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Old 10-21-2008, 05:47 PM
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Palin Still Doesn't Know What the VP Does

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Yesterday, Gov. Sarah Palin (R-AK) sat for an interview with KUSA, an NBC affiliate in Colorado. In response to a question sent to the network by a third grader at a local elementary school about what the Vice President does, Palin erroneously argued that the Vice President is “in charge of the United States Senate“:

Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.

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BZZZ!!! Wrong again, Barbie.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:26 PM
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I can now see why they kept her from talking a few weeks ago. Apparently, she hasnt done her homework.

But didn't she say she wanted to expand the role of the VP? Maybe she is being coy and has plans for herself if they were to somehow win and didn't want to box herself into a position by naming the job description.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:27 PM
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Yeah, why bother with that silly piece of paper called the Constitution? Bush and Cheney never did.

Some days you just sit back and think "Boy, that is one stupid woman." But good on her for making the best of what limited skills she has, I guess.
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Old 10-21-2008, 06:32 PM
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BZZZ!!! Wrong again, Barbie.
I have just a ton of marketing ideas for Caribou Barbie! Do you know what kind of accessories we're talking here??? Does anyone know Mattel's phone number???
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BZZZ!!! Wrong again, Barbie.
What IS the job of the VP? You don't usually hear much about it.
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:21 PM
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The President&#39s and Vice President&#39s Jobs | Scholastic.com

The Vice President

The V.P.'s Job: The only duty the U.S. Constitution assigns the Vice President is to act as presiding officer of the Senate. But the Vice President also serves as ceremonial assistant to the President and is an important part of the President's administration.

The Second Highest Office: The Vice President is only "a heartbeat away" from becoming the President. He or she must be ready to become President or Acting President if anything happens to the President. Thirteen Vice Presidents have gone on to become President, eight because of the death of a President. (Gerald Ford became President after Richard M. Nixon resigned, and the rest were elected to the office.)
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LIkeI said before from a previous post about Governor Sarah Palin, it scares me to the bones to think someone like her could be our vice president and like I also said before god forbid if McCain did get elected and god forbid something happened to him and Sarah Palin had to take over no way, she does not even have a clue to what circumstances nor qualifications or duties that are the duties of a vice president of the united states of America. I firmly believe she belongs where she came from, not being mean , but I think she would do better to serve her state of Alaska and also worry more about her family. Look honestly I am all for a women being in power and I know someday we will have a women first president, I dearly wanted Senator Hilary Rodman CLinton but it was not to be, she has all the knowledge as what to do not I am sorry at this point in SaraH Palin's life is she qualified for the job. Edited always to say these are my personal views///// Catherine
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:48 PM
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Old 10-21-2008, 07:59 PM
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The President's and Vice President's Jobs | Scholastic.com

The Vice President

The V.P.'s Job: The only duty the U.S. Constitution assigns the Vice President is to act as presiding officer of the Senate. But the Vice President also serves as ceremonial assistant to the President and is an important part of the President's administration.

The Second Highest Office: The Vice President is only "a heartbeat away" from becoming the President. He or she must be ready to become President or Acting President if anything happens to the President. Thirteen Vice Presidents have gone on to become President, eight because of the death of a President. (Gerald Ford became President after Richard M. Nixon resigned, and the rest were elected to the office.)

Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.

So, what about that is wrong?? Where she said they can get in there and make good policy changes?

toonces, I know you're not the one that posted the quote by Sarah Palin, but, didn't know how to quote your definition in Truble's post.
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Old 10-21-2008, 09:42 PM
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Uh. .. read the Constitution! The VP job is determined by the President. . .

As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break tie votes in that chamber. He or she may be assigned additional duties by the president but, as the Constitution assigns no executive powers to the vice president, in performing such duties he or she acts only as an agent of the president.

The informal roles and functions of the Vice President depend on the specific relationship between the President and the Vice President,

The influence of the Vice President in this role depends almost entirely on the characteristics of the particular administration.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:06 PM
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BZZZ!!! Wrong again, Barbie.
Since you seem to think it's such a simple answer then please tell us what the VP does. . .give us your job description.
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Old 10-21-2008, 11:27 PM
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Since you seem to think it's such a simple answer then please tell us what the VP does. . .give us your job description.
The job of the Vice President cannot and should not be interpreted any differently than the Constitution allows (from Wikipedia):


The Vice President of the United States is the first person in the presidential line of succession, becoming the new President of the United States upon the death, resignation, or removal of the president, should he or she accept the position. Every presidential term ends on January 20 of the year immediately after a presidential election. As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break tie votes in that chamber. He or she may be assigned additional duties by the president but, as the Constitution assigns no executive powers to the vice president, in performing such duties he or she acts only as an agent of the president.

But of course you already knew this.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:04 AM
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The job of the Vice President cannot and should not be interpreted any differently than the Constitution allows (from Wikipedia):


The Vice President of the United States is the first person in the presidential line of succession, becoming the new President of the United States upon the death, resignation, or removal of the president, should he or she accept the position. Every presidential term ends on January 20 of the year immediately after a presidential election. As designated by the Constitution of the United States, the vice president also serves as the President of the Senate, and may break tie votes in that chamber. He or she may be assigned additional duties by the president but, as the Constitution assigns no executive powers to the vice president, in performing such duties he or she acts only as an agent of the president.

But of course you already knew this.
Yes. . .I do know that. The bulk of the job is defined by the administration the VP serves under. I was being snarky. . .because they were saying Palin was wrong when in fact there is no real answer. It changes with each administration.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:22 AM
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Yes. . .I do know that. The bulk of the job is defined by the administration the VP serves under. I was being snarky. . .because they were saying Palin was wrong when in fact there is no real answer. It changes with each administration.

Yes the job certainly changes with each administration but not as much as Palin would have you believe.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:36 AM
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Yes the job certainly changes with each administration but not as much as Palin would have you believe.
Then give me the job description and tell me what she would have me believe.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:50 AM
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I'm sure you watch the news shows. No need to rehash what Palin has said recently. If it were up to her we would have co-Presidents. (She, of course, did not say co-President but she sure does think highly of herself. Nothing wrong with being self-confident but a little knowledge doesn't hurt either.) Now that is truly a scary thought.
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I'm sure you watch the news shows. No need to rehash what Palin has said recently. If it were up to her we would have co-Presidents. (She, of course, did not say co-President but she sure does think highly of herself. Nothing wrong with being self-confident but a little knowledge doesn't hurt either.) Now that is truly a scary thought.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:38 PM
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I really don't get th Palin hate....there sure is a lot of grasping at straws to find something "really" wrong with her. I just wish she were as perfect as Biden.....HAHAHAHAH NOT!!
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Yes. . .I do know that. The bulk of the job is defined by the administration the VP serves under. I was being snarky. . .because they were saying Palin was wrong when in fact there is no real answer. It changes with each administration.
It is not the vice president's job to create policy. The only role in the senate is to cast a tie-breaking vote.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:01 PM
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Yes in the Senate. . .

but the VP usually does have a role in policy-making under their executive role.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:06 PM
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This link is from the US Senate: Art & History

U.S. Senate: Art & History Home > People > Officers & Staff > Vice President of the United States (President of the Senate)

"Vice-Presidential Duties

The framers also devoted scant attention to the vice president's duties, providing only that he "shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be evenly divided" (Article I, section 3). In practice, the number of times vice presidents have exercised this right has varied greatly. John Adams holds the record at 29 votes, followed closely by John C. Calhoun with 28. Since the 1870s, however, no vice president has cast as many as 10 tie-breaking votes. While vice presidents have used their votes chiefly on legislative issues, they have also broken ties on the election of Senate officers, as well as on the appointment of committees in 1881 when the parties were evenly represented in the Senate.

The vice president's other constitutionally mandated duty was to receive from the states the tally of electoral ballots cast for president and vice president and to open the certificates "in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives," so that the total votes could be counted (Article II, section 1). Only a few happy vice presidents — John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, Martin Van Buren, and George Bush — had the pleasure of announcing their own election as president. Many more were chagrined to announce the choice of some rival for the office.

Several framers ultimately refused to sign the Constitution, in part because they viewed the vice president's legislative role as a violation of the separation of powers doctrine. Elbridge Gerry, who would later serve as vice president, declared that the framers "might as well put the President himself as head of the legislature." Others thought the office unnecessary but agreed with Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman that "if the vice-President were not to be President of the Senate, he would be without employment, and some member [of the Senate, acting as presiding officer] must be deprived of his vote."

Under the original code of Senate rules, the presiding officer exercised great power over the conduct of the body's proceedings. Rule XVI provided that "every question of order shall be decided by the President [of the Senate], without debate; but if there be a doubt in his mind, he may call for a sense of the Senate." Thus, contrary to later practice, the presiding officer was the sole judge of proper procedure and his rulings could not be turned aside by the full Senate without his assent.

The first two vice presidents, Adams and Jefferson, did much to shape the nature of the office, setting precedents that were followed by others. During most of the nineteenth century, the degree of influence and the role played within the Senate depended chiefly on the personality and inclinations of the individual involved. Some had great parliamentary skill and presided well, while others found the task boring, were incapable of maintaining order, or chose to spend most of their time away from Washington, leaving the duty to a president pro tempore. Some made an effort to preside fairly, while others used their position to promote the political agenda of the administration.

During the twentieth century, the role of the vice president has evolved into more of an executive branch position. Now, the vice president is usually seen as an integral part of a president's administration and presides over the Senate only on ceremonial occasions or when a tie-breaking vote may be needed. Yet, even though the nature of the job has changed, it is still greatly affected by the personality and skills of the individual incumbent."
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:24 PM
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Yes in the Senate. . .

but the VP usually does have a role in policy-making under their executive role.
She said that she would "Be in charge of the Senate." That is simply not true.
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She said that she would "Be in charge of the Senate." That is simply not true.
She would be President of the Senate. . .remember the context. She was answering the question of a child.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:22 PM
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I really don't get th Palin hate....there sure is a lot of grasping at straws to find something "really" wrong with her. I just wish she were as perfect as Biden.....HAHAHAHAH NOT!!
I certainly don't hate Palin. I don't know why people want to start up with the hate. She is simply NOT QUALIFIED to be our Vice President. And before you ask the question - yes, Joe Biden is more than qualified to be our Vice President.
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She would be President of the Senate. . .remember the context. She was answering the question of a child.
She has said similar things before. Her only duty as president of the senate would be to cast a vote in the event of a tie. In no way would she be involved in shaping policy.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:26 PM
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She would be President of the Senate. . .remember the context. She was answering the question of a child.
She was answering the question of a child but speaking to the American public during a televised interview. So you would have us believe that you just give any old answer to a child and then try to give the correct answer if you were speaking to an adult.

Just doesn't make any sense to me.
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