Generated Crisis?

hambirg · #1 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 05:50 AM

I found this kind of interesting. Can anybody refute any of what he's saying? I'm too tired to Google my a*ss off right now. . .maybe tomorrow.

Joe Biden made headlines by talking about a “generated crisis” for a President Obama. But is the current financial meltdown another “generated crisis?” Considering the problems in the economy, including too much federal debt, too much spending and easy credit, which have been with us for years, why did this crisis suddenly occur only six weeks before the election?

Who’s Behind the Economic Collapse?

truble2301 · #2 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 07:14 AM

One person's interesting is another person's tin hat theory.

Here's something interesting:

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Ooooooh, Barracuda!

October 28, 2008 3:34 PM

Allies of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin are now trying to throw McCain aide Nicolle Wallace under the proverbial bus, and as they do so those in McCain’s circle are wary of the impact on Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., himself.

Since becoming McCain's running mate, there have been a host of issues where Palin publicly challenged decisions made by McCain – withdrawing from competition in Michigan, for instance, or for not attacking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his longtime relationship with the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright. (See "McCannibals," from earlier this week.)

But nothing has seemed so resonant as $150,000 in clothes purchased for Palin and her family by the Republican National Committee.

Palin has taken to blaming the entire incident – as well as her introduction to the nation – on her “handlers,” presumably meaning Wallace, who was a key part of the team that handled Palin's successful announcement speech, her successful convention speech, and her interviews with Charlie Gibson, Sean Hannity and Katie Couric.

McCain allies say that Palin allies talked to Fox News commentator Fred Barnes to further throw Wallace under the bus. Barnes yesterday said, “the person who went and bought the clothes and, as I understand it put the clothes on her credit card, went to Saks and Neiman Marcus...the staffer who did that has been a coward” for not coming forward and accepting the blame for the $150,000 shopping spree. Barnes clarified that he was talking about Wallace.

But Wallace didn’t buy the clothes, put the clothes on her credit card, or go to Saks and Neiman Marcus, sources on the McCain campaign say.

And plenty of people on the McCain campaign are mystified as to how the $150,000 charges were racked up.

Moreover, McCain campaign sources say, Palin has developed quite a reputation on the campaign trail for shopping.

During this controversy, McCain insiders were appalled to read a blog account from Nevada noting that the day before Palin held an event in Reno, “Palin's assistant stopped in at the Ann Taylor at the Summit Sierra Mall and bought the skirt suit that she wore during to her speech Tuesday at the Reno-Sparks Convention Center. ‘She bought a short, three-quarter sleeve jacket, a skirt and a couple other items,’ store manager Suzette Ludden said.”

All the while, Palin herself has given the wardrobe story more media coverage by denying that she had anything to do with it.

"It is so nice to be back here in the Sunshine State and quite warm which I love and grabbed a jacket this morning to put on not realizing how warm it would be,” she said in Florida. “My own jacket, yes…"

“This whole thing with the wardrobe you know I have tried to just ignore it because it is so ridiculous,” she continued. “Those clothes they are not my property, just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC purchased. I am not taking them with me, I'm back to wearing my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska.”

At McCain HQ, senior aides rolled their eyes, unable to believe that Palin was continuing to give the story more airtime.

And some Republicans are starting to now say they should have seen this coming, since Palin has a reputation for making friends who can help her and then screwing them over.

The list is long:

* Former Wasilla Mayor John Stein says he mentored Palin during her 1994 run for City Council. Then she decided to challenge him and run for Mayor. “Things got very ugly,’ Naomi Tigner, a friend of the Steins, told Salon.com. “Sarah became very mean-spirited.” Palin allies suggested she would he “Wasilla's first Christian mayor,” even though Stein is Protestant. Palin allies also whispered that Stein and his wife – who hadn’t taken his name - were not legally wed. “We actually had to produce our marriage certificate,’ Stein said. His wife died in 2005 without ever reconciling with Palin. “I had a hand in creating Sarah, but in the end she blew me out of the water,” Stein told Salon. “Sarah's on a mission, she's an opportunist.”

* Former City Councilman Nick Carney also helped mentor Palin in her first city council run. They later had a falling out when Palin accused him of corruptly advocating that the city use his trash hauling business. “The episode might serve as a compelling, if small-bore, example of Palin's reformer instincts,” the New Republic reported. :Except that, according to those who were present, Carney wasn't quite the crooked trash magnate Palin makes him out to be. For one thing, Carney couldn't have proposed the ordinance because he'd recused himself from the matter. The council, in fact, had asked him to appear as a kind of expert witness on the relevant rules and regulations.” Carney endorsed Stein in the 1996 mayoral race against Palin, and news reports say she subsequently as mayor refused to call on him. Carney told Salon that Palin – without council authorization -- spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office. “I braced her about it,” he said. “I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.”

* State Senate President Lyda Green from Wasilla, is a fellow conservative and was an ally of Palin’s throughout the 1990s. “If you had looked at our résumés, as far as being pro-life, pro-N.R.A., pro-family, pro-parental control, saving taxpayer dollars, keeping government out of our lives, we would have been identical,” Green told the New Yorker. “She traces the chill in their relationship to her decision not to endorse Palin in her 2006 gubernatorial primary. (She stayed neutral.)…

“The animosity became public last January, when Palin turned up on an Anchorage shock-jock radio program, ‘The Bob and Mark Show.’ Bob Lester said that he knew Palin believed Green was ‘a bitch’ and ‘a cancer.’ Palin laughed at the comments. ‘Sarah can be heard in the background tittering, hee-heeing,’ Green said, ‘never saying, ‘That’s not appropriate, let’s not talk like that, let’s change the subject,’ or anything.’ Green was devastated. ‘I worked through it,’ she said. ‘The difficult thing about it was when my children read about it online. They were dumbfounded, because they had known Sarah. I had breast cancer in ’97 and had a radical mastectomy. Sarah certainly knew I had breast cancer, because she sent me flowers when I was ill.’”

* Former Gov. Frank Murkowski made Palin the chair of a state commission overseeing oil and gas drilling. Four years later she challenged him – and beat him – for governor.

* Prominent Alaska conservative talk radio host Dan Fagan was a longtime friend. But he found himself on the outs after he criticized her for raising taxes on oil companies. “He found himself branded a ‘hater,’” the New York Times reported. “It is part of a pattern, Mr. Fagan said, in which Ms. Palin characterizes critics as ‘bad people who are anti-Alaska.’”

**

Now, I don’t know what happened with all of these former allies. Certainly Murkowski was much-criticized. And certainly Palin views all these publications as left-leaning and hostile to her views.

But that said, all I can tell you is that some McCain allies are now quite suspect of Palin and worried that Sen. McCain is going to become just the latest Palin ally whom she uses – and then discards -- in her rapid ascendance to power.

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forrestlayne · #3 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by hambirg

I found this kind of interesting. Can anybody refute any of what he's saying? I'm too tired to Google my a*ss off right now. . .maybe tomorrow.

Joe Biden made headlines by talking about a “generated crisis” for a President Obama. But is the current financial meltdown another “generated crisis?” Considering the problems in the economy, including too much federal debt, too much spending and easy credit, which have been with us for years, why did this crisis suddenly occur only six weeks before the election?

Who’s Behind the Economic Collapse?

Dates are signifanct

"Barack Obama will focus on the economy and how his tax plans would help the middle class in a half-hour political infomercial Wednesday night.

The program, scheduled to run on television networks on the 79th anniversary of the stock-market crash of 1929, "will share the specifics of Obama's plans to turn the economy around and get the country back on track," campaign spokesman Bill Burton said Tuesday."

truble2301 · #4 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 07:44 AM

Wish I owned stock in Reynolds Metals right now.

usnamom · #5 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by truble2301

Wish I owned stock in Reynolds Metals right now.

My husband works for ALCOA and I have stock in aluminum so I am hoping that people will use that foil.

forrestlayne · #6 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by truble2301

Wish I owned stock in Reynolds Metals right now.

Not a conspiratory theory to notice the significance in dates. Maybe nothing ...maybe something
Destiny, weird, spooky whatever. A lot of theories, ideas, religions,history etc deal with dates and how things come together.

Dates are important:
November 4, 2005 "DNC Chairman Howard Dean today announced that the 2008 Democratic National Convention will be held Monday, August 25 through Thursday, August 28.

August 28, 2008 Obama acceptance speech - "45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I Have a Dream" speech and march on Washington."

hambirg · #7 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 08:03 AM

So you don't think Soros has anything to do with this? After all he was "the man who broke the Bank of England." He made over $1 billion on Black Wednesday.

You don't think ANY of this sounds familiar???

However, the reputation of the Conservatives for competent handling of the economy was shattered. The Conservatives had recently won the 1992 General Election, and the Gallup poll for September showed a 2.5% Conservative lead. By the October poll, following Black Wednesday, they had plunged from 43% voting intention to 29%, while Labour jumped into a lead which they held more-or-less unbroken (except for several brief periods such as during the 2000 Fuel Protests) until David Cameron became leader of the Conservative Party. It took 15 years for the Conservatives to regain the 42%+ popularity that is considered the minimum necessary for a Conservative general election victory.

Yep. .. you would think that Soros could have at least changed his strategy just a little. But I guess when you are looking at making billions of $$$ off the taxpayers of countries, that doesn't really matter.

dnj51 · #8 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 08:09 AM

First of all "President" Obama? Jumping ahead of ourselves aren't we?

2ndly it is unimaginable to think any party would subject the US to a financial melt-down to aid one candidate or the other.

hambirg · #9 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by dnj51

First of all "President" Obama? Jumping ahead of ourselves aren't we?

2ndly it is unimaginable to think any party would subject the US to a financial melt-down to aid one candidate or the other.

It's not the party. . . .it's Soros. He has made his wealth by collapsing banks and ruining economies. The Dem party is just something he uses, the same as he used the Labor Party in England. It's how he gets influence. He did the same in Thailand.

dnj51 · #10 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 08:25 AM

Ok, I googled Soros to get more info him. If he master-minded the whole thing...just to get a democrat in the white house...all I can say is wow! This guy's scary.

hambirg · #11 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dnj51

Ok, I googled Soros to get more info him. If he master-minded the whole thing...just to get a democrat in the white house...all I can say is wow! This guy's scary.

He doesn't do it to get a Dem in the White House. He does it to make billions of $$$. He happens to like the more socialist type, liberal parties because it is easier to milk more money out of the system that way. They are less likely to balk at these "we have to do it for the good of the people" schemes.

Seriously, do you think the bailout helped "the people", but that's how it was sold to us. Soros is in hedge funds. . . he's basically a gambler. He gambles against the economy and the value of the currency of, in this case, the US. That's how he makes his money.

Xhausted1 · #12 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 10:41 AM

Remember the hooey thread....
http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...n-means-2.html
(at least someone said they thought it was hooey) I still wanted more information.

I was going to come back and post then didn't because it seems no matter which candidate wins, future events will be happening beyond their control.

Here's the rest of what I would have posted for discussion.

Here is what was allegedly revealed to the Reps as being posted on the net and published in an Australian Newspaper:

On March 13th 2008, there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States, this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the House. (in which they possibly discussed the following bullet points.)

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008
BINGO - October 10, 2008,
WALL STREET FINISHES DOWN 128 POINTS, ENDING WORST WEEK IN 112 YEARS
WILD DAY FOR DOW - New York Post

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government Finances sometime in mid 2009
(I could read that as FEB/MAR of 09- Generated Crisis - right as people file for their income tax return)
Bail Out after Bail Out Billions of dollar pouring out to stabilize.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica
and if that's not enough follow the breadcrumbs...
The demand for unemployment benefits across the country has put a strain on state unemployment funds, with such funds in at least 10 states facing insolvency in 2009
Some state unemployment funds drying up - CNN.com

* The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse
Are scared people going to be angry? Go back and google Angry Katrina New Orleans or Martial Law Katrin and

* The advance round-ups of 'insurgent U.S. Citizens' likely to move against the government
64 short years ago Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These camps exsist and are functional at this time. In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment.

* The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses (especially Pelosi?) Ya think folks might get scared and angry? That's a reasonable assumption from my point of view.

* The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest
We all laughed at Cheney getting to safe facilities so quickly...

* The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union
Did Nafta pave the way? How much do you know about NAFTA?

And last but not least,
* The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

Why is the House of Representives talking about a so called "fantasy coin"? and Why did people know about it in 2006
Amero, Debut of the amero

and more inportantly... why are people talking in the Kremlin in 2008? What's it to them? And why are they claiming a delivery was made to the Chinese ?
US Sends $800 Billion In New Amero Currency To China >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

If any of this about the new money is true, our American money would be worthless and have to be exchanged at what ever rate the Govt issuing it said was "fair".

Conspiracy or not... I want more answers to know for myself whether it's hooey or not.
That's truly extraordinary if they predicted "that precisely" when the market would crash months ahead of time.

I want more info.
X

hambirg · #13 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xhausted1

Remember the hooey thread....
http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...n-means-2.html
(at least someone said they thought it was hooey) I still wanted more information.

I was going to come back and post then didn't because it seems no matter which candidate wins, future events will be happening beyond their control.

Here's the rest of what I would have posted for discussion.

Here is what was allegedly revealed to the Reps as being posted on the net and published in an Australian Newspaper:

On March 13th 2008, there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States, this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the House. (in which they possibly discussed the following bullet points.)

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008
BINGO - October 10, 2008,
WALL STREET FINISHES DOWN 128 POINTS, ENDING WORST WEEK IN 112 YEARS
WILD DAY FOR DOW - New York Post

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government Finances sometime in mid 2009
(I could read that as FEB/MAR of 09- Generated Crisis - right as people file for their income tax return)
Bail Out after Bail Out Billions of dollar pouring out to stabilize.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica
and if that's not enough follow the breadcrumbs...
The demand for unemployment benefits across the country has put a strain on state unemployment funds, with such funds in at least 10 states facing insolvency in 2009
Some state unemployment funds drying up - CNN.com

* The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse
Are scared people going to be angry? Go back and google Angry Katrina New Orleans or Martial Law Katrin and

* The advance round-ups of 'insurgent U.S. Citizens' likely to move against the government
64 short years ago Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These camps exsist and are functional at this time. In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment.

* The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses (especially Pelosi?) Ya think folks might get scared and angry? That's a reasonable assumption from my point of view.

* The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest
We all laughed at Cheney getting to safe facilities so quickly...

* The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union
Did Nafta pave the way? How much do you know about NAFTA?

And last but not least,
* The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

Why is the House of Representives talking about a so called "fantasy coin"? and Why did people know about it in 2006
Amero, Debut of the amero

and more inportantly... why are people talking in the Kremlin in 2008? What's it to them? And why are they claiming a delivery was made to the Chinese ?
US Sends $800 Billion In New Amero Currency To China >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

If any of this about the new money is true, our American money would be worthless and have to be exchanged at what ever rate the Govt issuing it said was "fair".

Conspiracy or not... I want more answers to know for myself whether it's hooey or not.
That's truly extraordinary if they predicted "that precisely" when the market would crash months ahead of time.

I want more info.
X

You can start by reading this:

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/publi...64-79_3526.pdf

And if people think it's all right-wing conspiracy "disinformation" they should really open their eyes and look at the bigger picture. It's not even about Obama anymore. . . he's merely a puppet. I will gladly come back and bump this thread when it all starts to become apparent.

Xhausted1 · #14 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hambirg

You can start by reading this:

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/publi...64-79_3526.pdf

It's not even about Obama anymore. . . he's merely a puppet. I will gladly come back and bump this thread when it all starts to become apparent.

Throw away was the term used.. hummmm. That's sad.
Ps.. <this said in a joking voice> by the time we all sit up and realize what a mess we've gotten ourselves into. It will be too late. There probably won't be "free speech" on the internet

to come back to and voice the "remember when we talked about this could happen. Ugh! {{shakes head}}

X

kvmj · #15 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 01:16 PM

LaRouche is nuts.

hambirg · #16 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kvmj

LaRouche is nuts.

So was Columbus.

kvmj · #17 (**permalink**) 10-29-2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hambirg

So was Columbus.

Columbus wasn't crazy. LaRouche practically froths at the mouth.

kolu · #18 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xhausted1

Remember the hooey thread....
http://www.mycoupons.com/boards/elec...n-means-2.html
(at least someone said they thought it was hooey) I still wanted more information.

I was going to come back and post then didn't because it seems no matter which candidate wins, future events will be happening beyond their control.

Here's the rest of what I would have posted for discussion.

Here is what was allegedly revealed to the Reps as being posted on the net and published in an Australian Newspaper:

On March 13th 2008, there was a secret closed door meeting of The United States House Of Representatives in Washington. In the history of The United States, this is only the fourth time a secret meeting was held by the House. (in which they possibly discussed the following bullet points.)

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Economy to occur sometime in late 2008
BINGO - October 10, 2008,
WALL STREET FINISHES DOWN 128 POINTS, ENDING WORST WEEK IN 112 YEARS
WILD DAY FOR DOW - New York Post

* The imminent collapse of the U.S. Government Finances sometime in mid 2009
(I could read that as FEB/MAR of 09- Generated Crisis - right as people file for their income tax return)
Bail Out after Bail Out Billions of dollar pouring out to stabilize.
History of U.S. Gov’t Bailouts - ProPublica
and if that's not enough follow the breadcrumbs...
The demand for unemployment benefits across the country has put a strain on state unemployment funds, with such funds in at least 10 states facing insolvency in 2009
Some state unemployment funds drying up - CNN.com

* The possibility of Civil War inside the United States as a result of the collapse
Are scared people going to be angry? Go back and google Angry Katrina New Orleans or Martial Law Katrin and

* The advance round-ups of 'insurgent U.S. Citizens' likely to move against the government
64 short years ago Japanese American internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

* The detention of those rounded up at The REX 84 Camps constructed throughout the United States Rex 84 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
These camps exsist and are functional at this time. In 2008, for the first time an active military unit has been given a dedicated assignment stateside for civil unrest containment.

* The possibility of public retaliation against members of Congress for the collapses (especially Pelosi?) Ya think folks might get scared and angry? That's a reasonable assumption from my point of view.

* The location of safe facilities for members of Congress and their families to reside during massive civil unrest
We all laughed at Cheney getting to safe facilities so quickly...

* The necessary and unavoidable merger of The U.S. with Canada and Mexico establishing The North American Union
Did Nafta pave the way? How much do you know about NAFTA?

And last but not least,
* The issuance of a new currency called the AMERO for all three nations as an economic solution.

Why is the House of Representives talking about a so called "fantasy coin"? and Why did people know about it in 2006
Amero, Debut of the amero

and more inportantly... why are people talking in the Kremlin in 2008? What's it to them? And why are they claiming a delivery was made to the Chinese ?
US Sends $800 Billion In New Amero Currency To China >> Four Winds 10 - fourwinds10.com

If any of this about the new money is true, our American money would be worthless and have to be exchanged at what ever rate the Govt issuing it said was "fair".

Conspiracy or not... I want more answers to know for myself whether it's hooey or not.
That's truly extraordinary if they predicted "that precisely" when the market would crash months ahead of time.

I want more info.
X

Whatever you do, don't forget, it will all be BUSH'S fault!

TraciLM · #19 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 03:58 AM

I've been hearing rumbings about this lately. I wouldn't trust Soros as far as I could throw him. He's a megolomaniac who has vowed to do whatever he can to help democrats. Add to that the fact that he's all about the money. Combine Biden's bizarre comments about a crisis - it makes a person wonder...

truble2301 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-30-2008, 05:25 AM

What's bizarre is the pathetic attempts of the right wing to keep throwing mud in the hopes that something will stick, even while their own candidate has some pretty ugly ethical issues in his own past , the candidate's wife was a thieving doper, the VP candidate screws over the people of her own state so her kids can travel, and the VP candidate's husband was a memo of an anti-American group.

Very bizarre.

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