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Old 10-27-2008, 05:19 PM
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Stevens guilty

Jury finds Stevens guilty of lying about gifts: Sen. Ted Stevens | adn.com

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Old 10-27-2008, 06:16 PM
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Wonder what the likelihood of Stevens asking Bush for a pardon....just so we Dems don't get any closer to the 60 seat control in the Senate. Of course I do not know how that would work if he isn't sentenced until February. Don't know about all the legal aspects.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:10 PM
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Stevens could get 5 years for each count. But, he's probably looking at probation.

Bush did not pardon Libby. He commuted the sentence. I'm wondering if Bush will issue a pardon for Cheney et al.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:06 PM
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Wonder what the likelihood of Stevens asking Bush for a pardon....just so we Dems don't get any closer to the 60 seat control in the Senate. Of course I do not know how that would work if he isn't sentenced until February. Don't know about all the legal aspects.

I think a Bush pardon is likely. But it won't help Stevens in the upcoming election. He'll still have to run with a "guilty" verdict over his head.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:25 PM
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If he does win his seat couldn't he resign before/after sentencing and then Governor Sarah or her replacement could appoint his replacement? I know the dem who is running against him is doing pretty well in the polls but sometimes a situation like this brings out the contrarian voters.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:31 PM
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I can't imagine why Bush would pardon Stevens. What would be the benefit to him?
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:57 PM
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I think Bush is so marginalized that "benefitting" him doesn't even matter. I think he might do it simply because he wants to. Mission accomplished.
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Old 10-31-2008, 04:58 PM
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Today, Stevens says that since his case is under appeal, "I have not been convicted of anything."
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Old 10-31-2008, 04:59 PM
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Maybe it's that Alaska water or air, since Stevens and Palin seem to share a similar ability to deny that they've been founded guilty of offenses.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:10 PM
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Seems as though I read about a democrat senator this week who was caught stuffing money in her bra? Now, that's real classy!
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:14 PM
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Post a link, so we'll know it's not just one of your many fantasies.

Pretty sure stuffing your bra isn't a felony, though.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:20 PM
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Diane Wilkerson. And it's called bribery. This link even has a nasty surveillance picture of her stuffing her bra. So typical of low life democrats.



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Old 10-31-2008, 07:23 PM
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Look at that, she dropped out of the race -- and she hasn't even been convicted of anything. Notice neither Stevens nor Palin were willing to drop out of their races -- and they've both been found guilty of violations.

So typical of even high life Republicans. The sleaze factor just reeks.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:26 PM
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Wilkerson should drop out of the race but she's not. She's doing a write-in campaign.

You libs are all alike. You can't see wrong even when it's right in front of your eyes. Typical -- so typical.
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Old 10-31-2008, 07:50 PM
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Again, with the lies. She dropped out of the race.

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A solemn state Sen. Dianne Wilkerson announced today she is ending her sticker campaign seeking re-election following a chorus of calls for the eight-term Democrat to quit.

Her decision comes after a morning meeting with members of the city’s Ten Point Coalition and Black Ministerial Alliance who were asking the Roxbury senator to resign as she confronts corruption charges.

The clergy groups even gave Wilkerson a 15-minute ultimatum today to either side with ministers in a joint statement or face being left behind. Wilkerson soon agreed to end her defiant run for re-election.
Wilkerson terminates campaign - BostonHerald.com

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Old 10-31-2008, 09:37 PM
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If Wilkerson does decide to launch a write-in candiacy for her state congressional office, she's an idiot. Same as I think Stevens is when he ignores calls from his own party to resign. And when he continues to assert that he hasn't been convicted. Because, well, he has.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:41 PM
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Again, with the lies. She dropped out of the race.



Wilkerson terminates campaign - BostonHerald.com

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She was pressured out. . .as of today. She really is a sleazy piece of crap. I can't find where I read it, but she is caught on tape bragging about "being taken care of" to an undercover FBI agent.
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Old 10-31-2008, 09:54 PM
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She was pressured out. . .as of today. She really is a sleazy piece of crap. I can't find where I read it, but she is caught on tape bragging about "being taken care of" to an undercover FBI agent.

She was only indicted on Tuesday, 10/28, so it's not like she hung on to any grand plan to try to hold on to her seat for long. She also was pressured out by fellow Massachusetts Democrats, who thankfully don't want her as part of the party ticket. Condemnation came swiftly and surely.

That does stand in contrast to Stevens, who received his party's endorsement when under indictment, and continues to hold on to his seat and try to be re-elected even after his conviction in a jury trial.
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to Mom2twins2 yes we liberals are all the same. We all know what the Bush Administration has done to all of us personally. Now as far as we cannot admit anything wrong that has happened in the last year, Sorry but its your Repulicans whom are all blind and cannot admit that your much loved presidetn Bush has done anything wrong, which he has bbbbbbbbbbbbbiiiiiiiggggggggggg time... Catherine
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Old 11-01-2008, 12:23 AM
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He will be backed by the party even though found guilty because ,guilty or not, they need to NOT lose another seat, which they will.....
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Old 11-01-2008, 01:47 AM
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She was only indicted on Tuesday, 10/28, so it's not like she hung on to any grand plan to try to hold on to her seat for long. She also was pressured out by fellow Massachusetts Democrats, who thankfully don't want her as part of the party ticket. Condemnation came swiftly and surely.

That does stand in contrast to Stevens, who received his party's endorsement when under indictment, and continues to hold on to his seat and try to be re-elected even after his conviction in a jury trial.
Yes. . .the state Demsocrats and the state Republicans asked her to step down and end her campaign. But it is my understanding that it was her supporters in the black community churches that gave her the ultimatum to step down and stop her write-in campaign, that finally led to her actually doing it. They gave her 15 miuntes to decide, according to reports, or they were going to publicly denounce her.

She has had many past problems though. She was found guilty of tax evasion in 1997. The bar association in her state filed perjury charges against her in Oct 2008 regarding her testimony in 2005 in her nephews manslaughter trial. She also has been fined for ethics violations in 2001 and 2005.

I don't see where the condemnation came "swiftly and surely" in any of these earlier convictions and accusations. I think we saw it this time because it is a high profile election year and because she is caught on tape.

That all being said. . .she's an embarrasment to the Democratic Party and I'm glad she is finally being held accountable for her actions.

ETA: I have mixed feelings about Stevens stepping down. I'm not sure how Alaskans really feel about it. Sometimes it is hard to give up a senior senator just becuase of the power and influence they have in the interest of your state. Norm Dicks is my senator. I don't agree with him on many things, but it is nice to know that he has been there long enough to have built up some influence in regards to things that matter to your district. Personally I think Stevens should step down. Maybe Alaskans won't vote for him because of this scandal, but given the choice between a freshman Dem and a freshman Repub, they will probably choose the Repub.
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