I wonder if McCain, who was SO "upset" over Obama not condemning Rep. Lewis' remarks, will condemn this horrendous act.

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And where do you see that they support Sen. McCain??

Where did I say they did?

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Exactly mom2twins2!

Many of these radicals aren't party associated.

I was not surprised to see this news on Yahoo today. I have said all along that unfortunately, if Obama gets elected, I fear he will be assassinated. There is still quite a huge radical racist population that will not tolerate a colored president.

(and no, I am not racist. I am still not sure who I am going to vote for)

colored? really?

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I hope you were just using the word "colored" as a way to show what some racist americans would use. I haven't heard colored in quite a while.

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Didn't you know that "colored" is a racist term now???

YOU would know what a racist word is, now wouldn't you?

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In the context of the poster, yes it it. It is so disgusting to see you find humor in this.(to paraphrase ones of your con pals)

Has anyone noticed that when the conversation turns to race, the otherwise silent start speaking out. Its like they were just waiting for the opportunity to discuss something they can relate to. Sad truly sad.

I noted that and was waiting for our resident one to show up and give us our "test" for the week. The little happy face at the end of her post says everything anyone would need to have to know exactly where she is coming from. I don't know why anyone would come to her defense but I am sure they will.

It just goes to show what I have said all along.

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It wasn't meant in a bad way. That is the term most commonly used where I am from and grew up with, and my family and friends are not racist in any way. Heck, my aunt was married to a black man and he was my favorite uncle, my best friend growing up when I was a teen was mulatto.

Somone's skin color is just part of who they are, so saying colored, black, white, mexican looking, indian looking is not meant as a derogatory thing. It is just a description. It is not any different to than referring to someone by their hair color.

Is the term outdated in some parts of the county? Maybe, but apparently not here, and I in no way meant it to be derogatory.

I am going to pretend that you aren't a troll. Where are you from? Some part of the country where they don't have TV or any media? Like Gov Pallin's house?

I believe that anyone in this time of life, knows that that word is offensive to many people of color. Note I said people of color. Not colored.


ETA: Mulatto is also a word that went out when colored did. It is now biracial. Lord, help me.

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I am from the Upper MidWest.

The term colored carried over from my parents generation and was regarded as the polite term in their day and age and what they always used.

To be honest with you, I feel all this PC stuff is is ridiculous. We should all have bigger things to worry about they how someone speaks.

Heck, we say pop here to describe a carbonated soft drink, other regions say soda. Things are just different in different places. It doesn't make those who use different terminology bad, wrong, or ignorant.

You don't have to pretend I am not a troll, I signed up here to use the coupons and get the newsletters and just happened to click over and get interested int he boards.

But if you all are going to get your panties in a knot over something so stupid and not meant in a bad way as I have tried to explain, then it is making me rethink joining in here. In a sense, you are displaying towards me exactly what you are insinuating I feel towards other people. Jumping down someones throat just because they are "different" from what you feel is "correct" is very sad and biased.

Riiiight.

My panties aren't in a knot. Usually adults know what words can cause problems when they join a board and right away post such a post.

You aren't different, honey, You are certainly not different than some people here. When someone says it is a racist word, I would apologize and never say it again. But not you nor Kathy can do that. Instead what happens is you say that it isn't a bad word, not my fault and I didn't know or I didn't mean any harm but never do you say Oops sorry, it is what I grew up saying.

Now you know.

Umm and you joined about two hours ago. Just to post here.

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I'm so tire of this hate that really comes to the surface during elections. If Obama were to be elected and killed by some bigot that sure would be a very sad day in American and for Americans.

You are so right. It would be a very dark day for Americans...all Americans.

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You need to get out more. I grew up in the South and heard some of that talk too but I rejected it as soon as I knew it was wrong (around age 6).

The term "colored" has been P.I. since the 60s.

Sadly, US Presidents cannot expose themselves to the public anymore. I feel that if the Secret Service was able to keep W safe, they can surely keep Obama safe.

So, I am supposed to change what is acceptable where I am from to appease you? That is unfair. It isn't a bad word where I come from. If I said African American half of the people here would look at me like I had two heads.

We all need to relearn the meaning of a simple little word... TOLERANCE. You know what that means right? The capability to recognize and respect the beliefs and practices of others.

I won't apologize for speaking like we do here, that's just the way it is where I am at. But I will say I hope you can be tolerant towards others who aren't exactly you and I will say I feel for you taking offense so deeply. No harm intended.

Now, can we get past this pettiness and talk about the issues at hand?

in some parts of the deep South--"colored" is the most polite term used to describe AAs.

And honestly, I would much rather hear "colored" than some of the other terms. Generally, I hear older generation refer to AAs as "colored".

Serious question: What is the preferred term? African-American seems to be a misnomer ( we can all trace our heritage/lineage to some other country...). Is "Black" ok?
Mulatto/Octoroon/Quadroon are not IMHO racist. More of a description of a person's lineage. Granted those terms are not in current use.
Now, you want to talk racist? The term "high yellow" to me is much more offense than referring to someone as a Mulatto.

Aren't we all bi-racial (at some point)?

I think so much of offensive is in the context of a person's speech.

Yes, I know that many of you are going to call me racist. And while you may THINK that it's true, I know it's not--thus call me what you want and think what you want.

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Nobody is calling you a bigot but, yes, you do need to stop using that word. You can say African American or black. The word is considered deprecating.

Maddie:

Now that you know it is offensive, do you stop using it?

Marilyn....because it was used by white people in the South at any time, whether it was last week or last decade, it is considered a racist word from a racist time. What I would like to be referred to is AA or Black.

Now you know.

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Oh my goodness.

Listen, I'm from the upper Midwest, and indeed, grew up in a town so small that it makes Wasilla look like a metropolis. I also use the word "pop" instead of "soda."

Nobody uses the word "colored" there. One of the last persons who I heard use the word "colored" up in this region was my grandmother at some point during the 1970s. She died a few years ago at age 98. I didn't think she meant it as a racist term; it was a term she grew up using and she also used it in a context that was condemning discrimination. But also, when she was told that it wasn't an accepted term, she stopped using it.

I accept your statement that you didn't mean the word as being racist, because I don't think that your post was racist overall, and indeed, I agree with your fundamental point that "there is still quite a huge radical racist population" that will not accept an African American as president and it is something to worry about.

But from one upper Midwest poster to another, "colored" isn't an acceptable term. And it is striking people posting here badly because it hasn't been an acceptable term for several decades. It harkens back to the days of "colored only" drinking fountains and bathrooms.

Anyway, back to the substance of your post and to that of the OP, racism has no place in America. I question whether the two guys arrested today had the ability to carry out their plot. It's heinous, though, that they even had that mindset. I worry about the Timothy McVeighs.

By you just "joining this board" today, I would think you would look around, we have had this conversation over and over. I don't care where you are from, what the people around you may say, or what will make their heads turn...the word "colored" is not a word anyone who has ever watched TV or read a book or knows an AA would use. I just don't believe it. I live in the South and I will tell you this, there are people here who will use the word "colored" and you know what we call them? Racists. or Ignorant. or Bigoted. Take your pick.

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Black was also used by white people in the South---FOR YEARS! How is "Black" any different than "colored"? I'm not dense, I'm not stupid--I just think words only have power if they are allowed to have power. If people didn't get outraged over the "N" word, then it would cease having the power it does.

I'd also like to know how many generations you are removed from Africa?
For example, I know that I'm 1/16 Cherokee. But, I don't insist on being called Native American (although by definition I could). I can trace my heritage/lineage all the way back to Ireland in the 1600--but I don't consider myself "Irish-American". Why do Blacks feel they get to be "'African-American"?

Why can't we drop names and just be people? Why can't we just stop being so damned offended by words? Why can't we be more offended by actions and behaviours?

Oh, and please don't tell me I just don't understand. If you think I don't understand, then explain it to me

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I don't know that they had the ability to do it, but like you, I worry about the fact that they would have tried. I wonder how many other plots that we don't know about have been stopped? And frankly, I am more than pissed off @ the news agencies (at least the TV ones) for glossing over this. Instead they're talking about Palin and her feuding w/ her boss. People wanted to try to KILL Obama and they're worried about her?! wow.

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Here's a shout out to the cops

I always am amused when white people try to tell me what is racist and what is not. Not you, personally, Marilyn but just people in general.

I am biracial but in the eyes of the law I am AA. It doesn't matter how long ago my ancestors came to America from Africa I am still AA. I am also hispanic. I am also caucasian. But I look like I am AA so therefore I am called that.

Colored is what was on the bathroom doors and drinking fountains in the South to keep the black people from contaminating white people. When the civil rights movement began, the first thing black people did was not accept any more to be associated with this time in history. I am not sure if you are old enough to remember when it became important for black people to reclaim what was stolen from then by being dragged here in chains during slavery times. Hence, the pride in being African American. And the name AA.

If you want to be called -American, go right ahead. I will still say that colored is said by bigots or ignorant people or racist people. Unless you have been on the recieving end of the word, you cannot say it isn't harmful or hurtful.

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Sorry, off topic....but how did Maddie69 already earn the following distinction:

Maddie69 is not very nice

I just noticed if you hover over the green square in the corner of their post you get that message.

Agreed. I'm glad the plan or plot was thwarted.

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The term black came to be acceptable during the Black Power Movement.

are you offended by the word "boy"? Depending on the context it's very offensive.
Would I be offended if my doctor said I was overweight? No, because of the context it was used in.
Would I be offended if the lady that took my picture for my driver's license said "you are overweight" Yep, you betcha--she had no business commenting on that.

Look, I have been called "bigot", "racist", "white supremacist"---all because I'm white, and the minute I open my mouth, my Southern drawl is evident (that and I always say ma'am and sir). Those words hurt, it made me angry that someone would judge me because of where I'm from and the color of my skin.
I've lost jobs because I was overweight and not blonde w/ big boobs. I lost out on a scholarship because the other finalist was black (yes, I know, I was told by a member of the selection committee).
You've never been asked how many slaves your family owned or how many lynchings you went to.
You've never had to defend the fact that you are white and Southern. Do you know that my sister nearly didn't get an upper level security clearance because one time in the 1800s there was a distant relative who was knonw to have associated with the KKK? And you want to talk stolen heritage? Let's discuss Native Americans. Let's discuss the Cherokee Nation. I'm sure you are familiar with The Trail of Tears....Not only was the Indians heritage stolen, so was their land, and "their" government engaged in acts of genocide. Even when they were freed--they didn't have anything to look forward to, except life on a reservation. Oh and did I mention that Indians were enslaved as well??
My point is--we've all had rough roads to travel throughout our lives. If you let that rough road define all of your life, then that's YOUR fault. If however, you learn and grow from the rough road and difficulties, then you are much the better for it, and you can go about trying to change the road for the next generation.

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I start by wondering why it matters. If you are told that a term is offensive, why is it necessary to seek out a larger meaning or defend your position.

I'll start with a little (and probably irrelevant) analogy. I'm Czech. Specifically, I'm Bohemian. I once used the term "Bohunk" in front of my grandfather, who erupted. To him this was an outright insult to my heritage. I have never seen him madder. I still don't entirely appreciate the import of the word to him. But, to him, it was an insult. It was a term that carried with it images of being seen as an inadequate person, someone who was stupid and dumb, instead of someone from a proud heritage.

Even though I didn't and don't entirely understand why this term was so offensive, I will never use it again. For my grandfather, it carried a history of bigotry. And that is enough for me.

"Black" isn't regarded, to the best of my knowledge, by anyone as being a pejorative term. African-American is preferred depending on the context. It stems from an effort to equalize terminology. And in a world where we talk about Irish-Americans, Polish-Americans, and Native Americans, there is a place for talking about African-Americans. It is a segment of a larger whole.

If you are talking about discrimination based upon skin color, though, I prefer "black." Because, like it or not, African-Americans and Somalian immigrants face barriers because of their skin color.

Look, American Indians are called American Indians. Black people are called African Americans. It is as simple as that. You don't have to call them either name. But I can guarantee you will be thought of as bigotted or ignorant.

Boy is a term that to Black men is extremely offensive. don't believe me? Call an AA male boy and see what you get. It was a word that was said to put black men in their place. To take their manhood away. Of course it is hurtful and I believe in the context that it is used it is racist. In that context. So is uppity.

But the most telling thing is that even though you are told that they are offensive terms, you still continue to try and defend the words for what reason I can't tell you. The fact that you still want to use words that are hurtful to other humans is weird to me.

I can tell you that once I heard someone say "jew them down". My mother said that was hurtful to people of Jewish descent so I never used it for that reason. I would never ask a Jewish person, to explain why it is hurtful because I know that it is hurtful. Which is why it is interesting to me when people here are told something is racist, they insist on saying "no, it shouldn't be". WTH is up with that.

You can't change history. The majority of my relatives more than likely were slaves. Lived in the South. I know that my parents drove across country when I was five and couldn't stay in a hotel and knew what cities to stay in and I remember not being able to eat in certain restaurants. All because of the color of our skin. Can you say that? You may be fat, but you can lose weight. I can't change my color. You may say that you have been discriminated against because of your weight, but again, that is something that can be changed.

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Dannyboy. You have excellent communication skills. I wish I had written that. It is the way I feel also.

Marilyn, good luck with this. The discussion is beyond old.

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*sigh* I don't continue to use any offensive terms--Nor am I "defending" their use. What I'm saying is, and apparently doing a crappy job of it, the pendulum of political correctness has swung too far the opposite the direction. EVERY word can have negative connotations or meanings. Boy is the perfect example! Good Grief! I have seen black parents get offended when asked "is that your boy over there?" from another parent on the playground. No hidden meaning, no negative implication--just wanted to know which child belonged to which parent. KWIM?

You say you can remember no being able to stop at certain places because of the color of your skin--I'm probably a good 10-15 years younger than you, and I can remember not being able to drive through certain areas because I was white, and the predominately black communities didn't like whites. No, they wouldn't serve us in "their" restaraunts. On the occasions that we played certain teams in basketball tournaments we had to have police escorts to our team bus and out of town. One night we had to leave the game in the middle of the game because of the unrest in the stands--we were in Oklahoma at a predominately Indian school. Racism, bigotry, and hate swing both ways. Blacks don't have the market cornered. No race, religion, creed, sex, etc. has market cornered.

oh and FWIW--none of the 6 or so recognized tribes in Montana care if you call them Indians or Native Americans. They would just like to be seen as equals. Isn't that what we all would want? To be equal?

I guess the succinct version of all my posts: I don't see colored as overtly racist or bigotted. Just like I don't see terms like Redneck or Hick as overtly offensive. I tend to look more in the context of the whole.

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I guess my point is that if you know that others do see these terms as offensive, why would you continue to use them?

Okay, Marilyn.

I am telling you that colored is considered by anyone who is of color as a negative word. Period. What will you do with this information? Continue to use it knowing that it is a racist term from someone who is on the recieving end of the racism. It really doesn't matter whether you feel or think the word colored is a bad word only in context. All words are used in context. If I say I colored my hair it isn't negative (unless it is a wierd color) but use that word while describing a Black person it is. Simple.

The PC you talk about is what makes people polite and not offensive. I seriously doubt that someone wuold get upset if you said which one is your boy but sillier things have happened.

Now, if you called the father a boy as in "Nice to meet you, Boy" or "get off that bench, boy" that is the context that is hurtful. The word colored as used in the post above is in a context that is negative. Period.

So, you keep posting about how the American Indians have been treated. I believe they have been on the recieving end of a raw deal but it still doesn't mean that the experience that black people have had in this country for the past 200 years is marginalized.

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Some people have closed ears and closed minds USNA. You can't teach what they refuse to learn.

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But if a seed is planted, maybe one day it will grow. Hope springs eternal!

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I also saw the same thing out of some members that thought I was crazy for speaking out against the word"vagina" used to describe Palin. Some on here continued for a while to make fun of it. (Please, do not ask "who" because I do not call other members out..you can find the posts yourselves).

I see anything that is used as demeaning or degrading in reference to someone is wrong. Whether it is concerning race, sex, or age.

See, you are marginalizing the Indians (on the receiving end of a raw deal? How very compassionate of you)and their treatment for a period far longer than the Blacks. Oh, and let us not forget: After the Civil War? The African-Americans could have chosen to go back to their homeland. The Indians NEVER EVER had that choice because their homeland was taken from them. You speak of what YOU know. I'm speaking of what I know. To this day Indians are still marginalized. They live on reservations in some of the worst conditions imaginable. It's extremely depressing. When was the last time you visited a reservation?

They were far more suppressed than any black man--and still are to this day! How dare you refer to what they have gone through as being on the receiving end of a raw deal?! How dare you. How very disresctful and just down right bigoted of you.

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I am sure I one of the subjects of your post. I stand by my assertion - McCain's selection of Gov. Palin was calculated not for "country first," but for ...OMG please come out and vote for her if not for me. He had the men, it was the vagina vote he needed. Hopefully it backfired, but I guess we will know Nov 5th. (or later if it ends up in some court)

YouTube - MCCAIN & PALIN in THE VAGINA SONG Featuring The McCain Economy Debate Trio

YouTube - JOHN MCCAIN + SARAH PALIN = GIVE ME YOUR *****(VAGINA) NO

This is my most favorite U-Tube these days == YouTube - "Hey Sarah Palin" (to "Hey There Delilah")

There is a better way to word things. Some people would say that Obama was only a ......
Neither is correct to say like that.
While it may be true (?) there are less offensive ways of stating what you mean.

Once again if you want respect to be shown for a certain race, sex etc. then you have to extend the courtesy to every human being.

I'm white with a heavy Southern drawl. I can honestly say that I have never been called a bigot, fascist or a white supremacist. I have never been asked any of the questions that you have been asked. I have spent a lot of time in many different parts of the country.

Maybe there's another reason you didn't get the scholarship.

Not in this particular and hopefully never to be repeated again situation. He wasn't looking for the best person for the job, he was looking for a vagina that would buy him a few votes. She is little more than a political prostitute IMHO. She willingly allowed the fact that she has a vagina to be used for her personal gain. And, quite frankly, I have met a lot of brighter prostitutes in my lifetime.

Marilyn, you are intelligent but this argument is ridiculous. When an American Indian goes into a store here in charleston, I can assure you he won't be followed but if an AA does he is.

Please, do waste your indignation on me because I said the Indians got a raw deal...They did...you said it first. What happened was a raw deal. What that means is I agree with you and how the AI were treated. Get a grip, woman. Are you so interested in a fight that you will pick something without thinking what I was saying?

And I won't play the who got treated the worst by white people. I know what I know and you are basically the only person I have ever met who said that Indians are more suppressed than black people.

This thread was to call attention to someone trying to assignate a political figure who happens to be AA. I stand by my saying that in the context used the word "colored" is hurtful, ignorant and possibly racist. I do have 1/32 of Creekola Indian. I do know that I wouldn't call AIs redman or hold my hand over my mouth and whoop when I go to the reservation to somevisit some of my cousins. Why? Because I know it is offensiv

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Before I assume to know your exact meaning with the above, would you care to clarify?

Because, I'm really hoping that you aren't suggesting what I *think* you are. And if you are have the balls to say it outright with no innuendo or veiled statements...I dare you.

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I will not lower myself down to write the words that could be applied to Obama presidential run. (to prove my point)
Some will never fully understand how to act in a proper manner.
Once again the total narrow- minded liberals do surprise me.

Listen. You seriously can't brush off one side's objections over language choices when concurrently getting all up in arms over their's.

I don't think that you can start a conversation about how "colored" isn't so bad, and then go ape over a phrase like American Indians receiving a "raw deal" and asserting that it is worthy of great condemnation.

Seriously, you guys, stop. You all believe the same thing. Discrimination is bad. Language choices are important. They reflect a larger meaning.

I think that all anyone is asking here is that you be sensitive to your language choices. That's it.

Thanks, Danny.

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Now, all that said...you took offense to "colored". I took offense to the phrase "receiving end of a raw deal". I stand by what I said that statement is hurtful and marginalizes the suffering and destruction the Indians have and still do endure. Would you say that Jewish people were on the receiving end of a raw deal? I mean, Hitler just hunted them down, rounded them up, corralled them in concentration camps then killed them. What makes it a Holocaust? The shear number?
Oh, wait, our government hunted Indians down, rounded them up, corralled them on reservations, then systematically killed them. Silly me for thinking those events were Horrific.

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Back to the original post...I hope NOTHING happens to Obama. This nation would be in such an uproar! It's really a scary thought.

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Look up Creek Indians from Creekola, Oklahoma.

But not that it matters because it doesn't but I don't put the two in the same boat but I won't use the words, raw deal to describe what I think those people who have had a horrible experience in America. How's that?

Truly, since you are not an Indian, I am guessing that you do not have first hand knowledge about being treated badly because of the color of your skin or your race, right? I can't say that I know how someone who is of Arab descent feels when someone moves away from them or takes a different plane but I feel compassion for them. I wouldn't call them "towelheads" or whatever the latest word is...why? Towelhead is just a word. But it is a word that hurts. And is racist in tone.

Raw deal is not racist. Not a word that hurts. Colored is and is a word that could hurt due to it brings back a time in our history that was not a good one.

I bet if I asked an AI if I said raw deal, would he be offended. I don't think so. I believe he would say, yeah but that isn't all.

Danny said it all. I am not angry about someone using the word "colored" except when they use it even after someone tells them that it can be used in a hateful way.

I am sorry you feel like I don't have any integrity or honor any more because I used two words. Meh, I guess I will have to live with the fact that you don't care for me because I said what I thought. You get away with it all the time. Doesn't change my mind about you. Or it didn't.

How many black men do you know? I know many. And they are also taught not to fight authority. There are many who won't look authority in the eye. There is no doubt that AI and AA have gotten a raw deal here in America. But weren't you the poster who said that this shouldn't keep anyone down? If so, how can it be that AI that you know are still on the reservation and not in the workplace. Since it shouldn't matter what color or background you are?

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Ir was genocide.

Given the large numbers of reported white supremacists in the US, an assignation attempt on Obama is not far fetched theory, but more probable than not is currently being planned by one if not more of the Supremacist groups. I don't fear the KKK as much as I do the true supremacists. I don't think the KKK has the organization, money or guts to try. I could be wrong.

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I agree. I was speaking to the fact that they got a small piece of land to live on when they were the original owners of all the land when I said raw deal.

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Having a black man on the ticket is a horrible move (politically speaking) for the Democratic ticket. Our country speaks of the importance of freedoms and equality and even invades other countries to prove it, yet nothing could be farther from the truth in many areas of this country. Bush's rating is in the 20's, and 9% of the country thinks we are moving in the right direction; yet, this could be a very close race --- you think being black is an asset? Funny.

I am not a "liberal." Eight years ago, I would have voted for Sen. McCain. I have disliked this administration since the day it started to get Bush elected. There is a greed and cynicism about it that just ozzes ick. I believe it is a toxic combination of Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, and a few others that hijacked both the Republican Party and religion. And, as the last 8 years have proven, I was correct in my assessment.

Second, I do understand how to act in a proper manner in the proper situation. This is not one of them. You brought up vagina and I explained why I use the term when discussing the selection of Palin as VP. And, quite frankly, I don't believe she was McCain's choice. But, it was ultimately his decision and I believe a major factor in the decision was her vagina. So, sue me ....

not all the AIs I know are on the reservation--I know many who aren't. I know a cop, community leaders, legislators, etc. If I gave that impression, I apologize

I believe that perhaps we both got our feelings out and got defensive and probably said things in a way that could be taken as more snarky than intended. I apologize if I offended you. It was not my intent. I initially felt that everyone jumped on the poster who used colored for a phrase/term that wasn't meant to be racist.

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Post is over 50 so I'm going to close it now - pls feel free to start another thread.

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