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Old 10-18-2008, 03:10 AM
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Stossel's Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics

Did anybody else watch this? Discuss. . .

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 1 of 6

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 2 of 6

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 3 of 6

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 4 of 6

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 5 of 6

YouTube - 20/20 - Politically Incorrect Guide To Politics - Pt. 6 of 6


I found part 3 and part 5 VERY interesting. But I thought it was all good.
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Old 10-18-2008, 08:42 AM
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Thank-you for posting those links!
Stossel's show did a great job explaining why "big" government is not the answer to our problems.
I like listening to Walter Williams, he is one of the economists that explains stuff in everyday terms.
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"The worst thing you can say about libertarians is that they are intellectually immature, frozen in the worldview many of them absorbed from reading Ayn Rand novels in high school. Like other ideologues, libertarians react to the world's failing to conform to their model by asking where the world went wrong. Their heroic view of capitalism makes it difficult for them to accept that markets can be irrational, misunderstand risk, and misallocate resources or that financial systems without vigorous government oversight and the capacity for pragmatic intervention constitute a recipe for disaster. They are bankrupt, and this time, there will be no bailout."
How the financial collapse killed libertarianism. - By Jacob Weisberg - Slate Magazine
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Old 10-18-2008, 12:58 PM
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"The worst thing you can say about libertarians is that they are intellectually immature, frozen in the worldview many of them absorbed from reading Ayn Rand novels in high school. Like other ideologues, libertarians react to the world's failing to conform to their model by asking where the world went wrong. Their heroic view of capitalism makes it difficult for them to accept that markets can be irrational, misunderstand risk, and misallocate resources or that financial systems without vigorous government oversight and the capacity for pragmatic intervention constitute a recipe for disaster. They are bankrupt, and this time, there will be no bailout."
How the financial collapse killed libertarianism. - By Jacob Weisberg - Slate Magazine

So you think that the government is doing a better job building homes in New Orleans than Habit for Humanity?

You think that it's ok for that very wealthy farmer to get all those subsidies? And for those people to get them with their house, even though they don't farm?

It's ok for the campaign finance reform bill to be so thick and complicated as to discourage the average person from running for office?

Show me one time in history where bigger government was the answer to people's problems.

As an example. . .my ex-inlaws live in Germany. They wanted to put 3 stepping stones in their backyard, but they had to get some kind of permit and their neighbors had to agree. They didn't get the permit so they couldn't. Three stepping stones in their own yard that is seperated from their neighbors by a fence!?

Or my ex's best friend. . .his work had a picnic so they pulled a table outside. Some passerby asked if they had a scheffleggagenehmaguhn (sp) for that, a permit. They weren't allowed to pull out a table onto their own property for an impromptu picnic! I think that's ridiculous! Believe what you want, but I think you're wrong.
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:16 PM
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So you think that the government is doing a better job building homes in New Orleans than Habit for Humanity?

You think that it's ok for that very wealthy farmer to get all those subsidies? And for those people to get them with their house, even though they don't farm?

It's ok for the campaign finance reform bill to be so thick and complicated as to discourage the average person from running for office?

Show me one time in history where bigger government was the answer to people's problems.

As an example. . .my ex-inlaws live in Germany. They wanted to put 3 stepping stones in their backyard, but they had to get some kind of permit and their neighbors had to agree. They didn't get the permit so they couldn't. Three stepping stones in their own yard that is seperated from their neighbors by a fence!?

Or my ex's best friend. . .his work had a picnic so they pulled a table outside. Some passerby asked if they had a scheffleggagenehmaguhn (sp) for that, a permit. They weren't allowed to pull out a table onto their own property for an impromptu picnic! I think that's ridiculous! Believe what you want, but I think you're wrong.
I am not desirous of having a bigger government; never have been. I am desirous of not spending this country into oblivion.

I do not approve of subsidies. I especially do not approve of the subsidies given to corn farmers to promote an not very healthy food.

You'll have to talk to John McCain about the current campaign finance laws.

For those who cling tight to the "trickle down" theory of economics. how do you explain the deficit? Bush cut taxes, a little for the middle class, a lot for the rich (twice). Enormous profits were generated.
He inherited a surplus. Revenues decreased every year that those tax cuts were extended.

According to your theory, those tax cuts and deregulation should hae raised revenues. They most assuredly did not.
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Old 10-18-2008, 01:30 PM
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I am not desirous of having a bigger government; never have been. I am desirous of not spending this country into oblivion.

I do not approve of subsidies. I especially do not approve of the subsidies given to corn farmers to promote an not very healthy food.

You'll have to talk to John McCain about the current campaign finance laws.

For those who cling tight to the "trickle down" theory of economics. how do you explain the deficit? Bush cut taxes, a little for the middle class, a lot for the rich (twice). Enormous profits were generated.
He inherited a surplus. Revenues decreased every year that those tax cuts were extended.

According to your theory, those tax cuts and deregulation should hae raised revenues. They most assuredly did not.

Simply put. . .Bush did not deregulate. Government grew bigger under him than just about anybody. That's why government spending grew. I am supporting less government. . .less taxes and less spending.

I will ask McCain about the current campaign finance laws. . .while the idea of reform is a good one the way the government goes about doing anything always gets ugly. Just like the idea of a universal health care is a good idea. . .but the way the government will go about doing it will be ugly.

I agree with you on the farm subsidies. . .especially corn. We will have to ask Obama about that since he supports them and McCain does not.
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I think that Habitat does a better job of rebuilding than the government. Bush is a Republican. Republicans claim to hate government. They do not govern well.
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Old 10-18-2008, 08:01 PM
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I thought it was a really good and informative hour. I like Stossel because he tells it like it is!
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Old 10-20-2008, 05:32 AM
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I wouldn't waste time watching Stossel. I know from some of his previous shows that he's dishonest in presenting information. He's as much a straight shooter as O'Reilly is.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:56 PM
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I wouldn't waste time watching Stossel. I know from some of his previous shows that he's dishonest in presenting information. He's as much a straight shooter as O'Reilly is.

This doesn't surprise me. Stossel speaks the truth and we know you liberals can't handle the truth.
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Old 10-20-2008, 09:38 PM
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Can you please give me any form of government that worked well when trickle up was tried?

I'll tell you what happened with Bush..he was that daddy who spoiled his children & never said no to congress...it started almost immmediately when he got into office with Ted Kennedys no child left behind bill and continued non stop. each and every single time he reached across to the other side the only thing it got him was more debt & another kick in the head from the very people he was reaching to.

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I am not desirous of having a bigger government; never have been. I am desirous of not spending this country into oblivion.

I do not approve of subsidies. I especially do not approve of the subsidies given to corn farmers to promote an not very healthy food.

You'll have to talk to John McCain about the current campaign finance laws.

For those who cling tight to the "trickle down" theory of economics. how do you explain the deficit? Bush cut taxes, a little for the middle class, a lot for the rich (twice). Enormous profits were generated.
He inherited a surplus. Revenues decreased every year that those tax cuts were extended.

According to your theory, those tax cuts and deregulation should hae raised revenues. They most assuredly did not.
 

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