Much has been said and written about the McCain/Palin camp inciting hatefulness and such....well, why haven't we heard about the Obama camp? Rhetorical question, of course

Since when is it good to say "argue with your neighbor....get in their face" ???

YouTube - Obama Says "Argue With Neighbors, Get In Their Face"

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

You are not serious are you??????

Mccain rallies "Kill him","off with his head","terrorist"

Obama argue your point, let people know the truth about him....nothing physical at all? There is nothing wrong with debating and trying to get your point across.

Your run into somebody and they say I am going to argue with you....People in business meeting say all the time I am going to argue my point...........
Your run into somebody and they say I am going to kill you, take your head off you no good terrorist....

There is no way he was inciting violence, or hatefulness....

Grasping at straws to justify inappropriate behavior on McCain camp......desperation getting stronger every day, but will not change the inevitable outcome

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

I think there's alot about Obama's character people have yet to analyse.

This is the 8th tenet cut and pasted straight from the church webpage where he attended for more than 20 years.

8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:

1. Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
2. Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
3. Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."
4. So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.
5. Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.
6. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.
7. Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.
8. Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People towards freedom.


and to make my point here. As twisted and polluted as every other tenet 1-7 were... they tried to tie a scripture passage allbeit convoluted, to every other one but magically they come to number 8 and there is no biblical inspiration for that "methodology" or teachings.

Again I ask.
If this man knocked on your door, gave you the tenets (core beliefs) Trinity - BLACK VALUE SYSTEM
of his church and invited you to attend, sitting on the pew right next to him, would you feel comfortable?

If you can't sit on the pew with him, WHY are you giving him the pulpit?




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Then Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

...and had he not been called on the carpet for his association with this group he would probably still be involved.

Scary!

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Mary

You are confused because you have no idea, or understanding, of what is written. Would I be correct in assuming that you have misinterpreted these writings to mean that blacks are the "captors" perpetrating 1-8? You have it backwards, Toots.

This is the passage that accompanies #8, "Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold. Proverbs 3:13-14"
It's right there at the top.

The research I did on the "off with your head" remarks were aimed at Ayres.

Let me ask you this..... we are "arguing" and "in your face" as much as we can be on the internet...LOL. Is it helping anything??? I don't think so. Frankly, I think it's just infuriating people, and as was stated before, it's just a place for people to snipe each other.

No excusing Obama's remark. As for the remark about Ayres..... he's a terrorist. Enough said.

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Doing the right thing isn't always the same as doing the easy thing.

I'll respond since you quoted my thread and let's get one thing straight. "Toots" I'm not.
Do not address me as such.

Within the black value system, as I read and understood it to mean, This church of like minded, people of color, have accepted this belief that they have been treated as captives. Much in the same way the reference was to the concentration camps used throughout history. Jews, Japanese, and other times in history.

and that verse has "nothing" to do with Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.

My point.

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Then Jesus said, "Come to me, all of you who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest." Matthew 11:28

That verse is at the top of section 8. I'm white and I believe that blacks have been treated as captives throughout their entire history in this country by denying them their civil rights and the same opportunity afforded everyone else.

Yes. . ."off with his head" and "terrorist" were aimed at Ayres. And the Secret Service says the "kill him" never happened. Just more shocking "in your face" accusations.

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Obama's race baiting campaign hasn't helped in this regard....
TheHill.com


"What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name, you know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."


Obama ad targeted towards Hispanics....

“They want us to forget the insults we’ve put up with, the intolerance,” the television ad’s announcer says in Spanish as a picture of Rush Limbaugh appears onscreen with quotes of him saying, “Mexicans are stupid and unqualified” and “Shut your mouth or get out.”

“They made us feel marginalized in a country we love so much,” the ad continues. “John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote and another, even worse, that continues the failed policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families.”

The companion radio ad uses the same script as above and then continues:

“Don’t forget that John McCain abandoned us rather than confront the leaders of the Republican Party. Many of us were born here, and others came to work and achieve a better life for their families — not to commit crimes or drain the system , like many of John McCain’s friends claim. Let’s not be fooled by political tricks from John McCain and the Republicans. Vote so they respect us. Vote for a change.”

Oh and heaven help us if we dare question any of his associations because to do so would mean we are racists.

Yeah. . .those pesky McCain supporters and their inappropriate behavior:

McCain Supporter Attacked on East Side Last Month

Politico's Ben Smith got confirmation from the Manhattan DA's office about an incident last month where a female McCain supporter was assaulted at Lexington Avenue and 51st Street. According to conservative blog The Silent Majority, a man--without provocation--grabbed the woman's McCain sign, ripped it up, and hit her with it, bruising her face. The victim followed him into the 6 train subway station and found police officers on the platform; she added that he was only arrested after she showed the cops her bruised face. The assailant allegedly said, "I don’t know why I did this. It’s just those signs, and this election, it has me so upset.” Smith reports that the man, Bernard Feuerman, was charged with second degree assault and has a January 23 court date.

Gothamist: McCain Supporter Attacked on East Side Last Month


Talking about getting in somebody's face. . . literally.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

The FBI was unable to figure out who said "Kill him." It was reported by a Washington Post reporter, however. It has happened more than once.

The reporter wasn't from the Washington Post. And they weren't unable to figure out who said it. . . .they could find no evidence that it was said. . . .not one person, beside the reporter, corroborate what he claims:

October 17
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer


SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."

News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.

Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.

“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.

He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.

Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”

“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.

Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.

When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”

Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.

Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded | Wilkes-Barre breaking news | timesleader.com - The Times Leader

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm