Quote from Biden at a fundraiser on Sunday in Seattle...
"mark my words...watch, we're gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision. Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."

What do you think he's talking about?

I have no idea. Do you have a link with the whole context?

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Here's a link from CNN CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Biden predicts early crisis will test Obama - Blogs from CNN.com

LOL! That reads like Biden is endorsing McCain.

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This article from ABC has more of Biden comments. I think Biden talks too much sometimes.

Political Radar: Biden to Supporters: "Gird Your Loins", For the Next President "It's Like Cleaning Augean Stables"

"Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

Maybe he was talking about what I heard on Fox News the other day.

There was a meeting with both presidental campaigns with the FBI (?) because there is a threat of an
terrorist event occuring immediately after the election. They said something about the same thing happened in London when Tony Blair's replacement was chosen (remember the bombings a few years ago?) The FBI is already doing the background staff checks on both parties. Maybe he was referencing that?

It surely doesn't sound too comforting, and honestly, if there was a terrorist attack who would you want at the helm? Pro defense or let's pull our tails & hide?

Truble? Where are you? I'd love your input on this one..

You've gotta love Joe...he's the gift that keeps giving.

There's quite a bit more to that speach that isn't in the Op's article..this is really creeping me out..and bad..ESECIALLY the thought of the big zero being at the helm!

"Gird your loins," Biden told the crowd. "We're gonna win with your help, God willing, we're gonna win, but this is not gonna be an easy ride. This president, the next president, is gonna be left with the most significant task. It's like cleaning the Augean stables, man. This is more than just, this is more than – think about it, literally, think about it – this is more than just a capital crisis, this is more than just markets. This is a systemic problem we have with this economy."

The Delaware lawmaker managed to rake in an estimated $1 million total from his two money hauls at the downtown Sheraton, the same hotel where four years ago Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., clinched the Democratic nomination. Despite warning about the difficulties the next administration will face, Biden said the Democratic ticket is equipped to meet the challenges head on.

"I've forgotten more about foreign policy than most of my colleagues know, so I'm not being falsely humble with you. I think I can be value added, but this guy has it," the Senate Foreign Relations chairman said of Obama. "This guy has it. But he's gonna need your help. Because I promise you, you all are gonna be sitting here a year from now going, 'Oh my God, why are they there in the polls? Why is the polling so down? Why is this thing so tough?' We're gonna have to make some incredibly tough decisions in the first two years. So I'm asking you now, I'm asking you now, be prepared to stick with us. Remember the faith you had at this point because you're going to have to reinforce us."
"There are gonna be a lot of you who want to go, 'Whoa, wait a minute, yo, whoa, whoa, I don't know about that decision'," Biden continued. "Because if you think the decision is sound when they're made, which I believe you will when they're made, they're not likely to be as popular as they are sound. Because if they're popular, they're probably not sound."
Biden emphasized that the mountainous Afghanistan-Pakistan border is of particular concern, with Osama bin Laden "alive and well" and Pakistan "bristling with nuclear weapons."

"You literally can see what these kids are up against, our kids in that region," Biden said in recalling when his helicopter was forced down due to a snowstorm there. "The place is crawling with al Qaeda. And it's real."

"We do not have the military capacity, nor have we ever, quite frankly, in the last 20 years, to dictate outcomes," he cautioned. "It's so much more important than that. It's so much more complicated than that. And Barack gets it."

After speaking for just over a quarter of an hour, Biden noticed the media presence in the back of the small ballroom.

"I probably shouldn't have said all this because it dawned on me that the press is here," he joked.

"All kidding aside, these guys have left us in a God-awful place," he then said of the Bush regime, promptly wrapping up his remarks. "We have the ability to straighten it out. It's gonna take a little bit of time, so I ask you to stay with us. Stay with us."

Some thoughts from another board...

HUH???? I have no clue what he is trying to say.....sounds to me like he is saying basically you will regret your vote for Obama very soon after, kind of like buyer's remorse.

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I'd rather Joe Biden didn't tell me what to do with my loins.

Thank you very much.

That's how I took it too. That Biden is a peach.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

The word generated worries me, it seems to imply that we may cause whatever he's refering to.

Not one message board has had a democrat weigh in on this anywhere I have visited, why is that?

Cause it means nothing. Just a bunch of speculative crap. Joe Biden admits he sometimes talks too much.

Ahhhhh....

Sweet acknowledgment from one of his supporters.

Joe Biden: Just the kind of man with whom you want to share national security secrets.

IMO he meant as he said we've been left in a godawful place by the Bush regime. Osama is alive and well and more countries have access to nuclear weapons thanks in large part to the mishandling of our foreign policy. We will be challenged and the mettle of our leaders and citizens tested. We, as a country are going to have to go through some tough times to get back to where we were before 2000.

Again IMO, unlike Mr. Bush and his administration, he isn't saying be afraid, be very afraid, Mr. Biden is saying we have grave concerns but with the hard work of our leaders and the our continuing faith in their leadership and our own innate American will to succeed, we can fix the damage that has been done to our country over the past 8 years.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Wow, ana, that is really reading alot into those comments. lol

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But given the current situtation, left by the "Bush regime", then why isn't it happening now? Why will we be challenged later. . .why not now?

I think he is saying be afraid. . .he said "guard your loins." And that what the leaders do is going to be unpopular.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

Just a bunch of speculative crap? He sounds pretty danged specific, almost naming the date!

Ana, don't think his spin at starting the finger pointing went un noticed, I chuckled at that one...

I know, must be trying for those who preferred Mr. Bush's advice after 9/11 which was "go shopping". I for one am tired of being treated like I don't have the sense of a duck -- be afraid, be afraid on the one hand and on the other "OBL -- I don't even spend time thinking about him". Going to be difficult for some to adjust to being treated like grownups and being told to face the reality of where we are and how we got here and how we're going to fix it.

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Do believe he said "gird your loins".

As to your first question -- why isn't what happening now -- we're in a huge financial mess isn't that enough. Do you honestly think that whoever gets elected won't be challenged by leaders of other countries who don't agree with us about any number of things. Do you honestly think Mr. Bomb bomb bomb Iran won't be challenged? If you think not -- I've got a bridge ....

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

You're right he said "gird your loins". . . same difference . . . it means protect your loins. . .get ready.

I do think McCain will be tested too. I just think he is much better prepered for being tested than Obama is. After all, McCain was a career military man with years of service to this country and Obama is a jr. Senator from Illinois. When I said "why isn't it happening now" I meant this "international crisis, a generated crisis" that Biden seems to know is coming.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

I have the answer!!!

Someone on another board pointed out that Biden is predicting limited supplies of Crest White Strips.

And he's terrified! LOL

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

I think what Mr. Biden said was excellent advice for all of us. As I said in another post I'm tired of being treated like I don't have any sense.

We'll have to agree to disagree about the readiness of Mr. Obama vs Mr. McCain. Both IMO will be tested and if you don't think so the bridge is still for sale ...

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Ana
The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

What I read almost reminds of like Sylvia Brown and that ilk. Give you just enough information so when/if it does happen they can say "See, we told you so...", but not enough information so that people will remember 6 months from now what was said.

Really? Who doesn't think we should "gird our loins" and prepare for the worst (and hope/pray for the best)? Who doesn't think that within the first 6 months the new Administration is going to face some difficult issue?


You can read into the speech whatever you want--and it will probably be based on the party/candidate that you support.

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His excellent is advice is something bad is going to happen and you're not going to like what we do, but don't question it. . .just hang in there. I don't think that sounds too encouraging myself. I don't think it sounds like he's appealing to anybody's senses. In fact, he's saying it won't make sense, but don't mind that.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

He's not just saying "difficult issues" though. He makes it sound like some specific situation. I agree, he does sound like Sylvia Brown.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

I think it's because botox is going to be taken off the market...

I think that Joe Biden is awfully fond of the taste of his foot.

That or his conscience seeping out.

I have no doubts whatsover that Joe Biden has complete faith in Obama's ability to lead. However, I don't know of a single Democrat who doesn't believe that Bush's wars and policies haven't made us many more enemies purring us in a much more vulnerable position.

Maybe he knows more about the March 13th 2008 House of Representatives meeting.

Dire Warning of Predictive Disaster in Feb of '09.

Things that make you go
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Are you talking about this? March 13th, 2008 House Of Representatives Secret Meeting Leaked | AfterDowningStreet.org For the most part, it looks like pure hooey.

What then "little part" isn't hooey?

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Little part?

Interesting take on what Biden meant...
Biden Gaffe Is Likely A Warning That Obama Will Impose The Draft Shortly If He Takes Office! - www.hillaryclintonforum.net

Yeah . . .and that's why he is going to make a wonderful VP???

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

GUYS! You NEED to read APENNYSAVED's link!


Obama made clear that he was a strong supporter of the draft at the ServiceNation Presidential Forum at Columbia University on Sept. 11, 2008 and I don't know why the MSM or the McCain campaign let that one slip right by. Obama on the draft speaking at Columbia:


Quote:
But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some.

Yep. .. I've seen that before. People don't seem to care. Obama is perfect, but OMG if McCain would have said something like that.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

Perhaps Sen. Lieberman understands.

Lieberman: U.S. May Be Attacked In 2009, McCain Supporter Says Terrorists Have Tested New Presidents By Launching Attacks In First Year Of Term - CBS News

"Our enemies will test the new president early," Lieberman, I-Conn., told Face The Nation host Bob Schieffer. "Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton administration. 9/11 happened in the first year of the Bush administration."

Ahhhhh.......

Sarah Palin: Just the kind of woman with whom you want to share national security secrets.

She doesn't even know what role the Vice President plays - or should I say not play.

That doesn't explain this part of Joe's speech..

No one ever said McCain nor Obama nor Biden nor Palin was perfect, However President George W.Bush past 8 years were simply horrible and the mess we are in now is all his fault plain and simple, but you do not see a Republican ever ever admitting to that. There are so many countless people and business's that were so dearly affected by his administration and how he ran this country . So many people are loosing their jobs every day, no one can buy a house. No one can sell a house. Gasoline prices were a all time high . The war in Iraq, I literally could go on and on . Well here I am one Democrat who knows the truth and is so tired of not one single Republican standing up and saying, you know perhaps even though I am a proud Republican, perhaps George Bush was not the best president.Remember the last years were run by Republicans not me the Democratic person . Omg I said if before I will say it again Al Gore should have won 8 years ago, and perhaps, just perhaps, we would not be in the terrible financial mess and loss of innocent American lives if it were not for President Bush.Yes I will so admit there are not perfect Democrats no way no how, as much as I loved Bill Clinton when he was a president, his personal life became way too much for me to take and literally I just got plain sick of him and truly felt , he should have not been our president anymore. There he was on National Television lying to us the public the Americans were whom put out so dear trust in. What about JKF whom again I still feel was a wonderful president had soooooooooo many problems in his personal life and too many wrong dealings of all sorts. All I would wish for is for one person on this board whom is a Republican to admit George W>Bush done us wrong big time thats it.... Catherine

I would simply say that the Executive branch is only 1/3 of our federal government. The Legislative branch is equally responsible. . .their approval rating is lower than Bush's. Btw. . .war in Iraq. . .approved by the Democratic Congress. . .budget proposals. . .approved by Congress. . .Wall Street bailout. . .approved by Congress. . .do I really need to keep going?

I will glady admit Bush did wrong. . .he acted like a Democrat bloating the federal govenrment with out of control spending.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

YOu will glady admit George BUsh did wrong by acting like a Democrat..... whhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaattt,, no way He never once acted like a democrat, He always acted like a true Repulican , where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. You have got to be kidding me seriously. How can I admit that me being a Democrat when faced with what Bill Clinton did in his personal life and I admitted he should have stepped down and not be our president. Now you might say, well it was his personal life... bs.. He was our President the leader of our country our nation, goodbye Clinton for me...Also you must remember Bill Clinton cheated many times too many for me.Say what you want your derserve you views, but the bottom line... Bush got us into this mess and its going to take a some really hard work to dig us out of the huge hole, Bush dug us into...... Catherine

I think a lot of Republicans would disagree with you. Bush has not been fiscally conservative AT ALL! He grew the federal govenrment in leaps in bounds. . .added the Dept of Homeland Security. . .got the feds even more involved with local schools. . .No Child Left Behind. Spend, spend , spend! Just a reminder. . .there were alot of rich Dems getting richer too. . . Obama got significantly richer on Bush's watch. . .I don't think that's a Republican thing. . .I think that's a politican thing. I don't see it changing anytime soon either.

Tell me something specific he did that didn't take Congressional approval.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

A number of Democrats "supported" Bush's call to war because HE LIED and KNOWINGLY gave out false information to get their support. This has been proven to be true over and over......

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Have the courage to be yourself.

Wow. amazing how you bend those truths..but libs are famous for rewriting history.

Information that came from Clintons head cia guy, GUARANTEED by tenet..brought to the UN by colin powel. But Bush lied....if anyone lied it was Clintons man Tenet.

That given, I have no regrets going into Iraq, do you regret breaking up those rape rooms? Do you regret giving freedom to those Iraqi women? Do you regret democracy in that land? Do you regret taking away those chippers & shredders from Saddams sons? If you do, then you are one of the coldest hearted people I know.

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Is it time to vote yet?

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And how, on a personal level, has the war effected you?

You don't regret the loss of life--both of the Iraqi civilians and our Military? You don't regret that some of our Military have returned from that war so mentally scarred that they have committed suicide? You don't regret that so many men and women are returning physically scarred and physically damaged? What about the Iraqi women and children who have been injured by bombs we have dropped? Don't tell me about acceptable losses and collateral damages. This should have never been our war to fight.

Yes, our military has done a huge service to the Iraqi people. However, that service has come at a very large price--both in dollars, and in lives. Not only to the military, but to the people of the United States.

When did God die and leave the United States in charge of the world? Who made the US the saviour of all people--which has led to some US citizens being overlooked?

We should not have invaded and attacked Iraq. But, we did--thus we have to deal with the fall-out from that.

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