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NEW YORK — "Joe the Plumber" is lashing out at the media for analyzing his personal life since he suddenly became a focal point of the presidential race last week.

Joe Wurzelbacher, a plumber from Holland, Ohio, told Mike Huckabee on his Fox News talk show Saturday that he is upset by the attention and has been unable to work with reporters crowded on his front lawn.

"The media's worried about whether I've paid my taxes, they're worried about any number of silly things that have nothing to do with America," Wurzelbacher told the former Republican presidential hopeful on his show, "Huckabee."

Wurzelbacher said he felt terrible after reading some of the criticism of himself posted online.

"I felt about that small," he said. "I mean I really did."

Republican presidential candidate John McCain has been portraying Wurzelbacher as emblematic of people with concerns about Obama's tax plans.

Wurzelbacher became famous after he met Obama and said the Democrat's tax proposal could keep him from buying the two-man plumbing company where he works. However, reports of Wurzelbacher's annual earnings suggest he would receive a tax cut rather than an increase under Obama's plan.

"You know, I am a plumber," Wurzelbacher said. "Just a plumber."

Wurzelbacher said he agreed to appear on the show after he received phone calls from friends serving in the military who voiced their support.

"You know, when you can't ask a question of your leaders anymore, that gets scary," he said.

On Sunday, McCain was to travel to Ohio, where he might appear with Wurzelbacher

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

Tell him he thank Mccain for that.

I feel bad for the guy. I saw him on Fox this morning, and he was very humble and seems that he is beyond the "hype" around him. I wouldn't want reporters on my front lawn for day/weeks or have people digging around in my personal life just to use me as an example. I think he felt "honored" to be singled out in the beginning, and his son thought it was cool to be on TV....but after that first "15 mins" I think he wanted to go back to life as normal. I think it is sad to see someone's life laid out there for fodder or political gain, when they have nothing to gain for it themselves (unless of course Joe get's a book deal or a Lifetime nmovie made about him....and then he's on his own).

He made a good point -- he stated something to the effect that he asked a question, and felt lucky that he had the chance to ask a question (which is one of many he could have asked), but he thought it was sad that the American people don't get more opportunities like that....to ask direct questions of our leaders.

Like I said, I feel bad for the guy. The media and McCain/Obama should just leave him be.

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I did feel bad for him at first after McCain thrust him into the spotlight at the debate... But I do not feel sorry for this guy now. He is making the rounds of the networks and talk shows of his own free will. Someone who does that invites and most likely enjoys any and all attention he gets. He needs to quit whining.

Since when does not paying your taxes NOT have anything to do with America? How would this country survive without everyone paying their taxes?

I do feel sorry for how deeply his personal life is being affected, but to just dismiss the fact that he hasn't paid his taxes doesn't make any sense, especially since his whole point was how he was going to pay more taxes under Obama. As I said before, he would pay more taxes under McCain by just paying his taxes in the first place, which he hasn't been fully doing anyway.

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I think he could blame Obama's answer to his question for what's happening to him.

Uh. . .

Despite the charges of critics that the tax cuts enacted in 2001, 2003 and 2004 favored the “rich,” these cuts actually reduced the tax burden of low- and middle-income taxpayers and shifted the tax burden onto wealthier taxpayers. Tax Foundation economists estimate that for tax year 2004, a record 42.5 million Americans who filed a tax return (one-third of the 131 million returns filed last year) had no tax liability after they took advantage of their credits and deductions. Millions more paid next to nothing.

As Figure 1 and Table 1 show, the number of Americans who paid no income taxes because of the preferences in the tax code has varied greatly since 1950. While the number of these “non-payers” has averaged about 22 percent of all filers over the past five decades, it has spiked to record levels in recent years and the trend line does not appear to be slowing.

In addition to these non-payers, roughly 15 million individuals and families earned some income last year but not enough to be required to file a tax return. When these non-filers are added to the non-payers, they add up to 57.5 million income-earning people who will be paying no income taxes.

Even 57.5 million is not the actual number of people because one tax return often represents several people. When all of the dependents of these income-producing people are counted, roughly 120 million Americans – 40 percent of the U.S. population – are outside of the federal income tax system.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/542.html

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What does that have to do with Mr. Wurzelbacher NOT paying his taxes, then making a huge point about having to pay more taxes. Of course he will pay more.....because he will have to PAY HIS TAXES. Think he will continue to get away with NOT paying them now that this has been brought out.

As I said, it is unfortunate that his life is so being affected---does not excuse his choosing to NOT pay his taxes then having the temerity to complain about taxes. Doublespeak......

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Obama's own half sister and his dear Reverend Wright both had Tax Liens on them for non-payment.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

The only things I've seen reported about Joe in the media are that, in fact, he'd undoubtedly see his taxes cut under Obama and his business would get more benefits from Obama than McCain (not counting McCain's new gimmicky 2-year capital gains being cut in half without saying how he'll deal with the lost hundreds of billions in revenue plan, though).

I'm sure folks with too much time on their hands have looked into his publicly available records (court records, tax records, etc), but I can't imagine he didn't expect as much when he gave his phone number to everyone in the press and made himself available for interviews on every single network immediately following the debate and spoke with McCain and presumably OK'd his image being used in a McCain television ad. McCain made the whole third debate about Joe -- what was his point if not to say that Joe's business would be better off if he were elected? As it turns out, after some really basic reporting it turns out that's not the case.

It's hilarious to see folks on the right being all defensive about Joe's privacy right here. These are the same folks who spent the better part of two weeks stalking around my neighborhood in Baltimore trying to prove that a 12-year-old named Graham Frost was richer than he said he was when he talked on the Dems weekly radio address advocating for childrens health care: The Swift-Boating of Graeme Frost - TIME
Michelle Malkin Graeme Frost and the perils of Democrat poster child abuse Updated

This people at this rally (in the link) understand. The ISSUE is not who Joe the Plumber is but rather about the question he asked. The ISSUE is how Obama answered the question.

Some people do not have a problem with "spread the wealth" and others do have a problem accepting that concept.
It isn't always about things that profit you right now but what is principally right.

John McCain's Army Of Joes, National Review Online: Republican Candidate's "Regular Joe" Supporters Are Angry At The Media Treatment Of Joe The Plumber - CBS News

" As the people here in Woodbridge saw it, Joe was a guy who asked Barack Obama an inconvenient question - and for his troubles suddenly found himself under investigation by the media."

"Someone asked why Munoz had come to the rally. “I support McCain, but I’ve come to face you guys because I’m disgusted with you guys,” he said. “Why the hell are you going after Joe the Plumber? Joe the Plumber has an idea. He has a future. He wants to be something else. Why is that wrong? Everything is possible in America. I made it. Joe the Plumber could make it even better than me. . . . I was born in Colombia, but I was made in the U.S.A.”

The scene turned into a mini-fracas when David Corn, of Mother Jones, defended press coverage. Munoz was having none of it. Why, he asked, would the press whack Joe the Plumber when it didn’t want to report on Obama’s relationship with William Ayers, the former Weather Underground bomber? “How come that’s not in the news all the time?” Munoz said. “How come Joe the Plumber is every second? I’m talking about NBC, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and CNN.”

A black woman with a strong Caribbean accent jumped in the fray. “Tell me,” she said to Corn, “why is it you can go and find out about Joe the Plumber’s tax lien and when he divorced his wife and you can’t tell me when Barack Obama met with William Ayers? Why? Why could you not tell us that? Joe the Plumber is me!”"

I found this interesting bit:

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The campaigns respond
Jason Furman, a newly appointed senior economic adviser to Obama, said his preliminary response is that the report's findings bear out what Obama's campaign has been saying: that he's for the middle class.

"Middle-class families get tax cuts that are three times larger from Obama than from McCain," Furman said. "And the McCain plan gives nearly one-quarter of its benefits to households making more than $2.8 million annually - the top 0.1%."

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior economic adviser to McCain, noted that the report does not take into account the spending reforms - such as eliminating earmarks - that are central to McCain's strategy to support tax relief and help reduce the deficit.

One of the center's co-directors, William Gale, conceded in a conference call that "if McCain succeeds (in achieving his proposed spending cuts), the fiscal cost of his plan does go down."

But spending cuts can be politically difficult to achieve, said Len Burman, the Tax Policy Center's director.

Holtz-Eakin characterized McCain's plan as one geared toward "reshaping federal bureaucracies and protecting taxpayers' money. [His] plan is based on kicking down doors in Washington, and delivering tax dollars back to the American taxpayers who are struggling with record gas prices, soaring food costs and a down economy." "

In this link:How McCain and Obama will change your tax bill - Jun. 11, 2008

While tax cuts are all fine and dandy, what we really need is the whole bureaucracy reshaped.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

You said:

How would this country survive without everyone paying their taxes?

And I pointed out that 60% of Americans pick up the entire tax burden.

Btw. . .tax liens are very common, as been pointed out. It doesn't mean he won't pay. . .just means he is in arrears.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Yes, even Joe Biden's son had a tax lien at one point.

I read that Obama wants to eliminate taxes for seniors earning less than $50,000, so that will be even more people not paying any taxes, which truly is lovely, but, I think something needs to be done to get this deficit and budget in order, and then we can go on from there. Maybe that is just a pipe dream of mine.

I'd also like to see some cuts in public funding (welfare, revamping of the WIC program, tighter checks on fraud,etc). If everyone else is having to tighten their belts, so should people on public aid.

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I just saw Joe interviewed.

Alan Colmes asked him if he realized he'd probably pay $2000 less in taxes (or was it get a $2K credit?) under Obama's plan, and Joe said that he'd seen those numbers. Colmes said something to the effect of, "So you acknowledge you would be better off with Obama as President?" Joe responded, "No, Alan, I don't. It's not about how much money Obama is going to 'give' me. It's about what is right. I think it is fundamentally wrong to take from those who earn so you can send a check to those who don't. Don't tax some guy who earned more than me and then give part of his money to me. I don't want it. It's not mine. That's not how you make America better. I'll earn my own money, thanks, and I'd appreciate if you let me keep as much of it as I possibly can." Paraphrased, of course.

At one point he said, "It's the principle of the thing."

Gotta love that Joe!

I saw a truck today driving around with a plunger stuck to the top. LOL!

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

OMG that is funny. Obama was the one walking around talking to the public....come the debate who said his name first and most Mccain......How can it be Obamas fault?....he is not the one that try to use him....Mccain did.....My lord everyother word was Joe the Plumber.....In a way I was glad because I could not stand to hear him say what a maverick he his......

Yeah, gotta really give credit to the tax scofflaws of this country.......

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The video was all over the internet before the debate even happened. I know I knew who he was before the debate.

But again. . .if Obama wouldn't have given the answer he did there would have been nothing to bring up in the debate. It would have been a non-issue. . .but that's not what happened.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Hambirg this question is for you from the other post concerning General Powell endorsing BaracK Obama, you quoted that Mr Powell said that he thought that DIck Cheney and George BUsh would make each make a wonderful president and vice president can you kinldy plmk when he Colin Powell make those statement what was the date the year plmk peace... Catherine

I seen it on the web also...but is was Mccain who first said Joe the plumber, he said it again again and again.....Mccain knew that when he mention his name (and so often)that the media would be all over him...Mccain never would of said his name at the debate he would not be having the problems with the media. Also Joe the Plumber could of said No Comment.....he was on the phone right after the debate talking and setting up TV time.

And which one of them is all over the tv and internet complaining about how they will pay too much tax under Obama or how they can't afford to buy their own company because of Obama (even though faux Joe now admits he doesn't believe he would ever be able to buy it anyway?

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Sorry, Jeanie, I think you're wrong.

Like I said... I saw him being interviewed tonight.

He has been working as a plumber for 15 years. His boss, the owner of the company, has his Master Plumbing License and the plumbers that work for him do so under his licensure.

Joe, because of his years of experience plus 3 1/2 years specifically studying for his Masters Plumbing License, is six months away from being able to take the test that will allow him to be a Master Plumber himself. He said that many plumbers go the "Journeyman" route, but that he wanted to be a Master Plumber because he would like to own the business one day and without that licensure, it would not be possible.

He was pretty clear tonight that it's a principle with him. He wants people to keep most of what they earn, and when he earns a *little* he wants to be content with his *little* and not be given a check that represents money the government took from someone who has *lots*. And when he is the one making *lots*, he wants to be able to keep as much of it as possible. He's a flat tax guy, not a progressive tax guy - he came right out and said that.

I think it's really sick and sad to call him "faux Joe". He's an American who happens to have a different view of what is best for America than Barak Obama. That doesn't make him fake. Can't we be a little tolerant of his positions here?

He does not have a license and as we know is working under his boss' license. Which, in itself is illegal because when he works under someone else's license he has to be, at a minimum in an apprenticeship. At one point he began an apprentice program but did not finish that. THAT is why he is faux Joe the "plumber." He knew all this when he put himself out there. When people call him on it, he has nobody to blame but himself. AND he was respresented as saying he wanted to purchase his company--he admits he didn't say that and had no financial wherewithal to do so. So, as much as you value your opinion that I am wrong, I will say you are wrong.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

And there it is. . .

You don't like that he asked Obama the question. The simple fact is he asked a question that he has every right to ask, and Obama gave an answer. The fact that Obama's answer spoke to an ideology that a lot of people aren't comfortable with, now it's the plumbers fault for asking it.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Like I said before. . .it doesn't matter if he was a homeless, crack smoking, convicted sex-offender. He asked a question and Obama answered it. Nobody put words in his mouth.

ETA: If you're ok with Obama's answer then why all the effort to discredit him? Is it because the answer made Obama look bad to some voters?

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

jeanie, I'm sorry, but I think you're spouting nonsense.

Everything I've been able to google that isn't a blog has indicated that in fact one can make a living doing plumbing in his state as long as they are working for a business that also employs a Master Plumber, and the non-licensed plumbers are working *under* that Master Plumber.

You have to have worked as a plumber under a Master Plumber for four years before you are eligible to sit for a Masters license of your own. Therefore, every plumber *with* a Master Plumber license would've worked a minimum of four years as a plumber before becoming a Master, and Joe is currently a plumber at that 'level'.

From what I read, only those who have achieved Master Plumber can advertise their services, hire other plumbers to work under them, etc. But it is perfectly legal to work *as* a plumber *in* the plumbing business *under* a Master Plumber and call yourself a plumber. 'Cause... that's what you do all day. Go out to people's houses and mess with their pipes.

I think hambirg has it exactly right. Discredit Joe so nobody can talk about Obama's socialist answer.

Well if its Obama's fault for answering then using the same logic, yes it is more Joe's fault for asking it. I don't believe it is either of their faults for asking and answering. But McCain's fault for trying to use it to his advantage and then Joe's own fault for wanting his 15 mins. of fame. Joe is getting off on this. You can see it on his face. LOL. Stop whining Joe. Be a man.

I haven't seen Joe whine once.

He's articulated his position, which is that he thinks Obama's tax plan is a bad one.

That's not whining. It's disagreeing.

And to say that Joe is at *fault* for asking a question of a man who wants to be the leader of the free world? Sorry, but I think that's scary. If questioning a candidate who asks someone if they have any questions places an everyday average working class citizen in a position of being seen as at *fault* for something, I think we all need to put on our seatbelts. The whole continent is going to shake and shiver as the founders turn over in their graves repeatedly.

Well I never said it was Joe's fault for asking but it has been said it is Obama's fault for answering. That is just ridiculous. Joe is whining when he complains about the attention he is receiving. Mccain is the one who brought the media attention squarely on Joe and Joe is perpetrating it by appearing on talk shows and such. So not Obama's fault.

Um, no. Sorry, but I think you're way off base here. I never heard anyone say it was Obama's fault *for* answering. Many have said they didn't care for Obama's *answer*. That's much different from being at *fault* for answering. There's no *fault* to be had - it was just a conversation between a politician and a citizen.

And Joe is not, IMHO, whining. I heard him saying that it's ironic that scrutinizing his credentials became the focus, rather than the response to his question, as though if he could be discredited the response - whatever it was - would be irrelevant. That's not whining, it's setting the record straight about the details of his own life and credentials.

This is, I believe, the first major piece about Joe. It was written by the New York Times, and certainly doesn't seem sympathetic towards Joe.

Gosh. His name isn't really Joe, it's Samuel. He doesn't understand Obama's tax plan so he must be dense. He's not in the plumber's union and "though he may have worked in the plumbing business he's not really a plumber."

This same piece could have easily been written this way:

S. Joseph Wurzelbacher, known simply as "Joe" all his life, is a plumber a mere six months away from being awarded a Master Plumber license. Skilled enough to have bypassed the typical apprenticeship path most plumbers must take, Joe is concerned that Barak Hussein Obama's tax philosophies may give him a break now, but hurt him down the road and punish his success as he furthers his career as a plumber.

I haven't seen Joe whine once about it, he has help his head high & faced this head on..Go Joe GO!

You obviously didnt read the whole thread.

Maybe every person asking a question of a candidate should be background checked after their question to see if they really even have merit to ask it then, huh???

Would it have made ANY difference if Joe had said "theoretically speaking......" and asked his question??? No, I doubt it, since whoever wants to pick apart Joe will. Plain and Simple.

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I stand by what I said.

Nobody blamed him FOR answering.

WHAT he said when he responded became a topic of conversation.

He's a candidate, for crying out loud. He *needs* to answer questions. It is precisely what he *should* be doing on the campaign trail.

He can't, however, expect that everyone is going to agree with his answers.

There are probably responses Obama could've given that wouldn't have caused a stir. He could've said, "Joe, I want to create an economic environment that allows people at all rungs of the ladder to have the fairest shot possible at making a decent living."

I'd say someone is at *fault* for answering when they've been arrested, read their rights, and blab on anyway without the presence of counsel. I'd think someone at *fault* when they're asked one thing but spill the beans about completely unrelated things just because they want to get the word out about something.

Again - it wasn't Obama's fault *for* answering anything. But the *answer* he chose to give was definitely an attention-getter.

Joe asked a question, Obama answered. The End......or it should be, but then McCain repeatedly brought the guys name up at the debate (and just about every subsequent rally) As soon as the debate was over "Joe" began calling news stations and doing interviews (he called them!) The media ran with it and dissected this guys life, as they often do.

McCain could have talked about the question and answer without calling the guy out by name.

"Joe" didn't have to call up the media and begin giving interviews.

The media didn't have to rip the guy up.

But all Obama did was answer a f@#%ing question.
Just because some are unhappy with the answer it doesn't make it his fault Joe's all over the media (remember he called them himself)

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When I heard the piece on GMA, they said "we tracked him down". I didn't take that to mean he called them. How would someone go about calling Good Morning America, anyway??? I have a few things I'd like to tell them....

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I'm not sure about any of the morning shows, what I heard was that right after the debate he called Fox and several others.

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Joe had the right to ask Obama a question, and Obama gave his anwer end of Obama and Joe the plumber story....now here comes the Maverick and now a simple question has turned into a nightmare....

Debate night Mccain brings up Joe the plumber. Mccain is the first one to bring up Joe the plumber.....he repeated his name again again and again...

After the debate Joe the plumber is on the phone, on TV.

Mccain spoke his name first, and repeated and repeated and repeated his name-everybody in the media is who the heck is Joe the plumber.....The media finds out calls Joe....he could of step up then and said no comment.....Joe is the one who choose to speak to the media.....He was on the phone and made his round on TV morning shows........

Joe shouldn't *have* to say no comment.

He's an American and he had a comment.

But whether he is a licensed plumber or whether his name is Samuel doesn't change anything.

I never said that it did.....My point was it is not Obamas fault. Mccain is the one who brung his name into the debate. Joe the plumber choose to pick up the phone and do the TV interviews.

THen you must contact the licensing agency who is investigating he and his bosses' company as we speak because that is THEIR position. I believe they know better than you or I or hambirg what the rules in THEIR JURISDICTION is. Think what you want. Doesn't make you right. Ask those who KNOW and ENFORCE the laws in their jurisdiction. Then you will KNOW and not just think you know.

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link?. . . .

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From his "hometown" newspaper:

toledoblade.com -- 'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed

Joe the plumber's story has some cracks -- chicagotribune.com

'Joe the Plumber' says he has no plumbing license Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

Washington Bureau - AP News | Washington Bureau

Joe in the Spotlight - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

My brother is a plumber and had been a plumber for 20+ years. He has his master plumber. But before he had that he had to have a journeyman license. He has a guy that works with him that did not have a license, but he is not consider a plumber, he is a plumbers helper. His helper can not work on his own, my brother has to be on the job site with him.

Typical smoke and mirrors.....it doesn't matter a hoot about the various details of Joe the plumber's life because his question was legitimate. Ask yourselves why the media hasn't scrutinized Obama's life, someone who wants to become President of the United States but instead they go after an American citizen for asking a excellent question.

In his interview with Bill O'Reilly Obama said...
“If I am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”

When YOU DECIDE to help others, that is being kind and neighborly and good.
When the government puts a gun to your head to MAKE YOU do this, it is EXTORTION.

Except for the fact that there are two particular posters on board who said it was all NOT TRUE and that I was spouting misinformation when it is actually they who are, to be generous to them, misinformed.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

So, those of you saying I was spouting "nonsense" and asking for links....no responses? You can call me out but not admit you were wrong when given the links you requested? Interesting.....

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees.

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He doesn't need a license. . .in fact, he has to have worked in the trade for 5 years before he can become liscensed.

Like grumpy said. . .he works for a licensed contractor. He doesn't need to hold his own license. There are rules I believe about him working alone, but I can't find anything that says he has to have a apprentice license in Toledo. . .and the state doesn't require one.

Call him a plumber's helper if you want. . .doesn't change anything.

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Plumber's helper and plumber are two different things....ask anyone in the union or the licensing board of his jurisdiction. Never questioned what you stated was law in your jurisdiction.......just what IS the law in Wurzelbacher's jurisdiction. To that board it is not "just" different names for the same position....it is two names for two different positions.

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Have the courage to be yourself.

It's like a pre-school teacher saying she's a teacher. . .well not really a teacher as they aren't certified. It's really not that relevant.

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Why does any of that matter? I see it as nothing but a diversion tactic to avoid the ISSUE.

Once again it is about Obama's tax plan it does not matter who ask the question.
Which by the way Obama has started changing (PC - "tweaking") his tax plan.
Political Radar: Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain

Really? I see it as terribly entertaining that McCain is choosing to make an example of someone who's a fraud.

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