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Old 10-24-2008, 07:06 PM
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Feeling jaded over the whole election? First off, I am a conservative and I will be the first to admit that I hate what Bush has done with the country... He should have been a fiscal conservative and he spent like there was no tomorrow. Yes, he should have made sure there was better oversight with all the lending and now we have all the foreclosures, I understand there were people over it in congress, but the buck stops with him... the gas prices which thank heavens are finally starting to fall, the market is going nuts... Needless to say, I'm not happy with him as a president, however, I don't like the two options we have... McCain is trying to get so many of the independents because "he isn't afraid to go against the 'republicans,' he chairs things with Pelosi and Kennedy and it's usually 80/20 (he's giving up 80% of what he wanted, just to get 20%, so the other team get's 80%) I don't think he's another George W, who will spend like there is no tomorrow, and I do like that he has never put in an earmark, ever... Obama has questionable associates, not much in the way of experience, he's never owned his own business, but wants to increase taxes on all small businesses making over $250K (not a brilliant idea, people will loose jobs)... I hate how people are getting about the whole election, and throwing mud at each other, conservatives vs. liberals, and right now everyone hates the "other team". I'm just sick of it right now and wondering if anyone else is, or is it just me.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:09 PM
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Heck, no. I'm excited and giddy over the probability that, after eight years, we're about to finally take the trash out of the White House.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:11 PM
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Feeling jaded over the whole election? First off, I am a conservative and I will be the first to admit that I hate what Bush has done with the country... He should have been a fiscal conservative and he spent like there was no tomorrow. Yes, he should have made sure there was better oversight with all the lending and now we have all the foreclosures, I understand there were people over it in congress, but the buck stops with him... the gas prices which thank heavens are finally starting to fall, the market is going nuts... Needless to say, I'm not happy with him as a president, however, I don't like the two options we have... McCain is trying to get so many of the independents because "he isn't afraid to go against the 'republicans,' he chairs things with Pelosi and Kennedy and it's usually 80/20 (he's giving up 80% of what he wanted, just to get 20%, so the other team get's 80%) I don't think he's another George W, who will spend like there is no tomorrow, and I do like that he has never put in an earmark, ever... Obama has questionable associates, not much in the way of experience, he's never owned his own business, but wants to increase taxes on all small businesses making over $250K (not a brilliant idea, people will loose jobs)... I hate how people are getting about the whole election, and throwing mud at each other, conservatives vs. liberals, and right now everyone hates the "other team". I'm just sick of it right now and wondering if anyone else is, or is it just me.
It's not just you. I think alot of it is the whole Coke vs. Pepsi thing in politics. I am really starting to believe that the difference between the two parties is a sham. . .there is no difference. It's the governmnet against the citizens. None of the politicians can seem to do what they promise. . .but look how quickly they came together over the bailout. . .even though it was extremely unpopular with the public.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:13 PM
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I just want it over...I'd love to vote today, and let the fights over the legality of the election get started.

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Old 10-24-2008, 07:17 PM
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Totally agree, coke verse pepsi, however can I change it to tea verse coffee lol. Seriously while I so want a change and I want a Democrat, our country is truly is a deep heep of messiness... So again to repeat whomever takes over ,,,, its going to be a the hardest job ever.Again like I said I cannot promise Obama will change the country and fix everything, nor do I think McCain can anyway so in the end does any of us truly win with whom we want to head our Country???? Peace.. Catherine
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:22 PM
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I can't imagine thinking the parties are the same.
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Old 10-24-2008, 07:28 PM
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I can't imagine thinking the parties are the same.
But yet the results are pretty much always the same.

Watch the first 30min of that Icke piece. Tell me what you think. If nothing else. . .watch from about minute 9 for a bit.

Either I'm cracking up or he's pretty darn right on the money.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:06 PM
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:19 PM
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Yes, I'm sick of it too. You know, it's kind of funny if you really think about it..... here we have these two political parties that having other people (the citizens) basically fighting their battle for them. I just find the whole thing kind of funny.

I am ready for someone to get in there, anyone at this point, and get this country back on her feet. We're down on our knees right now, not a total knocked down, and we need some new direction. I just worry that people feel like they must have government involvement to make it. We need to be resourceful and look out for ourselves. Yes, the elderly, invalid, etc. need some help. I personally think the vast majority of the rest of us just need to go see a budget counselor and get a clue.

I agree with the poster who said we could do a better job running the country ourselves.....I'm pretty sure that was said here. I would be happy to pay $5 or $10 per family member to pay down our debt. Or do a donation type thing.....kind of like a telethon. We should have a "pay off our National Debt already" telethon. Then, cut the credit cards up that our government is using.

I've gotten very disgusted with government. They're all full of crap, and I truly wonder WHY anyone would even go in to politics, truly.

At this point I really don't care who wins, I'm placing my vote, and that's all I can do.
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Old 10-24-2008, 09:47 PM
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Here's where I am with this....

I'm really weary of it. I don't hate Bush like so many seem to, even in his own party. He's had one of the wildest rides as President, and had to go places no President ever did. It was the first attack on our own soil in modern history. He entered his presidency with the economy in a downward spiral thanks to the bursting of the internet bubble, saw things get better, and then saw them come crashing down and is taking the brunt of the blame for something that <queue Barney Frank lisp machine here> hath lothts uff plame to gho athrount.

We seemed to be living in econmic prosperit during the Clinton years, but found out a lot of it was built on air when the drugstore.com $25 off any order of $25 or more turned out not to be so hot on the the flipside and more.com couldn't deliver those expensive razors to us for $1... forever. All those capital gains people were paying on high-flying stocks they were selling were a boon to the government coffers until we clued in to the fact that it was all just monopoly money and air. Look at the stock quote history for stocks like Cisco (CSCO) and Sun Microsystems (SUNW) and relive the pain of what was going on when Bush took office. We were all feeling it.

Just like we were at the end of the Carter years when Reagan swept in on a magic carpet fueled by unrest and frustration on the part of a populace who were highly displeased with their leader. And since I was but a kid at the time, I really can't wax philosophical about much of that... lol.

Bottom line: There is nothing new under the sun. Well, except Palin, and I'm glad to have been introduced to her this election cycle.

I would love for McCain to win. I will vote for him. He better represents my values than Obama. He would not have been my first choice, but when paired against Obama he is definitely my first choice.

But again, I also know that there is nothing new under the sun.

Whomever is elected President is going to get credit for taking us out of a recession. If you look at the underlying economic indicators right now, you'll see movement that is very positive. Energy prices are coming down. Oil used to be $20 - $40/barrel and we paid $1.70/gallon for gas. It went sky high up to $150/barrel and gas went to over $4. Now oil - at least Brent Spot Sweet Crude - was running in the $50's for a couple of hours today. I see that gas in Oklahoma City is within twelve cents of being back into the $1.XX range. The US dollar has been slowly and quietly gaining ground against the Euro and the Canadian dollar after many months of sliding.

Wall Street is bad right now but - to almost quote John McCain - the fundamentals of our economy are *getting* strong, and in a year or two, things are going to be better regardless of whether we are in a McCain administration or an Obama administration.

I do know that many of Obama's ideas run counter to what I think is best for the country long-term. But I take great comfort in the fact that if he is elected, the Republicans will start to gain power back in the very next election cycle. That's just how it works. Time and again, when someone is elected President and has a majority congress that would seem to compliment them, there are ultimately a lot of disagreements that lead to stalemates that lead to frustrated citizens that lead to the balance of power tipping to the other party. Even if Obama doesn't win, at some point the Republicans will fall out of power, and the sooner it happens, the sooner we get it back.

Whatever happens, I'll probably always see the glass as being half full.
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Old 10-24-2008, 10:57 PM
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Here's where I am with this....

I'm really weary of it. I don't hate Bush like so many seem to, even in his own party. He's had one of the wildest rides as President, and had to go places no President ever did. It was the first attack on our own soil in modern history. He entered his presidency with the economy in a downward spiral thanks to the bursting of the internet bubble, saw things get better, and then saw them come crashing down and is taking the brunt of the blame for something that <queue Barney Frank lisp machine here> hath lothts uff plame to gho athrount.

We seemed to be living in econmic prosperit during the Clinton years, but found out a lot of it was built on air when the drugstore.com $25 off any order of $25 or more turned out not to be so hot on the the flipside and more.com couldn't deliver those expensive razors to us for $1... forever. All those capital gains people were paying on high-flying stocks they were selling were a boon to the government coffers until we clued in to the fact that it was all just monopoly money and air. Look at the stock quote history for stocks like Cisco (CSCO) and Sun Microsystems (SUNW) and relive the pain of what was going on when Bush took office. We were all feeling it.

Just like we were at the end of the Carter years when Reagan swept in on a magic carpet fueled by unrest and frustration on the part of a populace who were highly displeased with their leader. And since I was but a kid at the time, I really can't wax philosophical about much of that... lol.

Bottom line: There is nothing new under the sun. Well, except Palin, and I'm glad to have been introduced to her this election cycle.

I would love for McCain to win. I will vote for him. He better represents my values than Obama. He would not have been my first choice, but when paired against Obama he is definitely my first choice.

But again, I also know that there is nothing new under the sun.

Whomever is elected President is going to get credit for taking us out of a recession. If you look at the underlying economic indicators right now, you'll see movement that is very positive. Energy prices are coming down. Oil used to be $20 - $40/barrel and we paid $1.70/gallon for gas. It went sky high up to $150/barrel and gas went to over $4. Now oil - at least Brent Spot Sweet Crude - was running in the $50's for a couple of hours today. I see that gas in Oklahoma City is within twelve cents of being back into the $1.XX range. The US dollar has been slowly and quietly gaining ground against the Euro and the Canadian dollar after many months of sliding.

Wall Street is bad right now but - to almost quote John McCain - the fundamentals of our economy are *getting* strong, and in a year or two, things are going to be better regardless of whether we are in a McCain administration or an Obama administration.

I do know that many of Obama's ideas run counter to what I think is best for the country long-term. But I take great comfort in the fact that if he is elected, the Republicans will start to gain power back in the very next election cycle. That's just how it works. Time and again, when someone is elected President and has a majority congress that would seem to compliment them, there are ultimately a lot of disagreements that lead to stalemates that lead to frustrated citizens that lead to the balance of power tipping to the other party. Even if Obama doesn't win, at some point the Republicans will fall out of power, and the sooner it happens, the sooner we get it back.

Whatever happens, I'll probably always see the glass as being half full.
You make some very excellent points.

As for your "republicans getting back in power" comment, I was reading something today and it sort of went along those lines..... the author was saying how we never do well with all the same party in control of the White House and Congress. We need a system of checks and balances, and that is accomplished when different parties control the different branches. Seems good sense to me.

I, too, think Bush got a raw deal, and is taking a bad rap for everything. As I have said many times before......people were so quick to bad mouth him when gas started to rise, where is the praise for him now that prices are so much lower???? Does anyone know what rate we should be in factoring in for inflation??? I just remember gas being $1.99 in March 2005.
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Old 10-24-2008, 11:19 PM
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aia, the only part that scares me this time is that the press is in bed with the liberals so much that... well, *they* are supposed to be the final check/balance, and they're going to be very slow on the uptake because they are all snuggly with Obama and crew.

However... I also remember how much they loved Clinton. He made them swoon. And yet... as soon as Monica and the blue dress hit Drudge, it became all about the ratings and their loyalty cards got dropped into the gutter. In the end, a good story trumped personal politics.

Rush Limbaugh enjoyed some of his best ratings ever during the Clinton years. The Paul Shanklin songs from that era still make me smile. Even the Ross Perot ones are stuck in my brain forever.

The lovefest will end at some point. It always does. It always feels so *urgent* right now, this need to defeat the other side... but ultimately, the other side always defeats themselves... whoever the "other side" happens to be.
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Old 10-26-2008, 06:13 AM
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How I feel about the vote.
It’s not about wanting a Republican or Democrat in control.
It’s about needing God in control of what’s happening.

I understand now what my mother taught me about the world at large.
We are one generation from God-less-ness. This is proving to be that generation.
( Remember the old saying Cleanliness is close to Godliness.)

When such a large number of people are willing to lay aside their own beliefs due to their mal content with one man, a human being, they’ve misplaced the value of what their vote can be. People shouldn’t base their vote on popularity, likeability, or immediate circumstances. “People will always let you down, God won’t”.
He remains faithful and true, Patient, but Just. (II Peter 3:9-10)

Little by little, my world has become more and more toxic with the “I, Me, My” entitlement attitude. Pardon me, but if we’re reading the same Good Book, where’d all blessings come from in the first place. They are resources and need to be used as such.

The America my forefathers founded has been diluted to the point where I see such a HUGE part of the current population taking part in no religion at all. Aimlessness. Those first Americans wanted freedom from religious persecution and here some of us sit a short 232 years later being persecuted again because that “God” isn’t politically correct.
What generation let go?

I look at the Blues and Reds of the map and can’t help but notice I’m squished in the middle. I’ve never wanted to leave this Great Country of ours, but it’s beginning to feel less and less like the old values of wholesomeness that made it so great. New isn’t always better, it’s just different, and different doesn’t make it right.

I waited a longer time than most to come on this elections board to start posting after it opened to speak my beliefs. I wanted to have a clear purpose of sharing and not bickering just to let off steam. Thanks for letting me share. My Mycoupons Homepage has some of the reasons I am voting the way I will.
My heart really does break for a country so torn apart by sin and anger.

That one generation of difference or indifference as it could be looked upon, seems to be now.

Barack Obama's religious background is more diverse than that of most prominent politicians, but it may prove to be representative of future generations of Americans who grow up in an increasingly diverse America. His mother was raised by non-practicing Christians; his father was raised a Muslim but was an atheist by the time he had married Obama's mother. Obama's step-father was also Muslim, but of an eclectic kind who could make room for animist and Hindu beliefs. Neither Obama nor his mother were ever atheists, but she raised him in a relatively secular household where he learned about religion.

In his book The Audacity of Hope, Barack Obama writes:

" I was not raised in a religious household. For my mother, organized religion too often dressed up closed-mindedness in the garb of piety, cruelty and oppression in the cloak of righteousness. However, in her mind, a working knowledge of the world's great religions was a necessary part of any well-rounded education. In our household the Bible, the Koran, and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology.

On Easter or Christmas Day my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites. In sum, my mother viewed religion through the eyes of the anthropologist; it was a phenomenon to be treated with a suitable respect, but with a suitable detachment as well.” end quote.


God doesn’t long for “suitable detachment.”
Ask him what He does want before you vote.


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Old 10-27-2008, 07:22 PM
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aia, the only part that scares me this time is that the press is in bed with the liberals so much that... well, *they* are supposed to be the final check/balance
That is a very valid point and one that has been getting under my skin for months. For every 12 Obama positive stories, you see 1 McCain positive story and 10 anti-McCain stories. There are many good McCain things that could be written about, should be written about, but the press is so jaded that they don't even bother.

Whenever a negative report on Obama surfaces, people scream, Untrue! Unfair! Racist!

The press has a responsibility to provide fair and honest reporting, which they blatantly are not doing. They are disregarding the "equal and balanced information" that we, as a country deserve.
 

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