I see the last thread was locked, so , here we go again folks.

I was driving to an appointment this morning, and I was rehashing some of the things that have been talked about on this board, and the thread about Palin's wardrobe stuck in my head......trying to figure out what I really thought of that kind of money being spent on her wardrobe.

The thing that kept coming to mind was , "wait a minute......here we are all up in arms over $150,000 for her and her family to look nicely in front of the American people. Well, where is all the outrage for the millions and maybe billions, that have been taken directly from taxpayer's pockets, and given to those on public aid who are perfectly able to get jobs???"


Isn't that really what we should be crying about???


Just my thoughts on it............

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Most certainly we should be caring about more important things. Honestly I could care less about her clothes.There are totally much more important things that should be on our plates.Catherine

I saw her interviewed on tv tonight and she said the Republican party paid for it. She won't be keeping any of those clothes. They 'aren't hers' per say.

I don't think anyone's disputing any of that. Although it does make you wonder what she plans on wearing if she's elected.

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I think the fact that she claims to be just "Jane six pack" an ordinary hockey mom like so many of America and yet is wearing a jacket that wasn't paid by her and it cost more than most people make in a week is what people are outraged about. I consider myself ordinary and a wrestling mom and I don't spend that much on clothes. And what was she wearing before she was tapped for the VP slot?

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A week! She spent more altogether than most people take home in three years! And it's not just outfitting the candidate, but her family as well.

And why is it we can't be concerned with both the welfare issues and Palin's extravagances? Just because John McCain can't focus on two issues at the same time doesn't mean the rest of us can't.

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I do think it goes to prove that Palin is ""Jane six pack - an ordinary hockey mom". She did not already have clothes that were "presentable" for being a VP pick. I am sure if she dressed her normal way the comments about how unprofessional she looked would be all over the place.

It is not like Palin had time to go shopping. There has not been that much time since she was announced as the VP pick. (Aug.30)

Give me a break. She was the governor of Alaska and there are tons of photos out there of her clothing prior to her nomination. She had perfectly acceptable clothing.

It's fascinating how it's convenient for some people to forget that Palin is no "Jane Six Pack" when it suits them but that she was an high powered, high flying executive of a state when circumstances change.

Even if she needed a few more items, the objection is to the outrageous cost and the need for the "designer" labels. If she were smart, she'd have had some things picked up at Talbots, Ann Taylor, Macy's, Dillards, places like that. There was no need for top of the line extravagance. It's particularly amusing that she chose to get the clothing from those elitist places like Chicago . . .

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Michelle Obama is the one that wears designer clothes all the time. Yeah.. like most of us average people can offered a $900 purple dress.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/fa...on&oref=slogin

"Some more than others. Though she is not Mrs. Obama’s exclusive dressmaker, Ms. Pinto, a designer known for luxuriant evening wear, is a favorite of Mrs. Obama, who wore buzzed-about Pinto creations when her husband announced his candidacy and on the night of the notorious fist-bump before his speech claiming the Democratic nomination, among other occasions"

Would you please use the bathroom for your crap instead of this board? Although the link you post doesn't even mention a the cost of her clothing, assume that Mrs. Obama has a 900.00 dress that she paid for? Sen. Palin wore a 2,500 jacket that she didn't pay for! Really, that's about the most pathetic attempt you've made yet to justify the sheer waste of campaign donations.

Since you like the NY Times all of a sudden: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/23/us...l?ref=politics

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Do you ever feel like your in grade school again and the new girl just came in from out of town and she's cute, smart with a terrific personalty, involved in all phases of things that are going on in school, and outside activities, a strong faith & famliy, and seems to care about everyone, really trying to fit in. and you decide you just don't like her?

Actually, no. More like high school with a bunch of wannabe cheerleaders and their moms one of whom is ready to lie, cheat and steal if her daughter doesn't make the squad.

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No, it is just the hypocrisy of the entire thing. She looked fine enough to be Governor of Alaska, she had clothes. And if she had bought her own clothes and spent 150,000 of her own money, no one would have said a thing. No one would have known. It is the fact that she went to an "elite" store and spent an obscene amount of the party's money just to claim that she is just a hockey mom and regular folk. I don't know why it is hard to admit that it seems hypocritical. Not hateful, just the facts.

And the trying to fit in?????Fit in with whom? I don't have any clothes from Neimans. And I can bet that more than 99% of the people she is appealing to do not have any clothes from Saks. Much less 150,000 worth of clothes.

It is interesting that some people claim that no one can be critical of "King" Obama, but when you state facts about "Queen" Palin, one is accused of just not liking someone. It isn't a matter of like.

Palin did not even go to the stores. The fashion stylist brought outfits in several sizes for the Palin family.
The expense is at least for 7 people (Palin family). I am sure more of the expense was spent on Sarah Palin.

I really do not understand why Dem would even care..since I really doubt it was any of their money.

I have not seen hardly anyone yelling about the Obama campaign spending $140,000 on "podium production" - Greek temple columns, etc.
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Probably because he isn't claiming that he is "Joe Six Pack" and just like all of us but more than likely the most important reason this isn't being "yelled" about is because he nor his family are wearing the Greek temple columns.

He has tried to portray himself as one of us....the whole " I grew up poor, blah, blah, blah....." Yes, he is definitely trying to come off as your average Joe, so to speak.

Did anyone ever consider that maybe Sarah Palin NEEDED new clothes??? She did just have a baby 5 months prior to being selected as the VP for Senator McCain. Could she have gotten the clothes cheaper???? You betcha'!!! But, unfortunately I was not consulted on where to find the good stuff at a discount

My point in this thread is that I don't see nearly the uproar over all the wasteful spending programs we have, the fraud in the government assistance programs, etc, as what we are seeing now.

It is my understanding that Sarah Palin did not personally pick out the clothes, so does not know how much was spent on them. Furthermore, why should anyone who did not contribute to the RNC give a rip?? I really don't understand that. I guess it's just another way people can find to make a jab at one of the candidates??

I get the whole "she's trying to come off as Jane six pack" or whatever the term is. I think there are a lot of people who change jobs and need to bump up their wardrobe. I've seen it firsthand.

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Obama did grow up poor and made something of himself through education and good decisions. Or at least that is the message I am giving my kids and the message that I see. It is the truth when he says he knows where people who are coming from who are from poor circumstances. He was there. He doesn't have to pretend that he is still poor because he isn't. That is obvious. But he was. Palin is trying to pretend that she is joe six pack and she might be, but the choice of stores and the cost of her wardrobe is not that of JSP.

Again, it has nothing to do with whether I like her or not or am jealous or not....(though I must admit, 150000 worth of clothes would be hard to pass up or give away after a few weeks). What is she going to wear on Nov. 5 if per chance they win? Were the clothes really going to be given away? I wouldn't think so. I am not usually one to think spin but I think this was not going to happen until it came up and caused an uproar.

Palin has clothes to be VP but not to campaign for VP?

That is what I thought Sarah Palin did, too. Her parents were school teachers, and I believed of modest means.





Well, while I would not consider Sarah Palin "poor", she is certainly like raking in the dough like Obama who has made money from his books. She claims to be middle class. I agree with that. Not everyone does, and that's fine.

As for her VP wardrobe verses her VP candidate wardrobe, I am would have to guess there is some sort of government "allowance" for clothing.

At the very least, this has brought up, for me anyway, a new subject to explore......who DOES pay for their wardrobes once they are in office??

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Talking about sheer waste of campaign donations. . . .I'll ask again. You think $800,000 was justified for less than a weeks worth of work to an organizatrion that has less than 60 employees nationwide?!

Because if you do, then you should stop worrying about what the Republican party is doing with it's campaign contributions and start looking at where your money has been going.

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But he did stand up in front of the American people and tell them that he had nothing to do with ACORN. I wonder if that was before or after Obama cut that $800,000 check?

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I found this sight that claims to have a break down of the DNC expenditures:


Expenditures Breakdown, Barack Obama | OpenSecrets

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It's a no win situation. Palin would have been chewed up by the media if she had gone in Saks or Target for her clothes. They would have mad ecomments if she went to the top salon or Great Clips. Either way she cannot win. How much do Obama's suits cost? As a voter I DO NOT CARE!!!

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This is always brought up no matter what the subject, isn't it. Amazing. How can we be talking about the cost of a wardrobe and now somehow it ties to ACORN.

Because what we are really talking about is unjustified campaign expenses.

Is it ok with you that Obama stood up there during the debate and said that he didn't have anything to do with ACORN, when in all actuality he gave them $800,000 for a weeks worth of work?

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Did the Dem party or did Obama himself personally give ACORN money? If the party gave money to ACORN, I am certain that they did not give it to them with the idea that they were buying votes or participating in voter fraud. I don't see how it ties to either candidate unless you can prove that Obama or the Democratic party encouraged voter fraud.
Does it bother you that at one time McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN at a February 20, 2006 immigration reform event.?

I KNOW, I KNOW...... Sarah Palin should sew herself a nice outfit of Oak leaves???? LOL J/K

Found this link, and was surprised to see Campbell Brown saying this:


CNN?s Campbell Brown Rips ?Double Standard? on Palin Clothing Issue | NewsBusters.org

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LOL, by the way she has been built up, I wouldn't be surprised if she could sew an outfit of oak leaves. LOL

Obama did grow up middle class. He admits that they have been blessed. He is not trying to protray himself as Joe six pack, he is working for the middle class.

The main reason why people are so upset over her and the clothes, is because she has been saying that she was going to take on the ole boy network, put the goverenment back on the people side, and STOP ALL THE WASTEFUL SPENDING. A lot of people consider 150,00 wasteful spending.

Who are these "lot of people"?? The democrats?? Of course they will be upset at anything a Republican candidate does. I don't think people are making nearly the deal out of this as the media would like to think, or try and create. It's all such a nice deflection to the comment Joe Biden made about some big event w/in the first 6 months.

anyway, came across this, and thought it might fit into this thread. Granted, it's a blog, but, it has quotes.

Michelle Obama: America is ?Just Downright Mean? | NewsBusters.org

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A lot of people=people on this board, other boards that I visit, people on the news shows, and the comments of people in my neighborhood.........

Biden made that comment and it has been all over the place along with the Palin.

As far as the link you posted, that has nothing to do with Palin.

A lot of people is also the GOP who is upset because that money could of went to help some the members in the party, that are need of more funding.

Very old news but I'm sure there are some who weren't paying attention the first time around. IMO, she was making some pretty broad generalizations but I mostly agree with her. You won't have to look too hard to find a thread on this board bemoaning the meanness of people or discussing how hard it is to stretch a budget or for those with kids in college how expensive it is and how big their debt may be when they get out if they are taking student loans. Senator and Mrs. Obama don't have an answer to all of our day to day problems but IMO a change of guard in DC is lonnnnnnnng overdue.

As far as Governor Palin and her clothes -- to paraphrase another poster -- "you can dress her up but ...". I do find it funny that the people defending the Governor were beside themselves when John Edwards paid $400 for a haircut.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

The Obama campaign gave the money. . .it's not even so much about the voter fraud. . .it's about $800,000 for 1 weeks worth of work. The CSI (ACORN) supposedly did some polling (within one state. . .5 counties I think it was) and charged $800,000 for it. The CSI claims to have only 60 employees nationwide. How is that justified? It makes me wonder what that money was really for. At least we know Palin's wardrobe was really just outrageously priced designer clothes.

The event you speak about that McCain spoke at was put on by Catholic Community Services. Yes, ACORN was represented in the audience along with several other community groups, but I don't think that that implies in any way that McCain supports ACORN.

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That $800,000 was given to CSI for canvasing during the primaries who in turn hired ACORN to the tune of $80,000.

You know, I did a google search for this accusation and found no mention of it on any legitimate news source. It's mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times in blogs and once even in the Washington Times but nothing else. If you could direct me to where you found this information along with a source for what you say acorn did and didn't do I would appreciate it. That being said, I just do not believe that $800,000 was just turned over to acorn for one week of work but if you have sources that would convince me otherwise lmk.

I would also like to add that to my knowledge there has not been an illegitimate vote cast by anyone that was signed up by acorn. Further there has, again to my knowledge, been very little "voter fraud" that has led to a conviction or fine ever in our country. I'm sure it's happened but not by any means to the extent some would like us to believe. Now if you want to discuss voting machines that are unreliable that's a discussion we can have.

In the meantime IMO acorn is a talking point pushed by those interested in causing problems for Senator Obama after the election if he wins. Sour grapes ...

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

CSI and ACORN are one in the same.

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Obama to amend report on $800,000 in spending - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

You don't consider the Pittsburgh Tribune Review a legitmate news source?

How about the New York Times? According to them Obama's own campaign admits to the $800,000.

The Obama campaign has also sought to deflect Republican efforts to tie Acorn’s registration campaign to the Democratic presidential nominee, Senator Barack Obama of Illinois. The Republicans highlighted a federal election filing by the Obama campaign that showed an $832,598 payment last February to an Acorn affiliate, Citizens Services Inc., for “staging, sound, lighting.” The Republicans suggested that the payment was actually for voter registration. But the Obama campaign said it had mislabeled the payment, and it filed an amended report that reflects the money was for get-out-the-vote efforts.


It looks like ACORN has even more problems. . .

Acorn Report Raises Issues of Legality

An internal report by a lawyer for the community organizing group Acorn raises questions about whether the web of relationships among its 174 affiliates may have led to violations of federal laws.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/22/us/22acorn.html


Group’s Tally of New Voters Was Vastly Overstated
On Oct. 6, the community organizing group Acorn and an affiliated charity called Project Vote announced with jubilation that they had registered 1.3 million new voters. But it turns out the claim was a wild exaggeration, and the real number of newly registered voters nationwide is closer to 450,000, Project Vote’s executive director, Michael Slater, said in an interview.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/24/us...pagewanted=all

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Well, when you can't justify your new girlfriend's hypocrisy, lies and extravagance, I guess you try to blame it on the other kids.

This ACORN crap is like a broken record. I think we should start writing KEATING 5 every time the word ACORN appears. At least McCain had actual connection to the Keating 5 -- without his help, it would have only been the Keating 4.

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He was just the token Republican.

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Gosh, some of ya'll are wound tight.

I saw her in an interview last night challenging her detractors to go to Alaska to snoop around and find out where she herself shops. A consignment shop.

Sounds pretty six-packy to me.

I'll bet some of you here won't even enter a consignment store, thinking it is beneath you. Go ahead. Raise your hands. You can admit it here among friends.

ETA: Regarding the haircut, it wasn't just the price of fancyman's "do". It was also the fact that they shut down entire major airport for several hours, causing an air traffic back-up, while they waited on his high-dollar stylist to get there to pretty him up. Given what we now know about Edwards, I do think that those who thought him a rather self-absorbed type were on the money.

Nice try, if a bit pathetic. But then, you don't have much to work with, given the enormity of Palin's lies and hypocrisy.

But, gosh darn, she sure looks pretty.

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lies... hypocrisy.... whatev.

I do agree with you about her appearance, though. Looks like they got what they paid for!

Pittsburgh Tribune Review owned by Richard Mellon Scaife -- hardly unbiased

The NY Times article said they corrected an error in reporting. What's the big deal?

As for the last 2 articles from the NY Times -- so what. They overestimated signups and they may have violated some federal laws -- a discovery made by the way by their own lawyer btw.

I just think some are obsessing over what looks to me like a whole lotta nothin. JMO and obviously YMMV.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

Hate to be petty but apparently that's the name of the game here ... you're getting your haircuts confused. The cut that supposedly shutdown an airport (a story that was shown to be untrue btw) was for Mr. Clinton. The $400 "do" was for Mr. Edwards and no airport was involved.

As for consignment shops -- ewwwwww -- I'll admit to never shopping in one as the thought of wearing someone else's clothes gives me the heebie jeebies. A personal hangup and to each her own.

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The Republicans have been putting lipstick on a pig for 8 years. Is a pitbull wearing lipstick an attempt to keep us from noticing the pig?

The Palin's income tax reports for 07 showed income of $208,893.00 with all income (except for per diem amounts for Gov. Palin) but with the adjustments for Todd Palin,their adjusted income was $166,000.00. I would call income of $208K before adj. and $166k after adjustments hardly middle class income......

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Seriously ladies, who cares how much they spent on her clothes. I don't.

The only people who should care are people who donated money to the RNC. If they are ok with how they are using their donation, who cares....unless of course it is in violation of FEC rules....

Wait...whoops....it kinda is. Unless of course she (and her family) plan on only wearing the clothes once or twice, and they plan on giving them all back. Which in turn would be very wasteful, don't cha think?

But, again...I didn't donate, and if the RNC isn't breaking the FEC rules and they have nothing to hide, then who cares, right?

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jeanie, what about '06? And '05?

I think they are pretty new to money and probably still feel very much 'middle class.'

That '07 income included the monetary award for his winning the world snow machine racing competition, and I believe the deductions you refer to were the expenses associated with his snow racing endeavors. That's all legit. I think even gamblers get to write off their losses when considering their wins, don't they? I know my husband wins a lot of golf tournaments and 'earns' quite a bit in prize money, but it is offset by the <snort> "investment" we make in the sport.

At least he thinks it's an investment.

Had Todd Palin not given up his job with BP it would've been more....

Adjusted net income for 2006 was 126K.....but can't find figures for 2005

Yeah, I know all about the golf "investments"..DH is an 11 handicapper and if we could deducts his expenses we would be this close to poverty level

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Jeanif your words are so very true, not middle class at all, If you can find the amount of money earned in 2005 I would love for you to post it.. Thanks, CAtherine

I'm married to a 2.4 handicapper. To call him an addict would be the understatement of the year.

The most disappointing words I seem to hear that follow, "I won $400..." are, "... in club credits."

Gotta love when the winnings are nothing but more golf stuff and rarely the cold hard cash we golf widows so richly deserve!

Gee if we are going to start talking about who owns what media. . .should we start with Soros???

They didn't just overestimate signups. . .they GROSSLY overestimated them. Why would they even do that? Sway public opinion? Justify the insane amount of money they get from the feds? Obama?

Yes. . .their own lawyer that has now been brought in after the $1million embezzlement came to light. . .says that they violated federal laws.

I don't call being on the federal dime. . .grossly overestimating what you do. . .a crappy job at it too. . .and the owners embezzling $1million dollars as "a whole lotta nothing."

Here's an idea. Show up at your job tomorrow. .. don't do anything. . .and embezzle $1 million dollars. Let's see if your boss thinks that's a "whole lotta nothing." Let us know how that works for you.

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