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Old 10-22-2008, 06:04 AM
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What It Costs to Dress Like Palin

Edwards' famed haircut seems like a bargain compared to Sarah Palin's clothing bills. No wonder she always looks so good -- no shopping at Old Navy or Target or Kohl's for Gov. Palin!

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The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.

According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.

The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.

The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.

The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission's long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.

Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.

Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.

“The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent," she said.

But hours after the story was posted on Politico's website and legal issues were raised, the campaign issued a new statement:

"With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it’s remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses. It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign," said McCain-Palin spokesperson Tracey Schmitt


The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.

In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.

Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.

A review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.

But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.

What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.

The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”

It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”

September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).

Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.

The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.

An additional $4,902.45 was spent in early September at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:31 AM
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Wow, seems like the entire family made out. Everyone got new clothes. Seems to me a person who is "one of us" should dress like "one of us".
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:44 AM
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I wonder if this is one of those fancy new items of clothing?

Love the donkeys, Palin. Is this some kind of subliminal message to her supporters?
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Old 10-22-2008, 09:58 AM
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Better yet, look at how much McCain is spending on makeup. The $400 haircut pales in comparison.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:26 PM
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I wonder if this is one of those fancy new items of clothing?

Love the donkeys, Palin. Is this some kind of subliminal message to her supporters?
I wonder if she even realizes the significance of the donkeys? She doesn't seem to have a clue what the VP does, so maybe the elephant/donkey thing hasn't registered in her mind either.

I could sure use some new clothes too. Maybe I should run for something on the Republican ticket next election cycle.
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Old 10-22-2008, 12:50 PM
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She doesn't have hollywood cash to hold her up..do we know how much barry's suits costs? I doubt any media would dig up those numbers..

that's ok, we'll see how far Hollywood supports barry when he enstates the draft, let's see how happy those college kids are.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:10 PM
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She doesn't have hollywood cash to hold her up..do we know how much barry's suits costs? I doubt any media would dig up those numbers..

that's ok, we'll see how far Hollywood supports barry when he enstates the draft, let's see how happy those college kids are.

I cant for the life of me understand where the opinion that Obama will reinstate the draft comes from. He talks about service to our country for everyone but he also talks about the different kinds of service, not just military. His point is that participation in some form or another is good for our country and will bring us together not divide us.

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Old 10-22-2008, 01:13 PM
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She doesn't have hollywood cash to hold her up..do we know how much barry's suits costs? I doubt any media would dig up those numbers..

that's ok, we'll see how far Hollywood supports barry when he enstates the draft, let's see how happy those college kids are.

I heard that they cost 500 to 1500 a piece for his suits. The dress his wife wore on Ellen was 100.00. I have seen their daughters wear clothes from Childrens Place.

I think there is a level of hypocrisy when we speak of being an ordinary "hockey mom" or "joe or jill sixpack" when most hockey moms dont make 150000 a year much less spend that much on clothes their entire life. It is in poor taste and in this economy hard to imagine that this can be called fiscally responsible. Especially in light of the uproar the haircut fiasco a few years ago caused. I am sure her hair cost more than 400.00. I know her jacket did.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:21 PM
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Well, here is a website that keeps up with "Michelle Obama Fashion". (Mrs. O - as it says on that website)
You can click on the "older posts" at the bottom of the pages. Wow, a lot of clothes!

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Old 10-22-2008, 01:33 PM
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She doesn't have hollywood cash to hold her up..do we know how much barry's suits costs? I doubt any media would dig up those numbers..

that's ok, we'll see how far Hollywood supports barry when he enstates the draft, let's see how happy those college kids are.
We don't know that anyone but Senator Obama pays for his own suits. And I'm sure that now that the Palin shopping extravaganza has received notice that someone will soon be telling us everything that has been spent on all the candidates. We also don't know how much johnny's suits cost or who pays for them. Or how much the corporate thieves will be willing to pay for those just out of the goodness of their hearts. But no need to worry, cindy will make sure he has enough suits for all the closets in all his houses.

And since I can think of no correlation between clothing and the draft, nor do I care, since I see nothing wrong and everything good about re-instating the draft, big whoopee whether those college kids are happy. I've never heard it mentioned until now. Is that going to be the latest Republican talking point for the next few days?

It's been fun to watch the Republican postings on this board. They post some supposedly horrble and scary thing that Obama has done or said and two or three days later it's all over the media. One would think they are mind readers. Or could it be that they get emails telling them what the next form of attack will be? Then if the devout think it's worthy, the talking heads start parroting it on the so-called "news".
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:33 PM
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Governor Palin is running for the office of VP of the United States.
She is seen by countries and leaders all over the world.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:52 PM
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We don't know that anyone but Senator Obama pays for his own suits. And I'm sure that now that the Palin shopping extravaganza has received notice that someone will soon be telling us everything that has been spent on all the candidates. We also don't know how much johnny's suits cost or who pays for them. Or how much the corporate thieves will be willing to pay for those just out of the goodness of their hearts. But no need to worry, cindy will make sure he has enough suits for all the closets in all his houses.

And since I can think of no correlation between clothing and the draft, nor do I care, since I see nothing wrong and everything good about re-instating the draft, big whoopee whether those college kids are happy. I've never heard it mentioned until now. Is that going to be the latest Republican talking point for the next few days?

It's been fun to watch the Republican postings on this board. They post some supposedly horrble and scary thing that Obama has done or said and two or three days later it's all over the media. One would think they are mind readers. Or could it be that they get emails telling them what the next form of attack will be? Then if the devout think it's worthy, the talking heads start parroting it on the so-called "news".
He has publically stated that he supports a draft. . .he has also stated that the draft should include women. It's not a big secret. . .that's been known for sometime. . . .nobody is getting secret e-mails.

The point that we don't know what everybody elses clothes cost is kind of the point. Somehow it's an issue with Palin?

How this crap works is that:

1) Somebody digs around looking for some dirt on Palin. . .

2) They think they find something. . .

3) Someone digs into the other three's crap

4) They find the same dirt.

5) Everybody shuts up about Palin's dirt.

6) Dirt is somehow no longer relevant.
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She doesn't have hollywood cash to hold her up..do we know how much barry's suits costs? I doubt any media would dig up those numbers..

that's ok, we'll see how far Hollywood supports barry when he enstates the draft, let's see how happy those college kids are.
I have heard McCain mention bringing back the draft. Bush hasn't been successful in increasing the number of military employees. I know that McCain does want to "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." We sure don't have the manpower to open another front.
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Old 10-22-2008, 01:59 PM
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I really don't care if they spent a zillion dollars on her clothes. I didn't give any money to that camp...and if that's how they want to spend their donations, go for it.

It still doesn't change anything....it's like the old saying...

"You can dress her up, but you can't take her out...."

(I would have said something about lipstick on a pig, but seems that saying is off limits now along with the children)
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I have heard McCain mention bringing back the draft. Bush hasn't been successful in increasing the number of military employees. I know that McCain does want to "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." We sure don't have the manpower to open another front.
McCain has openly said that he supports an all volunteer military. This was all brought up in one of the debates. . .pretty sure it was the first one.
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Old 10-22-2008, 02:13 PM
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Yawn. Ho-hum. Is it time to vote yet?
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McCain has openly said that he supports an all volunteer military. This was all brought up in one of the debates. . .pretty sure it was the first one.
This was in one of his town halls within the past two weeks.
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This was in one of his town halls within the past two weeks.
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Yawn. Ho-hum. Is it time to vote yet?


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Exactly. By all means, let's put her and her family in some trashy get up from Wal-mart....off the clearance rack, no less!!!!

GOOD GRIEF!!!!

I heard this morning, that the clothes will be donated to charity after the election. Frankly, I think they would do better to sell them on Ebay, and donate the money to a non-profit somewhere. I'll bet the clothes would fetch a pretty penny.
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Exactly. By all means, let's put her and her family in some trashy get up from Wal-mart....off the clearance rack, no less!!!!

GOOD GRIEF!!!!

I heard this morning, that the clothes will be donated to charity after the election. Frankly, I think they would do better to sell them on Ebay, and donate the money to a non-profit somewhere. I'll bet the clothes would fetch a pretty penny.

But this doesn't make sense. What would she have worn if they had been successful and she was VP?

I am not saying Wal Mart clothes but certainly not Neimans or Saks. There is a world of shopping between those two and Wal Mart, KWIM? She could have gone to Nordstroms or Macy's (which I heard she did for some things) or Ann Taylor. I just think it sent a message that was hypocritical, that is all. I don't begrudge her the clothes as I would love to have 150,000 to spend on clothes but I would have not pretended to be ordinary wearing a jacket that cost more than most of America earns in a week. Just me.
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Old 10-22-2008, 03:46 PM
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He has publically stated that he supports a draft. . .he has also stated that the draft should include women. It's not a big secret. . .that's been known for sometime. . . .nobody is getting secret e-mails.

The point that we don't know what everybody elses clothes cost is kind of the point. Somehow it's an issue with Palin?

How this crap works is that:

1) Somebody digs around looking for some dirt on Palin. . .
I'm not sure it's dirt on Palin. I just suspect it may be an eye-opener for people who have donated to the RNC. I also am very naive I guess, since I can't even fathom how anyone can spend that much on clothing in such a short period of time, particularly when they spend their days dashing from rallies to speaking engagements to fund raisers, etc.

As for the draft, they may have stated their views, but there has been no discussion on the talking head shows, at least that I have heard. So I'm wondering if I turn on one tomorrow or Sunday, if that will be the main topic of conversation. Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit, it's pretty funny on a Sunday morning when you're jumping the channels and on every show is a different Republican with a memorized talking point saying almost identical words to the four or five other shows you have just watched. There have been times when they are identical. They don't even bother to put the ideas into their own words. It's like a version of the Stepford Republicans.
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He has publically stated that he supports a draft. . .he has also stated that the draft should include women. It's not a big secret. . .that's been known for sometime. . . .nobody is getting secret e-mails.

The point that we don't know what everybody elses clothes cost is kind of the point. Somehow it's an issue with Palin?

How this crap works is that:

1) Somebody digs around looking for some dirt on Palin. . .

2) They think they find something. . .

3) Someone digs into the other three's crap

4) They find the same dirt.

5) Everybody shuts up about Palin's dirt.

6) Dirt is somehow no longer relevant.
Link to the supposed Obama statement?

By the way, there wasn't any digging to it. The info was in an expense report. The only question is, how many small town "hockey moms" shop at Neiman Marcus?
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I heard this morning, that the clothes will be donated to charity after the election. Frankly, I think they would do better to sell them on Ebay, and donate the money to a non-profit somewhere. I'll bet the clothes would fetch a pretty penny.[/QUOTE]

When first asked about the expenses they had no reply ready. They then went off and decided that the best reply was to say they were being donated to charity. It was a hail Mary afterthought IMO.

I think she should be able to keep the clothes. She has worked her butt off and deserves to have something for her efforts, and she looks nice in them. Then there's the problem should she win, heaven forbid. Are they putting her in office without any clothes? Or will there be another spending spree to doll her up for the job of VP? And who would be paying for that?
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When first asked about the expenses they had no reply ready. They then went off and decided that the best reply was to say they were being donated to charity. It was a hail Mary afterthought IMO.

I think she should be able to keep the clothes. She has worked her butt off and deserves to have something for her efforts, and she looks nice in them. Then there's the problem should she win, heaven forbid. Are they putting her in office without any clothes? Or will there be another spending spree to doll her up for the job of VP? And who would be paying for that?

I don't know where the money for her clothes comes from? Do they receive a clothing allowance if they get elected? Some of our military get a yearly clothing allowance. Also, some overseas assignments you get money for "civilian" clothes since you can't wear your military attire.

I really don't see what all the hulla baloo is, really. And, as for Michelle Obama, she's not running for office, so I don't care what she or her kids wear. Furthermore, I'm sure she started dressing her kids in TCP clothes AFTER that big gaffe where she stated how difficult it is to pay for dance class for her girls, or whatever hogwash that was.

I still think that if she has to give up the clothes, Ebay is the way to go. Some investor will snap them up, and we will see them on tour, like Princess Diana's gowns. The money could go to charity or to help pay down our debt.

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I'm not sure it's dirt on Palin. I just suspect it may be an eye-opener for people who have donated to the RNC. I also am very naive I guess, since I can't even fathom how anyone can spend that much on clothing in such a short period of time, particularly when they spend their days dashing from rallies to speaking engagements to fund raisers, etc.

As for the draft, they may have stated their views, but there has been no discussion on the talking head shows, at least that I have heard. So I'm wondering if I turn on one tomorrow or Sunday, if that will be the main topic of conversation. Maybe, maybe not. You have to admit, it's pretty funny on a Sunday morning when you're jumping the channels and on every show is a different Republican with a memorized talking point saying almost identical words to the four or five other shows you have just watched. There have been times when they are identical. They don't even bother to put the ideas into their own words. It's like a version of the Stepford Republicans.
Stepford Republicans. LOL! You might be right about that as I don't watch much tv so I don't know. I imagine there are a few Stepford Democrats out there as well.

In all honsety, I wonder if Palin even has any idea what the clothes she is wearing are worth. People in the public eye have stylists that dress them. . . .do there shopping etc. I imagine it's more like, "Here put this on. This is what you're wearing today." If I was here I'd be trying to return a few of those things for the moola. . .lol!
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I don't know where the money for her clothes comes from? Do they receive a clothing allowance if they get elected? Some of our military get a yearly clothing allowance. Also, some overseas assignments you get money for "civilian" clothes since you can't wear your military attire.

I really don't see what all the hulla baloo is, really. And, as for Michelle Obama, she's not running for office, so I don't care what she or her kids wear. Furthermore, I'm sure she started dressing her kids in TCP clothes AFTER that big gaffe where she stated how difficult it is to pay for dance class for her girls, or whatever hogwash that was.

I still think that if she has to give up the clothes, Ebay is the way to go. Some investor will snap them up, and we will see them on tour, like Princess Diana's gowns. The money could go to charity or to help pay down our debt.

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Link to the supposed Obama statement?

By the way, there wasn't any digging to it. The info was in an expense report. The only question is, how many small town "hockey moms" shop at Neiman Marcus?
Somebody still had to read through the expense report. . .so yeah. .. it's still digging. How many small town "hockey moms" are running for VP of the United States?

As far as Obama on the draft:

Obama made clear that he was a strong supporter of the draft at the ServiceNation Presidential Forum at Columbia University on Sept. 11, 2008 and I don’t know why the MSM or the McCain campaign let that one slip right by. Obama on the draft speaking at Columbia:

"But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some."
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Is A Military Draft In Obama’s Future Plans?

And he supports making women register with Selective Services:

Mr. Obama has said repeatedly that he will draw down the U.S. military presence in Iraq if he becomes president, but he has also said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan, where Taliban forces have seen a resurgence in recent years.

During a CNN/YouTube debate for Democratic presidential candidates last year, he said he doesn't "agree" with the draft.

But he did say women should be expected to register with the Selective Service, comparing the role of women to black soldiers and airmen who served during World War II, when the armed forces were still segregated.
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You know, I think in this war, for the first time, women have proven themselves. I have read about women who routinely went on combat missions, distinguished themselves, and then got in trouble for being there in the first place. I think that if we are to have a draft, women should be included.

Obama is not saying that he favors a return to the draft. Since 9/11, the only thing that has been asked of the American people is to go shopping.
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The money for the clothes comes for donations if you sent Mccain money than you help buy the clothes.

I understand that you have to look your best being on the world stage.....but if anyone knows(should be the people here)you do not have to spend 150,000 dollars to look great.

The only reason why everyone is saying something is because she is the one saying she is just like us.......Well I think she is right in with the Washington crowd now. I do not know anybody that can afford that for clothes....
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You know, I think in this war, for the first time, women have proven themselves. I have read about women who routinely went on combat missions, distinguished themselves, and then got in trouble for being there in the first place. I think that if we are to have a draft, women should be included.

Obama is not saying that he favors a return to the draft. Since 9/11, the only thing that has been asked of the American people is to go shopping.
Yeah. . .he has talked about mandatory service though. . .I don't know exactly what that's suppose to mean.

I think women have done well in combat too. . .I just would hate to seem them drafted.

There has been some talk about what Biden said possibly meaning a draft. I didn't put it together that way when I first heard it, but after reading that link it makes more sense. Do you think that's what Biden was alluding to?
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Uh oh! It looks like she was taken shopping by Jeff Larson who was then reimbursed.
"Along with the matching dates and dollar totals, note the “Transaction ID Number,” which clearly connects the questionable expenditures with reimbursement payments made to Larson. (To totally wonk out for a second, the “m” stands for “memo,” which is included to provide an additional explanation of the transaction—basically, it links a disbursement with whatever was purchased.)

Does the name Jeff Larson sound familiar? It should. Larson is the Karl Rove protégé who’s a principal in the robocalling firm of FLS Connect (the “FLS” stands for Tony Feather, Jeff Larson, and Tom Syndhorst, all veteran Republican political operatives). Larson’s firm is the same one that launched the scurrilous robocalls against John McCain in 2000, and that McCain has now hired to make robocalls connecting Barack Obama to Bill Ayers. He’s also well known in Minnesota for leasing his basement apartment at a steeply discounted rate to embattled Republican Senator Norm Coleman. "
Sarah Palin?s Personal Shopper - The Atlantic (October 22, 2008)
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As far as Obama on the draft:

Obama made clear that he was a strong supporter of the draft at the ServiceNation Presidential Forum at Columbia University on Sept. 11, 2008 and I don’t know why the MSM or the McCain campaign let that one slip right by. Obama on the draft speaking at Columbia:

"But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some."
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Is A Military Draft In Obama’s Future Plans?

And he supports making women register with Selective Services:

Mr. Obama has said repeatedly that he will draw down the U.S. military presence in Iraq if he becomes president, but he has also said he would increase the number of troops in Afghanistan, where Taliban forces have seen a resurgence in recent years.

During a CNN/YouTube debate for Democratic presidential candidates last year, he said he doesn't "agree" with the draft.

But he did say women should be expected to register with the Selective Service, comparing the role of women to black soldiers and airmen who served during World War II, when the armed forces were still segregated.
Only by the use of typical Republican fantasies can Obama's statements be construed as supporting the draft. Fortunately for you, you seem to have plenty of imagination that way.


Back to Ms. Palin's clothes -- what exactly was wrong with the clothing she wore as governor of Alaska? 150,000 dollars on clothing is obscene, especially on someone else's dime. I bet most women don't spend that much on clothes in a lifetime (Cindy McCain, Paris Hilton and the like being the exception). She wears clothes very well and could have easily been dressed in far less expensive or extravagant clothing. It's just hypocritical to spend that kind of money on clothing -- and make-up! -- and claim to be a regular Jane Six Pack. Just like with her charging her kids' vacations to the Alaskan taxpayers, she's a pig at the trough.
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she's a pig at the trough.
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Amazing that this is all you can come up with for Gov. Palin. Her clothes.

You libs ARE grasping, aren't you?? LOL!
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Only by the use of typical Republican fantasies can Obama's statements be construed as supporting the draft. Fortunately for you, you seem to have plenty of imagination that way.


Back to Ms. Palin's clothes -- what exactly was wrong with the clothing she wore as governor of Alaska? 150,000 dollars on clothing is obscene, especially on someone else's dime. I bet most women don't spend that much on clothes in a lifetime (Cindy McCain, Paris Hilton and the like being the exception). She wears clothes very well and could have easily been dressed in far less expensive or extravagant clothing. It's just hypocritical to spend that kind of money on clothing -- and make-up! -- and claim to be a regular Jane Six Pack. Just like with her charging her kids' vacations to the Alaskan taxpayers, she's a pig at the trough.
NO let's go back to this draft thing. Unless you liked to discuss what color underwear Palin wears. . .that being the more important issue, and after all, the Dems are all about the issues.

It's all right there in the third debate transcript:

Complete final debate transcript: John McCain and Barack Obama | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times
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NO let's go back to this draft thing. Unless you liked to discuss what color underwear Palin wears. . .that being the more important issue, and after all, the Dems are all about the issues.

It's all right there in the third debate transcript:

Complete final debate transcript: John McCain and Barack Obama | Top of the Ticket | Los Angeles Times
John Kerry was talking to the press yesterday about the great questions that they ask. He said he heard when Obama was asked what kind of underwear he wore, he said. "Boxers." When they asked McCain the same question, he said, "Depends."
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As far as Obama on the draft:

[i]"But it’s also important that a president speaks to military service as an obligation not just of some, but of many. You know, I traveled, obviously, a lot over the last 19 months. And if you go to small towns, throughout the Midwest or the Southwest or the South, every town has tons of young people who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. That’s not always the case in other parts of the country, in more urban centers. And I think it’s important for the president to say, this is an important obligation. If we are going into war, then all of us go, not just some."
This quote has been discussed on this board before. If memory serves you were part of the discussion. The quote does not say that Obama supports the draft.

More about the ServiceNation Summit which Obama and McCain spoke at…
The ServiceNation Movement is a national grassroots campaign that launched immediately following the ServiceNation Summit in New York City. It rallies the voices of ordinary Americans behind the idea that citizen service can strengthen our democracy, and help solve our most persistent social challenges and crises. These voices call upon the next President and Congress, leaders from all sectors of society, and fellow Americans to join to create a new era of service and civic engagement in America: an era in which by 2020, 100 million Americans will volunteer time in schools, workplaces, and faith-based and community institutions each and every year (up from 61 million today), and that increasing numbers of Americans annually will commit a year of their lives to national service.”
ServiceNation > About the Movement > Strategy

As for Palin’s clothes… Six-pack Joe would have to work 3 or more YEARS to make what she spent on clothes
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This quote has been discussed on this board before. If memory serves you were part of the discussion. The quote does not say that Obama supports the draft.

More about the ServiceNation Summit which Obama and McCain spoke at…
The ServiceNation Movement is a national grassroots campaign that launched immediately following the ServiceNation Summit in New York City. It rallies the voices of ordinary Americans behind the idea that citizen service can strengthen our democracy, and help solve our most persistent social challenges and crises. These voices call upon the next President and Congress, leaders from all sectors of society, and fellow Americans to join to create a new era of service and civic engagement in America: an era in which by 2020, 100 million Americans will volunteer time in schools, workplaces, and faith-based and community institutions each and every year (up from 61 million today), and that increasing numbers of Americans annually will commit a year of their lives to national service.”
ServiceNation > About the Movement > Strategy

As for Palin’s clothes… Six-pack Joe would have to work 3 or more YEARS to make what she spent on clothes
Your right.

Like most things. . .Obama is very vague. He doesn't really come out and tell us what he thinks. He's dancing around while McCain simply said that he supports an all volunteer military.

Why can't Obama do the same if that's what he thinks?
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John Kerry was talking to the press yesterday about the great questions that they ask. He said he heard when Obama was asked what kind of underwear he wore, he said. "Boxers." When they asked McCain the same question, he said, "Depends."
Yeah. . .I heard about that. I guess he is taking some heat for it now. But apparently it's still politically correct to make old people jokes. Fat. . .fat I think is still ok too. I really don't care. . .it doesn't offend me in the least. . .but he could have at least picked a more original joke. . .that one has been around for along time. But I don't expect Kerry to be a bastion of humor either.
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I am sure Senator McCain mean't when he said he wears Depends... to mean it depends on his mood for the day whether he wear boxers, briefs , or nothing lol.. too funny. Peace. Catherine
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I have heard McCain mention bringing back the draft. Bush hasn't been successful in increasing the number of military employees. I know that McCain does want to "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." We sure don't have the manpower to open another front.

You just pull this stuff right out of your butt don't you?
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You just pull this stuff right out of your butt don't you?


I just spittled firey hot Cheetos on my keyboard.

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BTW...

Further information came out today about this $150K. It wasn't all for Palin herself, and it wasn't all for clothing. It also went to clothing for her family members, and paid for haircuts/makeup/etc.

Mind you, it's still a lot of cash, but I don't blame Palin for it in the least.

Why? I doubt she saw a price tag. Some personal assistant and tailor are surely in charge of outfitting the candidates and those who appear with them when they go out for public consumption. I'm sure *those* people see the price tags, but I really doubt that Palin herself does. She was plucked out of Alaska with pretty much the clothes off her back and hasn't returned home since, I assume. Probably every single item of clothing she wears is new. She's probably got five or six of the same suit so she can get on and off the bus and look fresh as a daisy, despite the fact that a baby spit up on her back in Toledo an hour before.

I assume she has spent her time getting up to speed on the issues and McCain's stands on them. I assume she's been memorizing daily talking points and being interviewed. Something tells me that she was told early on, "These people are your staff, they are professionals, they'll make you as mediagenic-looking as they possibly can, and you just need to worry about the ISSUES and let these people take care of how you look." I'll bet she has no clue how much anything costs - I'd assume nothing had price tags dangling from the armpits by the time she saw it. And I *really* doubt they had time to pull over at Kohls for her to use a 15% off scratch-off discount mailer to buy shoes.

For what it's worth, I'll bet that over the course of their adult lives Michele Obama has spent more on clothing than Sarah Palin.

Did ya'll know that Barak Obama has spent $21.6M on POLLING so far?

How many starving inner-city children could he have fed with that money?
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For what it's worth, I'll bet that over the course of their adult lives Michele Obama has spent more on clothing than Sarah Palin.
I bet you're right. Sarah either shoots a moose and makes an outfit or the RNC buys them for her.
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Ya know.... I realize that was intended as a crack, but I do think it's quite likely that Palin has spent more on cold weather gear than formal or office attire. Down jackets and snow pants and heavy-duty gloves aren't cheap, and given that she goes out to watch her husband race his snow machines, she's probably bought her fair share of those kinds of clothes.
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I find the money spend on her wardrobe really irrelevant to me at all.....none of it was my money...and I don't think that those who donate to McCain's campaign really care.......they don't earmark where their dollars can go.
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You just pull this stuff right out of your butt don't you?
If by "butt" you mean McCain's mouth, then you're correct, since she cited his previous statements accurately.
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Further information came out today about this $150K. It wasn't all for Palin herself, and it wasn't all for clothing. It also went to clothing for her family members, and paid for haircuts/makeup/etc.
That's hysterical. You think it's better somehow because the donors also paid for Trig's clothes?

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For what it's worth, I'll bet that over the course of their adult lives Michele Obama has spent more on clothing than Sarah Palin.
I'm sure Michele has spent far more of her OWN money on clothing that Palin has -- but it was Michele's money to spend. This wasn't Palin's.

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If by "butt" you mean McCain's mouth, then you're correct, since she cited his previous statements accurately.
Link? I know I keep asking for one, but. . . .
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Link? I know I keep asking for one, but. . . .
Give me a break, if you haven't heard those statements from McCain already, you clearly don't know much about the guy you're supporting.
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That's hysterical. You think it's better somehow because the donors also paid for Trig's clothes?

I'm sure Michele has spent far more of her OWN money on clothing that Palin has -- but it was Michele's money to spend. This wasn't Palin's.

Did you know I had grits for breakfast yesterday?

So you aren't the least bit concerned about the $800,000 Obama gave CSI? I'm assuming some of that could be your $$$. . .and who knows how much those lovely Rathke brothers embezzled.


That was a very short-term contract for one week of work. In Ohio, they asked us to do canvasses in five cities statewide," Robinson said.

The Ohio primary was March 4. According to FEC records, the Obama campaign paid Citizens Services Inc. $832,598.29, from Feb. 25 to May 17.

A Trib analysis of campaign finance reports showed Obama paid CSI for services that stood out as unusual. For example, CSI received payments of $63,000 and $75,000 for advance work. Excluding the large payments to CSI, the average amount the Obama campaign spent with other organizations was $558.82 per check on more than 1,200 entries classified as advance work.

Citizens Services Inc. is headquartered at the same address as ACORN's national headquarters in New Orleans. Citizens Services was established in December 2004 to "assist persons and organizations who advance the interests of low- and moderate-income people," according to paperwork filed in Louisiana. In a 2006 ACORN publication, Citizen Services Inc. is described as "ACORN's campaign services entity."


Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review


Why does none of this surprise me?!

Oh yeah. . .and those wonderful Rathke brothers at ACORN that are just harmless community organizers. . .trying to help the less fortunate. . .

ACORN is at the center of a scandal involving a $1 million embezzlement by Dale Rathke, brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke. ACORN discovered the embezzlement in 2000 but did not alert law enforcement officials.

ACORN's management committee instead negotiated an agreement to have the Rathke family repay the stolen funds, according to a report in The New York Times. The Rathke brothers resigned from ACORN this summer after news reports disclosed the embezzlement. A donor agreed to repay the most of the money, the Times reported.
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Give me a break, if you haven't heard those statements from McCain already, you clearly don't know much about the guy you're supporting.
Then why don't you share them? Cause I sure haven't heard them.
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Then why don't you share them? Cause I sure haven't heard them.
Then your support of McCain is as uninformed as I suspected.
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So you aren't the least bit concerned about the $800,000 Obama gave CSI? I'm assuming some of that could be your $$$. . .and who knows how much those lovely Rathke brothers embezzled.
No, I'm not. And you know what happens when you assume.
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