Ok, I know....the Birth Certificate issue is being beat to death, HOWEVER....... I saw this copy of Obama's "certification of Live Birth"
http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFil...tificate_3.jpg


Ok, now......... if you look at the bottom left, it says "date filed by Registrar" . Well, my DD was born in Hawaii, and has a "Certification of Live Birth" and where Obama's says "Date filed by Registrar" my DD's says "Date Accepted by State Registrar"

Does anyone know why? I am not being snarky, I am being very serious

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I was born in Hawaii and my birth certificate looks nothing like this one. That must mean my parents lied to me to hide my real place of birth and Islamic heritage so that I could one day be eligible to be President, right?

I or anyone else born in Hawaii can request a new copy of a birth certificate; this is clearly a crisp, new copy, and apparently the format has changed somewhat over the years.

oh, funny, I never said old my DD is...... I wonder if whoever requested the copy of Obama's also got the "official receipt" that states WHERE the birth actually took place.

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Whereas the uncertified Obama document provides the date "filed by
registrar", the certified DeCosta document provides the date "accepted
by the registrar." The difference between filing an application for a
Certification of Live Birth and having it accepted may be key here

that came from this sight:
! Hawaii Department of Health PROVES Obama Birth Certificate FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!

again, I prefer to do my own thorough research to find what is true and what is not.

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This is totally off the thread subject but this caught my eye at the bottom of the above link.


Googled a a bit and the history/ties of 9 Net Avenue is verrrrrrrrry interesting IMO anyway.

Pardon the interruption and do carry on with the search for the Senator's real country of birth.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Grasping at straws again, but, whatever fills the need.....

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Nobody is grasping at anything. It's a requirement layed out in our Constitution. When I register my kids for school I had to provide a birth certificate. . .I wanted Basic Health for them through the state. . .I had to provide a birth certificate. It just seems that it would make sense that when you "file" for a presidential candidacy that you would have to provide the necessary paperwork. I don't know. . .do they have to file somewhere like you do for local elections? Why not just have to provide a birth certificate then? We wouldn't have to go through all of this mess if that was the case. It's frustrating! If it's such a non-issue then just provide the damn thing to the court authorities!

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Wouldn't it be something if the women at MyCoupons were able to solve this "riddle" that seems to consume and the entire rest of those in charge of the election rules and regs did not? What do you rhing the odds of that are...that the people who have the job of ensuring that the ones who are running for office qualify cannot figure it out but housewives on a coupon board can. And that is another example of sarcasm for those who are keeping track.

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Honestly, don't you think if Obama was not eligible for presidency the GOP would have already discovered it? I'm sure they did a lot of research.

Personally, I am sceptical about the "Registration of Live Birth" - If he was born outside the US he would not be able to become president because his mother would have to prove she lived in the US for at least 5 years prior to Obama's birth.

And the brew-ha-ha was that he was born in Kenya and when they went to Hawaii they had his birth recorded, but he was not born there. Who knows if the previous thought is correct...If so, no one has been able to prove it.

Here is a close-up of the Registation

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But see. . .the problem is there isn't anybody that ensures these things. If there is a question about it a lawsuit has to be brought and it has to go through the court system. I really don't think it's a big issue. . .Obama's not a terrorist. . .blah blah blah

BUT!!!

If you apply for a job and there are job requirements you have to fulfil. . . teaching certificate, MD liscense, etc. Shouldn't you have to provide those to the authorities without someone having to sue you first?

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Exactly....

The Republicans have been all over this for years....if there was evidence that he was not eligible, I am SURE it would have come out during the last few years in a big way. As a matter of fact, I would be willing to bet that John McCain would be showing up tonight with a T Shirt proclaiming it tonight at the debates. I don't think it is an issue and I don't think that anyone has ever had to produce their birth certificate when they have run in the past. It is just a way to hassle him, and place doubt in the minds of people of whether he is "one of us" and not "one of them".

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Exactly....


oops I repeated myself.

Fascinating to watch the McCain supporters get their panties into a bunch over this. It's so apparent that they know that their cause is lost, their man is a joke and their VP candidate is a lying sack of unethical crap. And so they stir the mud over hateful allegations that aren't supported by a single shred of evidence.

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A suggestion..Obama should provide the evidence..a birth certificate in court. Seems so easy.
Nothing hateful. Just provide proof that he meets all the requirements to become President. Why does anyone say that is hateful?

I absolutely hate to get drawn into your comments, but why all the hostility? It's been a calm discussion and then you have to come in and spoil it...again.

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One could take the stance of : If he has nothing to hide why not just provide the "proof". Of course, I can also see the stance of "I'm not even going to dignify that absurd allegation with a response."

Only God and Obama's mother know for 100% sure where he was born. His mother is dead, and I don't know if God feels that it is the most important thing needing to be addressed.

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So sorry, Mary. Go back to your fantasy that Obama isn't an American. I know,sometimes the lie is all you have to cling to.

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I really don't care that this applies to Obama. I think EVERYONE who runs for President should have to supply their birth certificate to prove age and citizenship. I can't imagine going to apply for a job that has basic requirements like the presidency has and not being REQUIRED to show you meet those requirements.

"Oh never mind about my teaching certificate. Here's a picture of somebody holding it on the internet. Don't you think that other teachers applying for this job would have looked into whether or not I have a valid certificate?"

It makes NO sense! How about in 4, 8, 12 years from now? Forget Obama. . . ANYONE running for President should be required to show those basic requirements when they file for office.

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Totally agree

They don't like it when we ask the Chosen One to play by the same rules as everybody else.

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You know hon, I just asked what he had to hide, if anything. Please don't put words into my mouth. If you know someone is on the fence with this election, it seems like you would want to draw them to your choice instead of alienating them.

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That's part of their game. . .hate. . .it's all about hate. . .nevermind simple requirements. . .whatever.

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Agree with you 100%. The Gop of might not of research it, but look how long Clinton stay in the primary. Do you not think she used every resource she could get her hands on? I am pretty sure her researches could tell you what you ate for breakfast this morning.

The only people I hear calling Obama the "Chosen One" &"messiah" are people that are not voting for him.

I really don't get the 'Chosen One' thing. Sure, I like, respect and admire Senator Obama. Can you not say the same for your candidate of choice? If not, perhaps you should vote third party. Is it the combination of widespread dislike of your current Republican president with widespread admiration for Barack Obama that irks you so much? Were Conservative Republicans not absolutely gaga over Bush back in the days when they still believed he wasn't an idiot and was just treated badly by the 'left wing liberal media'? Did they not think he was the man with the mandate who would whip this country into shape after that sinful Bill Clinton (y'know, the one with the surplus who maybe screwed an intern but left the rest of us alone)?

You just sound bitter when you use terms like that. Believe me, after the last eight years of what your party and your president have done to this country, I know bitter.

Maureen

Yes, I can say I like and respect McCain.

No I wasn't gaga over Bush. In fact, I never even voted for him. People on here know that I have voted Nader in the past.

The "Chosen One" thing comes from the fact that apparently nothing about Obama can ever be questioned according to his supporters without calling the person doing the questioning a racist. That's ludacris and a little scary.

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And, don't you think this just might have come up in the debates when McCain was also pressing the non-issue of Congressman Lewis and other such non-issues? He was doing all he could to make Senator Obama look bad--but all he managed to do was bring himself down further. You would have thought he got the message when his numbers took a nose dive with all his recent negative ads. If this was even a possibility, the desperate turn the McCain camp has taken against Senator Obama would have used this a million times over.

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I could really care less what the McCain camp does with it. I think if it is a job requirement, well then . . .it should be required.

I'll ask again, why on earth shouldn't ALL candidates be required to provide a birth certificate when they file??

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Which part of Obama has already provided his birth certificate is so hard for you to comprehend? Do you expect him to make a personal visit to your house to show it to you? There's not one single reputable source out in the world questioning his citizenship.

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Funny, this didn't come up in the debates last night and I would think that it would have if it was a problem.....ACORN, Ayers did, why not this is the Rep Party thought it was still an issue. Seems this board is the only ones who still have a problem.

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Posting it online on his website is not good enough.
Turning it over to the court would be perfect. Instead Obama has done everything but present it to the court. WHY, I have no clue.

I do find it amazing that Obama would rather pay an "attorney from the Council of American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) to fight the case" than just to present the paperwork that should clear this mess up very quickly.

Seems so easy....

Obama has provided a birth certificate. Why do you keep asking?

Actually, NO, it is NOT a copy of his Birth Cerificate. It is a "Certification of Live Birth".

I am still trying to find out why his has different wording than my DD's, who was born in Hawaii.

The point of all of this, for me anyway, is that I am not just taking someone's word for something. No matter what the issue is. I like the facts, and don't want to be spoonfed something by someone else. To each their own.

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I know the answer! Your husband wasn’t born in Hawaii. He was born in Kenya. There was a conspiracy by his parents to hide his birthplace so when he grew up and married you, you wouldn’t think you were marrying some foreigner. They even went so far has having a birth notice printed in the local paper…his parents sure are smart they covered all the bases!

As for Obama, the facts are out there you just choose to ignore them.

found a blurb on the net as of yesterday, this was all this person knew...
As we know, the Federal Election Commission is one of the defendants in
the Philip Berg lawsuit against Senator Barack Obama.

As of this date, 15 October, the FEC has not as yet filed its 'Response'
to the Berg lawsuit. They may respond to the Federal District Court
before next weekend.

Therefore no Court Date has been set for the Berg lawsuit to go to
trial. The trial date, if any, will almost certainly be set for after
the Elections.

X

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You're absolutely right, my DH was NOT born in Hawaii. Now, my DD, that's a different story .

Yes, the facts ARE out there, and I am not convinced we have uncovered them all. I guess you have never had anything in your life that just doesn't ring right with you, and you wonder, well, why is that??? If that's the case, lucky you.

Some people would like to research things on their own, and not follow along blindly just accepting things "because someone said so".

If you have no problem with his birth issue, just move along.

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Oops I got the wrong family member but I’m sure you get the point.

So now you are assuming that I follow along blindly without researching? I have done my research on both candidates. I would share it with you but I have this funny feeling that no matter what I say or prove it will not matter so I won’t waste my time.

No he hasn't. When I apply for a job I don't get to tell my potential employer to go look at a picture of my teaching certificate on the internet. . .I have to turn it in to the proper authorities.

I'm not asking anything different of Obama. . .turn it in to the court.

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Because he hasn't!!!

He has posted a scan of it on the internet. . . big difference.

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Ever have a hampster when you were a kid? And you put one of those wheels in there? And they would just run, and run, and run for hours.

Ah....memories....

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No kidding. . . run run run. . .why not just pony up the damn birth certificate to the proper authorities?

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Ummmmm.....yah.

I wasn't talking about Obama.

Oh, wait...that's you trying to be clever, right? Oh...silly me. Here I was total distracted by the conspiracy theory that I forgot to clarify my humor....

Run mycoupons lady, run!

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Uh. . .big DUH on that one.

And I'm not talking any kind of conspiracy. I just think that people should have to show that they meet the minimum requirements of a job. Not that hard really.

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A conspiracy theory attributes the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret and often deceptive plot by a group of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories state that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.



....oooooh, scary.

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Yes, exactly. You should have to provide your birth certificate when you file for office. It just makes sense.

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So if your doctor doesn't want to show his credentials to the medical liscensing board, anybody that questions it and would like them to have to do it is involved on conspiracy theorizing?

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I did not have a birth certificate until 8 years ago. I was born in 68 and they never sent one. My mom was sent a Record of birth. When I had my son in 1990, the same thing I had to contact vital records to get my sons birth certificate. His birth certificate could of been lost....they did move a lot when he was younger.

I know you stated that you like to get the facts yourself....but like i ask before.....Hillary fought tooth and nail.....dont you think she would of found something?????

We aren't talking about a doctor. We are talking about a birth certificate.

A birth certificate that he would have needed to get a drivers lic. That he would have needed to get into college. That most importantly, he would have needed to get a passport.

It's comical to think that at this stage of the man's career that this would come into question.

But, if you want to keep "chasing the dream" that you can find your very own October Surprise along with that crackpot with the court case even though this conspiracy theroy has been looked at up and down, then who am I to stop you.

Continue on with your agenda.

Run mycoupons lady, run. I'm happy to sit back and watch the wheel spin. I was always amused by hampsters.

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I don't have my original birth certificate either. . .I don't think that's even the question with Obama. Everyone knows he is not claiming it's the original one. In fact, 2006 I think it's suppose to be from. And that's fine. I just think that it makes NO sense that we have a Constitutional requirement to be President and nobody has to show they meet that requirement.

I don't know about Clinton. . .but it really doesn't have to do with other campaigns trying to dig stuff up. It is the fact that you should have to show you meet the requirements when you file.

Seriously, how many times are we asked to show our documentation? All the time! I just think that when a candidate files for office they should have to show theirs. Do Congressman have to show they live in their district? I think they should. Same here. . .ALL candidates should be REQUIRED to show they meet the REQUIREMENTS. I don't think that is unreasonable.

It's not even so much about Obama. Think 4, 8 or 12 yrs down the road. I think Obama makes it about Obama by not just showing he meets the requirements.

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We aren't talking about just a birth certificate. . .we are talking about it because it would be proof that you meet the requirements to be President. . .just as a doctors paperwork would show they meet the requirements to be liscensed.

I never had to show a birth certificate to get a driver's liscence or to go to college and I'm roughly the same age as Obama. So I'm not sure where you are getting that.

Again. . .nobody's saying he doesn't have a birth certificate, just that he should have to give it to the proper court authorities, as should ALL candidates.

It's funny that you think the US Constitution is an "agenda."

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I understand what you are saying. Maybe your time would be well spent on trying to get a law passed that says all candidates for public office must produce a birth certificate when filing. And don't forget to add that all these birth certificates must be considered fake until conservatives prove them legit. I say go for it.

I think that's a good idea. And nobody would be assuming it's fake if Obama just turned it in instead of posting a scan on the internet. That's the whole point.

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If you didn't have to show your birth certificate when you were 15/16 years old to get your driving permit---how did you prove how old you were? I'm not that much younger than Obama, and I lived in backwater, AR, where the Mayor was the constable and also performed the driving test (and he had known me all my life) but yet, I still had to produce a certified copy of my birth certificate to get my license. Maybe other places don't require it, but 22 years ago Arkansas did.
Furthermore, I believe that I had to have a copy of my birth certificate for college admission--I could be wrong on this one. There was a lot of paperwork in applying for admission.

Social Security cards are of really no value to establish age or citizenship as they can be issued at any time in a person's life. HOWEVER, I believe to get a SS card, you do have to provide a birth certificate.
I'm all about conspiracy theories, and I am not an Obama fan--but dammit, this whole birth certificate thing is just a non-issue!

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I think it's all a moot point, even if he was technically not a US citizen, I believe it would be covered up on many levels, can you imagine the chaos & riots if he was pulled from elligibility to run at this point? It probably scares the republicans in washington more than the democrats...you know it would be another "stolen" election, legal or not.

In Washington we took driver's ed in school and there was a certificate that we got when we completed that. We showed that at the DMV. . .I'm assuming that the DMV assumes that the school verifies your age.

As far as the SS card, yes you have to show the birth certificate. I don't know if that is proof of being a natural born citizen though. That was kind of my point about having to show it for other things. Yes you have to show it, but I don't think they verify "natural born citizenship" which is the requirement for President. So the fact that Obama has gotten a SS card or a passport still doesn't prove the "natural born" part.

I think it's pretty much a non-issue too. BUT that's part of the reason it puzzles me that he just doesn't provide it to the courts. Seriously, why wouldn't he?

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Noooooo...this is much more fun!

(pssst....and you do have to produce proof of citizenship when you run for Senate in Illinois per the guidelines of the Sec of State. But, people seem to forget that he's a Senator...you would think that the natural born vs. not natural born or fake documentation would have been in question then......but, enough about that who-ha...let's get back to the fun...)

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Then why doesn't the Sec of State from Illinios just come forward and say that. . .show what they have?

Better yet. . .forward what they have to the court authorities and we can be done with it.

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Because maybe they are all part of the big conspiracy.

Why don't you call them and ask? And while you are at it, see if you can clear up what happened on the grassy knoll, area 51, oh...and ask them about Jimmy Hoffa, too. I would love the answer on that one.

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Uh. . .cause it's not my burden of proof. I'm not running for President. If I was I would just pony up my birth certificate.

But thanks for contributing.

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my pleasure

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Because he can't remember.... selective memory....

Was young Obama Indonesian citizen?


You'd think if you go by a name at school for a few years, then you'd remember to put it on your application...
http://www.politifact.com/media/files/obamaattyreg.pdf


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