Because someone, who I must assume is a literary agent, hence quite well-qualified to know what is a well-written poem/book/article, SAYS there was probably a ghost writer, because of that qualified editor/literary agent's words, it must be TRUE! You know that your own feelings can't count nearly as much.........sheesh

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Have the courage to be yourself.

It's because we all belong to that cult of blind followers that hang on Obama's every word.

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