HIs statement to President BUsh was 'IF YOU BREAK IT , YOU OWN IT", MEANING that 6 years later as of today we still own it. Furthermore all of the private corporations involved in furnishing supplies and work crews especially "Haliburton" which was the company that the vice president was the CEO prior to becoming VP he resigned that position and that is one of the biggest corporations supplying and receiving monies from this government. Now he VP stated and btw he has had four deferments under the four Republican presidents.. First would be Nixon, Ford, Reagen, and Bush and number one... Are you aware of all this , does this sound like a man as VP would that kind of non Military service to this country would be great or what????. Getting back to the point of ware some Republicans have stated that Colin Powell first endorsed the BUsh and Cheney Administration, POwell was told and suppossly confirmed and told by all the intelligents that their were weapons of mass destruction , where we all know now there were none to be found and confirmed. They all lied and made Powell became the messager from the Republican party and had to deliver this message at the Untited Nations and after that, He disassociated himself from the Republican Party, he did not hear from him anymore and got out after 4 years.He never made any public appearances because he knew that the war was wrong after making that statement at the Un. He no longer became a factor on Television ever hearing of him. Because he knew in his heart it was wrong. And again 'IF YOU BREAK , yOU OWM IT/" Finally we have owed for the last 6 years and the results from the war are such over a lost of over 4500 young men and women serving this country are no longer with us. SO does anyone still agree with Bush"s decision to enter into war. As far as the people who live in Iraq I honestly feel sorry for the way they have had to live their lives prior to the invasion of Iraq. Also prior to the death of Saddam Hussian. In the end if anyone can dispute this I would like to hear your thoughts.... Catherine

HUMMMMM I guess if you cant say anything nice, Dont say anything at all.

Not at all what Colin Powell is about.

Debbiepete , I would sincerely prefer if you not reply to my posts, not everyone here knows our past and how you still owe me a big time trade of coupons 27/13 to be exact. I ended things with you long time and for you to come here and put your thoughts under my post is not fair at all. I have not bothered you, at all its been some time now. You got my g.card and you then played the ole so poor soul about the hurricane hitting your state, yet you could not send me my coupons yet you could still post threads. I deeply realize this information does not belong here. However you choose to stick you views in my post and of course its not nice. Why Deebiepete did you do this, I told you before on my last thread left on my feedback I am done. Are you looking for more sympathy or drama, then you succeeded. However I will not answer you again. Leave me alone, how truly sad and pathetic.... Final note what I wrote was entirely true but of course with our past you must certaintly have to disagree. Can you kindly back up and say something different to prove your point aganist me, of my views on the war and Colin Powell, what you said was not enough, all you said was that I did not say something nice.. Kindly speak about Politics like the subject says...... Shame on you for still having a huge coupon trade with me that was bever dealth with , yet you come here nasty and past those remarks..... CAtherine

Powell was never part of the Bush bubble; the insider's group. Dougie Feith actually issued orders to him after 9/11.
Yet, he was the only person in the administration who could make a credible case for a war against Iraq. Why he decided to go before the U.N. and present those blatant falsehoods is something that we will probably never know. He has described that day as the lowest point in his life.

He really is a tragic figure.

You need to do some digging. . .

First off, Bush told Powell on a Wednesday to have his resignation on his desk by Friday. He did but the reality is he was fired.

As far as what he knew when he went in front of the UN. . .this from the beloved Huffington Post:

Originally Posted by Huffington Post
Lie After Lie: What Colin Powell Knew Five Years Ago Today, and What He Told the World

Posted February 5, 2008 | 10:51 AM (EST)
Read More: Colin Powell, Un, United Nations, Wmd, Breaking Politics News

Colin Powell presented the case against Iraq to the UN Security Council five years ago today, on February 5, 2003.

As much criticism as Powell has received for this--he calls it "painful" and something that will "always be a part of my record"--it hasn't been close to what's justified. Powell was far more than just horribly mistaken: the evidence is conclusive that he fabricated evidence and ignored repeated warnings that what he was saying was false.

Unfortunately, Congress has never investigated Powell's use of the intelligence he was given. Even so, what's already in the public record is extremely damning. So while the corporate media has never taken a close look at this record, anyone can go through Powell's presentation line by line to examine the chasm between what he knew, and what he told the world. As you see below, there's quite a lot to say about it.

Powell's speech can be found on the State Department website here. All other sources are linked below.

PUBLIC CERTAINTY, PRIVATE DOUBT

On that February 5th in front of the UN Security Council, was Colin Powell certain what he was saying was accurate? He certainly was:

POWELL: My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.

Later, regarding whether Iraq had reconstituted a nuclear weapons program, he said:

POWELL: There is no doubt in my mind...

That's in public. What about in private? Larry Wilkerson, Powell's then-chief of staff, explained to CNN in 2005 what Powell had been thinking two years earlier:

WILKERSON: [Powell] had walked into my office musing and he said words to the effect of, I wonder how we'll all feel if we put half a million troops in Iraq and march from one end of the country to the other and find nothing.

UNAMBIGUOUS LIES

This is some of what Powell said about the infamous aluminum tubes purchased by Iraq, supposedly meant for their covert nuclear weapons program:

POWELL: it strikes me as quite odd that these [aluminum] tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that far exceeds U.S. requirements for comparable rockets. Maybe Iraqis just manufacture their conventional weapons to a higher standard than we do, but I don't think so.

Powell's own intelligence staff, the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR), prepared two memos for him, commenting on drafts of the presentation. The memos were later quietly released as appendices to the Senate Intelligence Committee's report on WMD intelligence.

The second INR memo was written on February 3rd, two days before Powell's UN appearance on the 5th. It told Powell this:

Our key remaining concern is the claim that the tubes are manufactured to a tolerance that "far exceeds US requirements for comparable rockets." In fact, the most comparable US system is a tactical rocket--�the US Mark 66 air-launched 70mm rocket--�that uses the same, high-grade (7075-T6) aluminum, and that has specifications with similar tolerances. Note that the Mk 66 specifications are unclassified, and the Department is planning to share them with the IAEA.

FABRICATED EVIDENCE

Powell played an intercept of a conversation between Iraqi army officers about the UN inspections. However, when he translated what they were saying, he knowingly embellished it, turning it from evidence Iraq was complying with U.N. resolutions to evidence Iraq was violating them. This appears in Bob Woodward's book Plan of Attack:

[Powell] had decided to add his personal interpretation of the intercepts to the rehearsed script, taking them substantially further and casting them in the most negative light...Concerning the intercept about inspecting for the possibility of "forbidden ammo," Powell took the interpretation further: "Clean out all of the areas... Make sure there is nothing there." None of this was in the intercept.

Here's the conversation as Powell presented it at the UN. As Woodward reported, the underlined sentences were simply added by Powell:

POWELL: "They're inspecting the ammunition you have, yes.''

"Yes."

"For the possibility there are forbidden ammo."

"For the possibility there is by chance forbidden ammo?''

"Yes."

"And we sent you a message yesterday to clean out all of the areas, the scrap areas, the abandoned areas. Make sure there is nothing there.''

Powell then explained:

This is all part of a system of hiding things and moving things out of the way and making sure they have left nothing behind.

According to the official State Department translation (and confirmed for me by Imad Khadduri), the Iraqi soldier merely said:

"And we sent you a message to inspect the scrap areas and the abandoned areas."

And it's no surprise the Iraqi said this. Here's what the Duelfer report found about what was going on within the Iraqi government just before the January 30th intercepted conversation:

The NMD director met with Republican Guard military leaders on 25 January 2003 and advised them they were to sign documents saying that there was no WMD in their units, according to a former Iraqi senior officer. Husam Amin told them that the government would hold them responsible if UNMOVIC found any WMD in their units or areas, or if there was anything that cast doubt on Iraq's cooperation with UNMOVIC. Commanders established committees to ensure their units retained no evidence of old WMD.

Again: Powell took evidence of the Iraqis doing what they were supposed to do--�i.e., searching their gigantic ammunition dumps to make sure they weren't accidentally holding onto banned chemical weapons--�and doctored it to make it look as if Iraq were hiding banned weapons.

Since the State Department was questioned about this by journalist Gilbert Cranberg, the translation at variance with Powell's version has disappeared from its site. It's now available only via archive.org.

DECEPTION BY OMISSION

Powell's presentation left out extremely important information, as here:

POWELL: Iraq's record on chemical weapons is replete with lies. It took years for Iraq to finally admit that it had produced four tons of the deadly nerve agent, VX. A single drop of VX on the skin will kill in minutes. Four tons.

The admission only came out after inspectors collected documentation as a result of the defection of Hussein Kamal, Saddam Hussein's late son-in-law.

As far as this went, this was accurate. However, Kamel, the head of Iraq's WMD programs, defected in 1995. Iraq had produced this VX before the Gulf War, in 1991--�and according to Kamel, Iraq had secretly destroyed it soon after the war. Then they lied about ever producing it (until his defection). But according to Kamel, they weren't lying when they said they no longer had it.

Indeed, in the UN's notes from Kamel's debriefing, he says Iraq had no remaining WMD of any kind:

KAMEL: All chemical weapons were destroyed. I ordered destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons -- biological, chemical, missiles, nuclear were destroyed.

And if that weren't enough, Kamel also said this in an interview on CNN:

SADLER: Can you state here and now -- does Iraq still to this day hold weapons of mass destruction?

KAMEL: No. Iraq does not possess any weapons of mass destruction. I am being completely honest about this.

But in 1996 Kamel returned to Iraq, where he was killed by Saddam's regime. Thus the U.S. could safely take a witness who truthfully had said Iraq had no remaining banned weapons, and pretend his testimony indicated the exact opposite.

Did Powell know what he was doing at the time? It's unclear. Here's a transcript of an exchange between Powell and Sam Husseini in Washington in December, 2006, with video below:

HUSSEINI: You cited Hussein Kamel in your U.N. testimony. Did you know he said there were no WMDs?

POWELL: I only knew what the intelligence community told me.

HUSSEINI: But did you know that fact?

POWELL: Of course not!

HUSSEINI: You didn't know that, even though it was reported?

POWELL: I've answered your question!

As you can see in the video, Powell was not happy to explore this line of questioning. (He's also never shown any inclination to find out who purportedly steered him wrong; when asked by Barbara Walters asked who was responsible for the mistakes in the overall presentation, Powell stated "I don't have the names.")

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Beg to differ he was a total part, yes it was a low and sad day for him and I am sure he has regretted it all the way, Thats why I said you never heard of him speak of the war because he realized it was a terrible mistake. As far as his character no one person can dispute he is man to admire truly respectable and very forthright in his beliefs a true honest no nonsense man.....who served our country extremely well in my books.... Catherine

Seriously???? Had you not of even took the effort to reply to her no one here would have known anything about this cluster of a trade that keeps drudging on. The only reason I knew about it is because I saw it on the CRS feedback forum and replied.

I thought Debbie was replying to the thread, not some stinking coupon trade. And, asking someone to not reply to your threads is ridiculous. Use the ignore feature or report the poster to the mods. or admin. if you so desire. But, really, the Election Board is hostile enough with out this kind of crap.

Can we please have some sort of semblence of being mature adults???

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omg I cannot beleive it some people still think going to war with Iraq was the right thing to do, cmon face fcts and more so fact a personal fact, if it was your son or your dh or your brother or any family member you would be singing a different tune. Bush told us a big lie there were no means of distruction or evidence found, we had no business being there. As more important when we do remove ourselves all hell will break out,,,,, and god forbid more of our Soldiers will lose their innocent lives and more death will fall on the Iraqi innocent people as well..... Catherine

I do agree with that. He was definitely the fall guy. That is part of the reason that I think he has an axe to grind. . .rightly so maybe.

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Well said, I cant agree more

to all and Allinaugust do you not find it odd that with all the posts and thread concerning the election, that Debbiepete finds just my post to response to cmom grow up. I would be stupid to think she was doing anything else, If you take a moment and go back and look at my last post under feedback i told her I was done. Again your right about one thing this has nothing to do with the thread, however I am no idiot and to make me think she Debbiepete was just answering a post bs,,,, she did it because it was me. There have been sooooooooo many post lately againist the Republicans why oh why has she not made any posts.. Also for your information during the summer when I was posting on the cafe , she also took her chance to seek more drama and add into my posts. Can you count the number of posts I have posted or answered here at elections or the cafe and how many Debbiepete had done . So please do not tell me I am thinking crazy, she is doing it on purpose and after all our history,,,, it totally stinks and is very low. I would never ever post under someone I had a bad past with, why would I care???? Why does she care..... Omg I thought I was done with her its seems not,,,,, Catherine

Huh?

Holy freakin' lay off the pipe batman!

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Everyone knows who created the "evidence". Powell went to Foggy Bottom to review the "evidence" before giving his speech. He knew he wasn't telling the truth.

thanks for the laugh jenh22.........I really needed it. I can hardly type................

LOLOLOL

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GOing back to Colin Powell yes he was the fall guy . I firmly believe he regrets anything he ever said nice about the BUsh Administration... Catherine

still laughing.........................................

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Thanks for the laugh we are talking about a war here where so many of our American young soldiers over 4500 plus have lost their lives and thats funny, again if it was a relative you would not think this was funny, There are times to be funny and times not to be, this is not one..... Catherine

please don't lecture me. You know nothing about me or what I know, don't know, have or haven't experienced.

My DH was there during the Gulf War........you don't know everything you think you know. carry on.....

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Again we never should have invaded Iraq with all the many loss of innocent lives both Americans and the Iraqi people and sadly when we do retreat, I do not even want to think of what will happen, or do you feel we should continue to stay and have more bloodshed simply sad sad sad... Catherine

So your husband was in the Gulf war, you said he was, he is not in war. Thanks to god he came home safely if not do you still think its funny how truly truly sad... You right I do not know you but I know myself and I will stand firm we did not belong there never did and never should have Bush made a Huge Mistake...... CAtherine

Do you REALLY think that I think the war is FUNNY!! you are ridiculous..........you are the one that is funny...jenh22's comment was funny. Hysterically so, actually.

talk about sad.

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WOW President LUCY has spoken!!!!!!

I say this with as much restraint as possible: PLEASE speak/type more coherently! I have a hard time understanding what point you are attempting to make.


And for the love of all that is holy, put debbiepete on ignore. Don't even acknowledge her presence. You are giving her the satisfaction of knowing she can still yank your chain. None of us really give a crap about the drama that ensued between the two of you.

Yes, going to war was a huge mistake. I don't disagree. But, we're there now, and we have to finish what we started. It does no good to play the blame game now. We need to figure out how to best extract ourselves from the middle of this war without collapsing the very fragile existence of peace that is there now.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Thank you, that's my point. But the OP keeps claiming he is such an "honest" person and that makes me go huh?

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a voice of reason Marilyn....betcha thought I'd never say that!!! lol

Hey Lucy.......read Marilyn's tag for some sage advice.

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I think we can all agree that much of what the OP says makes us go "huh""

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You should have taken it up with her in PM.

And you just proved yourself a liar with the last bolded statement.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

I think I might need to lay off the pipe, too.......when I read that the first few times, I thought it said lay off the Pepsi....LOL.

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First all whaT i mean;t to say was that if Deebiepete started a thread i would not for any reason post my views under her because of our history, at this point I do not believe we would be able to say anything nice about each other, so thats why I said I ended it with her and see her post under me and with all the posts lately about the elections and the cafe how many times has Debbiepete posted hardly anything, she did single me out. So do not call me a liar , I said I would post under a thread she would start, not one that I started and then she adds and then i keep adding. So please get the facts straight. As for Momrajum. I have one more thing to say about the war , we should actually Bush should have gone after Osama Bin Liden the person who caused the 9/11 attacks and to quote you , you do not know me. Well you do not know me. I was personally affected I am a Native New Yorker and this was my hometown that the 9/11 attacks occured . I am not giving myself credit, because there were countless millions of New Yorkers and others who were effected. However sadly on that day 9/11 I lost my uncle and a dear dear childhood friend who worked on the 37th floor. So perhaps I take its serious and too not find any post with the subject of war funny at all. CAtherine

Deebiepete has a right to post here. This is an open forum for members. Put her on ignore if you don't want to see what she has to say.

MArilynk your right about Deebiepete, but do you not find it odd that she posted only 4 times in the last month concerning the elections and 3 were done today in my post and some members are telling me its just me. But again I admit the truth she did get my feather all fluffed and it was not necessary, she had so many more threads to view her thoughts, one of which she claimed she would vote for Elmer Fudd. With all the serious posts about the elections she finds that one to add her 2 cents and mine. Very Ironic to me... But this is the end. Let her talk she deserves the right there is nothing i can do, just like nothing I could do with being out a a huge coupon trade . TO edit to all other posters I am sincerely sorry this had to be brought into this thread it was not the place and again so sorry... CAtherine

One more time............I do not think that the war, or anything concerning the war is funny.

Do you get that? Does anyone else here think that I think the war is funny???

whatever........

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Ok Melissa i got it , I sincerely did not mean to start trouble, however because like you I have some personal experience with losing my uncle who was a fireman and my dear firend Anthony from 9.11 I take its personally. Right now things are getting heated up, so I am admitting and saying I am sorry to you and your family. May know one ever have to experience a loved one go through a war.... Catherine

You just don't get it do you? You truly don't!

No one, not one person, has ever, ever EVER laughed at this war. No one on this board has found to my knowledge the war to be humorous.
Everyone was laughing you and your ramblings about debbiepete and some coupon trade drama. I've seen first hand that you take everything said way to personal. You accuse people of having an issue with you, when in fact they are just commenting on some idea or prose that you had posted.
You've accused me on not liking you, and having a personal issue with you. I don't know you. From what I have seen on these boards, I pity you and feel sorry for you.
I asked once if English was your second language. I believed you replied that it was not.
The reason I ask is because you do not have even the basic grasp of sentence structure and flow. You use words inappropriately, you do no use punctuation, if it's possible it's almost like you are stammering and stuttering when you type. It like you don't know the words in English and are struggling to find the right word. I'm serious when I say: Your postings come off as almost illiterate.
I'm being blunt, and I'm sure that someone will say something about me being mean. So be it. I'm saying what I think, and what I believe others have probably thought as well.
If I hurt your feelings I'm sorry.

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Ok Marilynk you did hurt my feelings, go back to the op where I wrote all about Colin Powell and the war, was anyting in there not impossible for you to read. Right now I am upset and when I get upset I tend to type fast, but to call me illerate is very low. I was born and am a Native New Yorker. I have lived here all my life, I did not come from any other country. Honestly that was low rude comment to say, Are you or anyone else so so perfect in your speech or writing . What gives you the right to give passing judgement on my writing or the way I speak or talk. No one person here is 100 percent correct when they speak. I did not know this was a grammar or writing thread. I feel like with the post you just made I am back in first grade> Wait you never had a single trade with me , would you like a sample of my handwriting, because it is what i do for a living. MArilynk you just made me feel so low. I hope you happy calling me illerate??? Omg how this post or thread got out of hand... Catherine

Also Marilynk please please do not have pity for me. Whay would ever make you say something like that. If i mispelled my words the entire time I post I could see a possible asking of a question about my grammar. I went to all New York City Schools from 1968-1980 upon Graduation from Grover Cleveland High School in Ridgewood Queens, New York for your information, can I ask did you attend Harvard or Yale. I never said I was perfect but you seem to have a real hard time with my grammar and it bothers you so much to have to call me me out and say you have pity for me..... Catherine

You did not say that you wouldn't post under a thread she would start.

You said, "I would never ever post under someone I had a bad past with"

That's a lie. We cannot know what you "meant" to say, merely read what you wrote.

I have to agree with Marilynk. Your writing ability seriously hampers what you are trying to say. If you want people to understand what you are writing then you have to write what you mean in a clear and effective manner. You should work on that. Until then, you will be lucky if people put any effort into trying to make sense of your posts.

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- George Orwell Animal Farm

Yes, actually, your OP is difficult to read and understand.

I never claimed that I or anyone else was 100% correct every time. But, I can tell you one thing--I compose correspondence to physicians, attorneys and clients, all day, every day. It's my job! If I even sent a casual email to one of my attorneys (I have 6) and it was as incoherent and illiterate as your postings, I'd be fired. And this is a CASUAL email asking if they got the file I sent to them. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm better than you in composing posts, letters, and/or other correspondence.

Grasp of basic grammar and "handwriting" (or penmanship) is another.
Look lady, we are all judged by our posts on here. Your posts are rambling, run-on sentences, with little to no structure. It makes you appear illiterate or someone who doesn't have a grasp of the English language. If the fact that people may think your illiterate because of your postings here bothers you, then do something about it.
No, I don't feel happy saying someone is illiterate. But would you rather I lie to you?

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

No, but paragraphs are your friend. I'm sure anyone that tries to read your posts would appreciate them.

I don't think anyone is asking if English is your 2nd language to be mean. We're trying to understand why you always post like that. If there's a reason (i.e. Language barrier, disability, ect.) I'm sure people would be much more understanding. If you post like that just because you feel like it or out of laziness, don't be surprised if others get annoyed.

Of course no one has to read your posts, but isn't the point of posting on a message board so others can read it? Don't you want to communicate semi-effectively?

I'm really not trying to pick on you here. No one expects perfection, thank goodness, because I know my grammar and spelling suck pretty bad sometimes.

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Thank you for the apology.

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I will not defend myself with how I write whether it be grammar or my writing skills or paragraphs. I have the right to post in the manner I do. However I find it so hard to understand why in these times does the way I type bother you so much. Totally enough said on the subject. Can we kindly keep the format for its intended purposes???. Which is talking about politics and my thread which was about General Powell and his association with the Bush and Cheney Administration and the war in Iraq. This I believe should be the basis of discussion not my so called bad usage of Proper Grammar. I refuse to discuss anything else other then the original thread that was started by me.... Catherine

Melissa your most welcome. I believe in admitting when I was wrong and saying your sorry does not hurt, it only helps... Catherine

Marilynk has the right because you're posting on a public message board. We all have that right. Everyone can (and does) pass judgement on other posters, whether it be for the content of their post or the way they express their opinions. It's a fact that you express yourself so poorly that you should be back in first grade. It wouldn't hurt you to try grammar school again (no pun intended) because obviously, your English and writing skills are below par. You know this is true. You've certainly been told often enough and yet, you insist on posting unreadable drivel.

I find it difficult to believe that your writing skills are as horrible as you present them and I wonder about the mind of someone who can't think of any other way to entertain themselves except by portraying themselves so ignorantly on a message board. It's common for your posts to be so horribly jumbled that readers lose interest in deciphering them. I think you know exactly what you're doing. I just don't understand why you feel the need to do it.

Well, I find it very odd indeed so add me to the list of members who believe that it's 'just you' because I don't buy the Debbiepete trade thing and never have. I do pity someone who I think is arguing with themselves on a message board. I suspect that you and Debbie are one and the same and that it's pretty sad that you need to reference 'her' on the Election Board. It's actually sort of pathetic. No one cares about your trades, satisfactory or otherwise so why keep bringing them up? Most people's sympathies would be with 'Debbiepete' anyway because how could anyone possibly conduct business with you when you can't even make yourself understood?

Personally, I'm weary of your 'victim' game and from the responses on this and other threads, I'm not alone. You have a history of deliberately starting trouble and then whining about how cruel the other posters are when they call you on it. I never found that behavior amusing in the first place and you've played the pity card so many times, it's just gotten tiresome.

And now, your buddies and your other user names can pass judgement on me. It's fine with me because (unlike you), I understand that this is a message board and a negative response is to be expected when you irritate someone. Since you seem to go out of your way to purposely antagonize other posters, it's a concept you need to learn.

Oh, and I don't wish to offend so Peace, Peace, and more Peace! LOL.



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I can tell you that I had to read your original post three times - 3 times!! - to try to figure out what you were trying to say. You really need to slow down and proofread your note before posting them. It does appear that you do not have a reasonable command of the written language.

cj/

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I admit that illiterate may be looked at as rude, but how is saying that you could possibly be from another country rude or low?

Lots of immigrants have trouble with learning English. Even if they can speak relatively fluent English, that may not translate (no pun intended) well into writing.

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Ok I haven't posted in a long time I lurk about everyday....but I have to say to the OP ...... you really have to move on. This is the election board and I find it to be most exciting and interesting except for this sort of stuff. Take a deep breath and forget about it. The trade went sour that happens you have to move on.

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First off Cougarskies your a very very mean person to say all you did about me. If you or anyone else does not like the way I write, my grammar or any usage of the American wau of talking or speaking or writing, then its your problem, go live with it. I am soooooooooo sick and tired of hearing posters complain about the way I write. Again who in the hell made you ladies sooooooooooooo perfect, let anyone of this board whom is free of sins and wrong doings to cast the first stone. Go ahead I am waiting. How dare you literally how dare you speak so evil of me. Your a true nasty vicious mean person to the core. Also contact Debbiepete, we are not thankfully the same person, omg what has happened to this board. You can post here and ask anyone . She is Deebie Haus from the state of L>A> I am CAtherin Fabian from the state of New YOrk, Yes I know not to post full names, but this time it was totally necessary. On a final note you Cuugarskies go back to first grade and learn how to be nice to your fellow classmates. Oops I misspelled your name..... too bad ,,,,, with all your negative and mean comments about me.... live with it.... What a true mean mean spirited heartless soul you carry around...... CAtherine Fabian not Debbie Haus.......

No it absolutely isn't necessary.

WTH is your problem?

I see you've already started a thread about another poster too, you're really losin' it lady. You either need to grow up or take your meds.

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There are rules for grammar for one simple reason, it makes it possible for you to express yourself in a manner that other people can understand. Oftentimes, it is very difficult to understand what you are trying to say. You seem to be doing a little better in that you are trying to write in sentences now. It helps somewhat. We do not write in the same sentence structures that we use to speak in. One has no visual or intonational cues accompanying the written word.

This next comment is meant to be helpful. Buy yourself a book on grammar. You need to learn basic sentence structure. Your spelling isn't too bad. But, like others, I read some of your posts and go, "Huh?"

It is absolutely not necessary! How dare you post another poster's full name and home town! Good God, woman!

You have some serious deficits in thought and reasoning. I bet you're a whiner too!

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omg what is wrong with some of you ladies cougarskies posted in her thread that she thinks me and Deebiepete are the same person and that i am stirring up more trouble by pretending to me the same person. Did you marilynk not read that post> Why would i post her real name and mine to prove we are not and repeat not the same person and for her cougarskies to even bring that up is crazy and you tell me I need my medicines... Catherine

No, you're not or you would take the time to post more carefully. If so many posters keep complaining about your writing, then it would make sense for you to change it. You absolutely refuse to do that so you
must seek negative attention. This is a message board and all we have to judge you by is what you write. Think about that for a minute. How are we supposed to take someone like you seriously?

You shouldn't be broadcasting anyone's name and address on a public forum. It isn't necessary at all and it says a lot about you. You should ask yourself who is going to want to trade with you now that you've proven that you will post their personal information as soon as you get mad about something.

The "American Way" of writing and speaking, you say? I don't know why you keep pretending to be a native New Yorker but Americans by birth don't use that phrase; foreigners do. I also don't know why you found it so offensive when Marilynk asked if English is your first language but it's becoming increasingly clear that it isn't. Why are you ashamed of being an immigrant? Could it be that you don't have a green card and are an illegal alien? Something's wrong with you, that's for sure.

Whatever your problem is, the Election Board isn't the proper forum to hash it out. Nobody cares about your trades and your constant whining about your personal life is wasted effort because the more you do it, the more it looks like you're the one causing all your problems. This board is for politics and isn't the place for you to air your mental health issues. Take your meds and post the drivel on The Cafe board. Not that anyone will be able to decipher it, anyway! LOL.

MArilynk I bet your a pain in the a............ too. As it seems you continue to harp into my posts to seek more drama. I bet your so proud of your Drama Queen Status. Again I posted the full name to respond the poster who posted stating we were the same person. So tell me MArilynk who you seem to think you know it all, how would you handle another poster writing about you and stating you were the same person and looking to be 2 people and 2 people to start trouble, how you so called professional person would you handle the suituation???????????????? Catherine

This is so typical coming from a proud, self proclaimed, liberal.

Please don't anybody flame me for this, I don't think ALL liberals think this way. . .but it is a perfect example of how a lot of conservatives feel. . .and after all, this is a political board.

We truthfully criticize ILUVLUCY for her poor writing skills. But she resorts to name calling. . .yells that we are MEAN, HEARTLESS. . .I'm just waiting for her to accuse us of being racist. I'm sure that fits in here somewhere. She is the victim, Victim, VICTIM of all us mean people!!! How dare we criticize her. . .

Poor thing, unable to take personally responsibility for her own writing skills.

Maybe, just maybe, did you ever think that we are trying to HELP you?! And apparently it's working, because at least you are now appropriately using the spacebar between your chain of thoughts. So why couldn't you do that before? You've just shown that you can. Were you just feeling too lazy to actually hit the spacebar for yourself before. . .waiting perhaps for one of us to do it for you?

See. . .WOW! You can do it for yourself. Yes you can!!!

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Ok this is getting plain and sick. Who would like for me to mail them a copy of birth certificate to prove I am not a Illegial Immigrant with a green card , just how low will you ladies go seriously, how low. Pretty low to me... CAtherine

I have nothing to hide born in Brooklyn New York, which means I am a Native New Yorker, Lived here all my life. Born CAtherine Ann MAry Hendricks to Peter and Anna/ nee Fiorentino on April 20. 1964 in Brooklyn Jewish Hospital.. If you know how to look up personal records feel free.. I have nothing to hide. You ladies are just plain and simple trouble makers and drama queens...... If you google my name there is a site where it lists you names and the people whom are related to you so you will see my maiden name which was Hendricks.... Anything else to prove, I am here nothing to hide... Catherine

excuse me? Back the train up lady!

Drama Queen Status? WTF are you talking about?? I continue to "harp" into your posts....YOU DON'T GET TO CHOOSE WHO POSTS IN YOUR THREADS! Of all the egomanical, self-absorbed, and twisted thinking.

And I've been accused of having multiple user names on this very board--I ignored them! What the hell do I care what some stranger on the internet thinks of me? Just like I tell my children--"if you know what someone is saying about isn't true, then just ignore them."

It's a public message board for God's sake. You just provided enough personal information--not only for yourself but for some other unknowing and unwilling participant--to allow someone to track you down and hurt you. Do you even care? Do you even realize how stupid that was?

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What so they know my name I have been a member of mycoupons,com since 1999 and have traded with so many people and btw I do have wonderful trader feedback so it seems I am not the so called crazy lady you ladies are making me out to me, Not that this matters to you, but honestly again with all my coupon trades over the years sooooooooo many people know my first and last name. Also i have talked about where I was born so many times and am so proud. So you are telling me from this coupon swap board that someone is going to bring harm to me... I ammmmmmmmmmmmm so sick of being called a immigrant and having a green card, so how does it feel to be called a name .Not nice right, So leave me alone for godsakes......Catherine

It pales in comparison to her offer to provide her birth certificate to any stranger who asks! Yep, that just screams good mental health. ILUVLUCY420 should stay off the internet until she gets her meds straightened out. Seriously.

that last post was pretty readable.........

Why would you be so offended at being called an immigrant??? I don't get that....

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Courgarskies I am totally finished with you and the trouble makers. See ya all when I will post in Victory on November 4th, when BaracK Obama will be our new president. Talking to you just gives me a terrible horrible taste in my mouth and I offer you no more time..... End of the story... You need to take your medicine and learn to act nice.......See ya,,,,,,,,,, Catherine

#1--being an immigrant is not a bad thing
#2--due to the jobs I have had, I've been called far worse than "Drama Queen". For the longest time, I considered changing my name to "effing B*tch" (hey, when you work w/ mentally ill teenagers you get called a lot of things).
#3--you started this little squabble by going off all half-cocked on debbiepete, and then on a couple of other posters. Don't start nothing there won't be nothing!

I don't care who you are, your citizenship status, the color of your underwear--but you really seem to be off kilter mentally. You should really consult a mental health provider for an evaluation.

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Mental that one, I'm telling you. ---Ron Weasley, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets"

Post in Victory? Do you realize how creepy you sound? Even if Obama wins, there's no personal 'Victory' for you. You don't even know this politician.

You really should use the time to see your doctor and get your meds straightened out. Seriously, the proper dosage will clarify your thinking and your life will be much less chaotic. I know, I know, you are soooooooo tired of people telling you that there's something wrong but ask yourself why all these people keep saying the same things to you.

Lucy, let's try something. A little experiment, if you will.

1) I am so so MAd because frankly because it is not sane OR good and helpful to be posting under the posts of bad traders or people who are NOT HONEST not ever??? and now you call me crazy and tell me my MEds are messed up for the week and you tell me I am NOT Me but I am instead another poster or maybe THREE posters and that I do not have good trades with traders and feedback????!!.

2) I find it upsetting that you are questioning my sanity when it is a cheating trader who seems to be chiming in on my threads just to start trouble. For the record, I am not on any meds, I do not need any meds, and I post under no other username but this one.

Okay... which one reads better? Can you see a clear difference?

Like Marilyn, I write for a living. I am much more casual here and tend to write like I'm speaking, using lots of "...'s" when I'd pause as I was speaking, etc., but I do try to be aware of whether my words and punctuation accurately reflect the tone and tenor of what I am trying to get across.

What so they know my name I have been a member of mycoupons,com since 1999 and have traded with so many people and btw I do have wonderful trader feedback


Yes, you do have wonderful feedback.

Congratulations!

Catherine, you have single-handedly made MC feedback the farce that it is today.