LMFAO!!! You didn't think I was going to let you get off that easy did you???

Since you are so informed please show me where you are getting that information. . .especially since it is apparently EVERYWHERE and I must be an uninformed moron for never having heard that McCain supports a draft.

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I googled "McCain supports draft" and found the following.

mccain supports draft - Google Search

From his mouth to youtube videos.

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Did you actually watch it? I don't think that's what he said at all. . .but whatever. It's a non-issue anyway because he has come right out in the third debate and says he supports an all voluteer military anyway. . .something that Obama isn't apparently able to do.

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Doesn't matter what he said at a later time. He agreed with the woman who said we need a draft so ipso facto, he supports a draft. That's all that matters in my new world of "thinking like a conservative." Simple, black and white, no grey. John McCain supports a draft!!

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

He agreed so using the rights logic, " He absolutely supports the draft".

Gee if you say so. . . .

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Glad you see it our way, now can Sarah have her panties back.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

If you search on youtube you will find several videos that McCain was ask about the draft.

Actually the one that most people like to point to is a short version that does not have the "entire" question from the woman. John McCain was not responding to the woman's last part of the quesion but rather to the "meat" of her question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyjHGc0v3c4

*On some of the videos McCain says it "might" consider a draft but it would have to be fair. That it was always unfair that the rich would find ways that their children did not have to serve like the poor.
He also points out that nowdays you need lots of training to be in the military. That a voluntary military works best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t76K8fymsY


The big difference between McCain and Obama concernig the draft it dealing with people age 18 having to sign up for the Selective Service (data base for the draft IF ever needed).
Obama thinks women should have to sign up along with the men.

Candidates differ on female draft

(McCain) --"Yet he doesn't want to see a return to mandatory service, for men or women, according to his presidential campaign.

"Sen. McCain strongly believes that an all-volunteer force is preferable to a conscripted force," said Paul Lindsay, a spokesman for the campaign. "The tools available to recruiters have historically enabled the all-volunteer force to attract sufficient numbers of qualified recruits."

(Obama) --"But he did say women should be expected to register with the Selective Service, comparing the role of women to black soldiers and airmen who served during World War II, when the armed forces were still segregated.

"There was a time when African-Americans weren't allowed to serve in combat," Mr. Obama said. "And yet, when they did, not only did they perform brilliantly, but what also happened is they helped to change America, and they helped to underscore that we're equal.

"And I think that if women are registered for service -- not necessarily in combat roles, and I don't agree with the draft -- I think it will help to send a message to my two daughters that they've got obligations to this great country as well as boys do.""

If he doesn't implement a draft, with what army will he attack Iran?

Obama is not going to attack he is going to sit down and have conversations with our enemies.
I'm distribued (sorry bad spelling) with Obama asking/mentioning women registering along with men for the Selective Service - why can't we (meaning women) be put in combat situations? And why do young women need to register to learn of their obligations to this nation? Why can't EVERYONE be tuaght by their parents, other family, teachers and the examples set by fine upstanding AMERICANS?

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Sadly, there is very little respect for our military anymore. Just look on this board, and you can see it blatantly.....people poo pooing Senator McCain's service, and yes, even Kerry's service. Whatever the deal was with the band-aids. How many people do you see anymore actually standing at attention at a parade when the American Flag comes by??

And, with a potential first lady who claims to be proud of this country for the first time in over FORTY years......well, gee, I think that says it all right there. How do you learn anything good from an example like that???

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Oh sorry I forgot what nation I was speaking of (smack my head) if people can't repsect themselves how will they ever respect their country? Makes me sad to see film and pictures of how Americans reacted during WW2 and look how we act now? Shameful.

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Nope. . .I'm gonna sell em on e-bay.

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Personally about the draft issue, I think if there ever is a draft women need to be drafted right along side the men. I'm so sick of it only being males when supposedly there are equal rights. What makes someones son more disposable then a daughter. I have NO PROBLEM what so ever with women being drafted. And before I get any crap, I am the mother of both boys & a girl. On another board I frequent they are making such a HUGE deal about Obama would want women to register too I say ABOUT TIME!!!

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Like I'd going to waste time helping people like you. You misquote, miscite, flat-out lie about what people say.

Yep, you're a McCain supporter.

ETA: So classy the way you titled this thread. It shows real respect for your candidate.

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I have to agree with you. Everyone should have to serve their country, somehow, someway, someplace.

So when are you signing up?

What makes you think the poster has not already served our country or is now serving in some way? Senator Obama considers service to our country to also include stints in organizations such as Americorps and PeachCorps as serving our country, among other avenues. Also, you DO understand that the military has age limits, and how do you know what age the poster is? You assume way too much in assuming that you know that the poster is NOT now or has not already done their service, or is not of age to do so. Just remember what happens when you point a finger at someone.......

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

"Your candle does not lose it's light by lighting another candle" Generosity

Have the courage to be yourself.

The poster has every right to come in & inform me of her status.


But thank you for speaking for her.

And my guess is she would rather have me speak for her than you to make veiled accusations.

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"Yesterday is but a vision, and tomorrow is only a dream. But today well lived makes every yesterday a dream of happiness, and every tomorrow a dream of hope." Anonymous

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Have the courage to be yourself.

I know that this is a typo. But it made me giggle.


Would the "Peachcorps" be made up of Georgia natives??

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LOL, I noticed that too. Was wondering if I could sign up for the Peachcorps and maybe get out of this cold Alaskan weather for a while. Wouldn't mind picking some peaches vs. shoveling snow.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

At my age, and physical condition, I'm pretty sure no one would want me, but I would not have minded doing it when I got out of high school or a little later. I have had the thought for over 40 years that something should be set up for everyone to serve. Whether it be in the armed forces, or a "peach" corp. (Sorry Jeanie. It was a cute mistake.. )

I titled this thread in that way. . . .because I know how you think. I knew you would be drooling to look at it. . .

But I thought you Obama supporters were all about helping EVERYBODY. I get it now. . .it's only about helping people that agree with you.

I don't think I've ever misquoted anybody. . .if you feel misquoted maybe you didn't make yourself clear the first time. I can only quote what you wrote.

I'm still waiting from YOU exactly where it is that McCain says he wants a draft. You called me a moron for not knowing that. Which is what you usually do when you can't back up what you're tying to say. . .personally attack the messenger. It reveals a lot about you.

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Somebody on another board posted a clause out of the Constitution that makes that illegal. I'll have to find it again, because I didn't know that.

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I want to see that. How can it be illegal to serve your country?

Since this seems to be a general purpose thread I thought I would throw this in. Seems my little city is getting some attention from the repubs now. Obama was here a few weeks ago (and both Senator Clinton and President Clinton visited during the primaries). Usually we don't get attention from either party since this state has been repub since 1976.

Guess who is coming Sunday. Well gosh, darn, golly yes guessed it. Ya betcha! Palin will be here. I find it interesting that she has booked the Asheville Civic Center. I guess they don't expect much of a turnout since the ACC has seating for only around 7654 (also saw 7674) people.

I actually could got to this but ..uh...well I would much rather see Tina Fey.

It's not illegal to serve your country. It's illegal to make it mandatory. Which seemed weird to me, because we have had drafts in the past. . .and they weren't deemed unconstitutional. I'll look for the post I saw. . .brb.


ETA: I couldn't find the post, however I did find the the part of the Constitution they were referring to.

Amendment XIII (1865)

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

I guess that would be up to the interpretation of the Supreme Court.

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oH. ok. i SEE NOW. bUT THE TRUTH IS THAT oBAMA ISNT TALKING ABOUT REQUIRING PEOPLE TO SERVE. hE PLANS ON ISSUING INCENTIVES FOR PEOPLE TO SERVE AND OVERALL MAKING IT EASIER FOR THOSE THAT (oops,sorry about the caps lock, I wasn't yelling) want to serve. I posted this link that explains it all on another thread but here it is again

Obama on service

Ok. . .yeah. I'm not against service.

My problem is with the government always having to be involved. Why does it always have to be some federal program?

People are free to become teachers or work or volunteer helping the homeless now. If they are really concerned about these things. . .then offer more financial aid to would be teachers. . . .offer tax write offs for volunteering. . .etc. Don't create some more central government run bureaucracies. It just all seems so Orwellian to me.

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Well from what I understand McCain has talked of service incentives too so... whatever.

Neato.

Just what constitutes "service to one's country"?

How much is he going to pay people who serve?

Is it more noble to sweep a city park for minimum wage than it is to work as a night nurse in an AIDS ward?

Will the adult breadwinners who currently are employed doing some of these jobs lose their jobs because we're going to instead hire 21 year old temp workers to do them as 'service'?

How much of a tax burden is this going to create for people who are serving their country by feeding their families via the work that they do at a 40-hour a week or more job?

If he thinks in a perfectly crafted society *everyone* will do such service, I forsee him, Pelosi, and Barney Frank creating quite a large beast of a program.

Or at least, trying to. Something tells me that if Obama is elected and tries to do such a broad, expensive thing that there are enough legislators worried about votes back home that passing such a thing would be difficult, even if the dems have a congressional majority.

Service incentives I don't have a problem with. . .more government controlled bureaucracies, I have a problem.

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You make a lot of good points.

It's like the teacher service program now. . .Teach America (?). They are not certified teachers. . . I think they make like $10,000/yr but they get their housing and food paid for. I think it would be much better for them just to become teachers and not have to depend on Big Brother for their food and shelter. It's getting pretty scary lately no matter who you're voting for. I watched an interesting piece last night. . .I'll start another thread for it though.

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Exactly, hambirg!

I mean... seriously. Using your Teach America example, what if suddenly we have a number of people who are not certified teachers (and therefore unqualified to take full-time long-term teaching jobs) flood the system? What then becomes of the teaching profession? What happens to recent graduates looking for jobs who have to compete with cheaper, less qualified practically-volunteer 'teachers' (can we call them teachers if we can't call Joe a plumber, btw?) flood the market, and on the federal dole?

What happens to *students*? I was a teacher for several years (and yes, I held a certificate) and there is much more to it than simply knowing the subject matter you are expected to teach. You have to be an expert in children and learning styles, you have to know laws governing IEP's and how to pull them off. You have to know what disabilities to watch for and to whom referrals should be made. You have to understand the balance between auditory, tactile/kinesthetic/visual lesson presentations and how to effectively reach a pool of students who don't learn in the same ways. You have to be able to evaluate textbooks and be ready to commit to a curriculum program for several years when you make the recommendation to go with a certain pubisher. You have to have a broad awareness of children's literature... and sadly, in today's world, you have to know not to flirt with your students, something some don't quite understand when they walk into a classroom!

If you get a 'semi-volunteer' in a classroom who doesn't have the proper training, it's the students who suffer in the long run.

Since you guys cant be bothered to read Obamas plans for improving national service with an open mind, I have found a link from an essay that John Mccain wrote. It was written in 2001 after 9/11. Barack Obama and John McCain seem to agree on this a lot more than they disagree.


The man who wrote this is the man who I used to like and respect.

"Putting the "National" in National Service" by Sen. John McCain

Yes. . .I did read Obama's plans. It sounds like he wants to greatly expand these government programs. Essentially putting service and volunteerism in the hands of the central government. My question is why? People can freely choose to serve on their own. It can be encouraged, but why make it all under the direct control of the feds?

I'm not sure if that is what McCain is talking about. He says national service is crucial. . .but doesn't define what he means by "national sevice."

I'm not arguing that Obama and McCain see national service as important. Why would you be surprised that they agree on national service? They both work for the federal government, no? The difference is how they will go about getting people to serve.

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Wow. You are so obsessed with not liking Obama that you are putting words into my mouth. I never said i was surprised McCain and Obama agree. Some people are too biased to have a discussion with. I'm done responding to you on this subject. We disagree end of story.

Inall honestly I think alot of us should really just throw in the towels and admit to agree to disagree for all our sanity... Peace.. Catherine

You're sick. Seriously. I hope you get the help you need.

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