Mccain is having some type of round table. It is really a "we gotta be scared of terror" speech. Not surprised?? Me either, I was wondering when they would do this! Just like last time Bush scared people into voting for him. I think America has come too far to fall for that. We(the majority) want peace not war. But Mccain only knows about war and wants to keep them going for 100 years. What a jerk!

Me thinks maybe you need to start wearing the little tinfoil hats.

Oh, no! McCain is trying scare everyone! Geesh!

He was just on Cnn doing exactly this. He just said we need to be afraid of Iran and the rest of the middle east if Obama gets elected. Out of his McNasty mouth.

Itotally agree that McCain gets elected he wil continue with this horrible war. However I am not worried because Obama and Biden will be our new leaders. Time for big change and for Bush to go and god forbid McCain did get elected we would face another 8 horrible years....CATHERINE

I don't see how McCain can continue the occupation of Iraq. They have asked us to leave. I do believe that he would go ahead and nuke Iran which would make the whole the whole area blow sky high.

WE need to bring our troops home and fast well over 600 million on u.s. money as been used for the war and we lave lost over 4500 innocent american citizens. And so many other have been affected eithe rmentally or physcially and of course all the many innocent lost lives of the Iraqi citizens....Catherine

Obama doesn't even have to "try". He just does.

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That is just plain silly. Why does Obama SCARE you?

Obama must not be scaring as many as McOldGuy. Since Obama is ahead.

I think you numbers are way off. If I am not mistaken we spend nearly a billion PER MONTH on this war. But I do agree with you about our troops.

Actually her numbers are pretty close.

Cost of War | National Priorities Project

I agree we need to stop the war as safely and quickly as possible. And as far as the soldiers who have a physical or mental disability, Obama is the one who wants to do everything we can to take care of them the way they deserve.

ETA: Oops. She is off. I thought she said billions not millions. But the rest is correct.

My, you people have been drinking that liberal kool-aid!

They must make in two flavors....conservative and liberal flavored koolaide

Haha!! I so agree with this. I love how its always the liberals drinking koolaid. I've seen plenty of republican koolaid drinkers!!!

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Probably falls under points 1, 3, and 4, from the 14 Points of Fascism.

mom2twins referring to anyone drinking kool-aid is rude and racist, you know for a known fact that Black African American people have always been made of drinking kool-aid and eating watermelon , omg how low seriously how low will you go... Catherine

Edited to say i was wrong with money amount of how much we have spend so far more like 600 billion totally ttotally unnesscary on all levels. Again we had no business being there and cannot wait for our troops to come home to their families. Perhaps no I am stating for a fact if we did not invade Iraq look how much money we would have had for our country. If not for all that useless money spent perhaps under the Bush ADMINISTRATION WE WOULD NOT BE IN THE FINANCIAL MESS WE ARE... Obama victory is soon and we so desparately need your help and I know you will help us so much out of this mess left by Bush....Catherine

Actually, drinking Kool-Aid as an insult generally derives from Jim Jones and the mass suicide of Jonestown. It isn't racist. Let's not start making things more than they are. It isn't helpful.

DANNYBOY I am not trying to make any further trouble, However it is a known fact about the kool-aid, why did Momstwins2 say it then, she is the one who is againist Obama. As far as the drinking of kool-iad associated with Jones with the mass killings of all those fellow followers and their children I never heard of that, I just always thought they choose to put the killing drug into the Kool-aid to make it some what easier for the people to drink. Thanks for letting me know, you learn something new each day... Catherine

"Drinking kool-aid" is a commonly used phrase.

The term is derived from the 1978 cult suicide in Jonestown, Guyana. Jim Jones, the leader of the Peoples Temple, persuaded his followers to move to Jonestown. Late in the year he ordered his followers to commit suicide by drinking grape-flavored Flavor Aid laced with potassium cyanide.

Having "drunk the Kool-Aid" also refers to being a strong or fervent believer in a particular philosophy or mission — wholeheartedly or blindly believing in its virtues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kool-Aid

Dang! Is there anything left anymore without being accused of racism?

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UMM..wasn't it JOE who brought up the terrorism issue, like in GUARANTEED attack if barry was elected?

OH..and the hint of draft when that happened?

Yeah yeah..and socialism means racist too...it's time to put the crack pipe down..

WOw talking about Kool-aid and you Repubicans still will not admit to keep harping on the racism issue, its ok because a Republican like momstwins made the statement so its makes it ok. GIve me a brake we all know what it means, why would Momstwins2 bring it up here on the election board, when she hates Obama and why would she mention it , if she was talking about the mass killings by JOnes, who totally has nothing to do with this election.. Makes no sense and was not irrelavant and at. She mean't what she said and you cannot tell me anything else... Truly sad..... Catherine

It's break...not brake, that's what you do when you are peddling a bicycle & want to stop...now put the pipe down before you hurt yourself...you are obviously a few steps behind on this whole conversation & I don't think there are enough hours in the day to bring you up to speed.

Uh. . .the bailout didn't have anything to do with the war. It had to do with the derivitives market. You can blame the war for a lot of things, but the bailout no.

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Okay so then explain what momstwins2 was talking about when she quote liberal drinking kool-aid what did she mean?????????? Catherine

It's been explained like 3 times above you!

The ignorance is utterly amazing.

I just told you what it meant. . .

Having "drunk the Kool-Aid" also refers to being a strong or fervent believer in a particular philosophy or mission — wholeheartedly or blindly believing in its virtues.

If you don't believe us, then ask one of the Obama supporters.

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Scary. . .

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Danny told her what it meant too!

The republicans drink HATER-AID.

I would not be surprised if she doesn't realize that Danny is an Obama supporter.

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HA! I hear ya! dododododo

But, she does have the talking points down, the important ones that were drilled in for the last 8 years..

Bush is bad, Bush is evil, everything is Bush's fault.

maybe that's the secret, it takes 8 yrs to penetrate.

Is that anything like BAITER-AID?

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To Kolu soooooooo sorry I made the spelling mistake about break, sue me omg,,,,,, sheesh someone seems to be sooooooooo upset. Say what you want you Republicans are all so blind to the whole Bush Adminstration on a whole.. Also again I will repeat it now for the 5th time I believe, you can honestly tell me that Black African Americans have never been associated with eating watermelon and drinking koo-aid it is what is it a racism remark... Catherine... Finally Kolu who made your the expect on keeping up with the conversation, I can say all I want but I proved I hit a nerve because it has caused you to keep posting back to me . Finally I am also soooooo sick of hearing how Barack Obama has been associated with Acorn.... Read the lastest facts on the issue,, He represent Acorn in a lawsuit againist the state of Illinois to force state compliance with a federal voting access. Acorn never ever hired Obama as a trainer, a organizer nor a employee. But there is no way you will stop letting this information down and twisting again as a issue with racism will you???????????? Is this enough Kolu to keep up, because I am a big girl ....... Catherine

Listen, just so it is clear.

I do think that here is some kool aid being drunk. I just don't think that pointing it out is racist.

I think that those on the other side of me are drinking it. You think that I'm drinking it.

So be it. In this election, we all think that the other side is delusional. The only thing that I was trying to say is that it wasn't a racist comment. It was only a shorthand way of saying "blind believer."

Hambirg do you think I am stupid, do you think I only came here tonite to read and post. I know for fact all and whom are on this board. And dear if you do not mind the phase Yes I know Dannyboy is a Obama supporter. I have read all the posts, in fact I simply love the one about where he asks where or what everyone will be doing on election nite. Because he will be rooting and celebrating for Obama, he even admitted he once had a Repubilican at a previous party, however it was not the best choice, Wow of wow you ladies seem to think you know it all....Edited to say I answered Dannyboy and while I do not agree with what he said about the term of kool-aid being related to African Americans, I also told him thanks for the information about The Mass Killings carried out by Jim Jones which I know they all his followers drank the cyanide with kool-aid, what makes you think I did not know Danny boy was a Democrat????????????

I just can't even follow her logic..seriously Lucy, are you ok?

OK..now I know this might be difficult for you..I'll spell it out in steps..

YouTube - Best. Interview. Evah! Barbara West vs. Joe Biden

clik on the link

listen to the link

hear Joe Biden in his own words ADMIT Obama was a community organizer for ACORN.

Can you handle all that?

I am almost certain Bush drank some, did he pass it around to everybody in the GOP, or just the top 1%?

Wassa matter grumpy, you don't like that Joe admitted the truth about Obama?

KOlu can you handle this on November 4th , 2008 Obama will be our new President, What have I said that makes you say I cannot keep up with the conversations. Again because I have different views I am Crazy. What in my posts makes you come to the conclusion that I do not know what I am talking about> As Ricky would ask Lucy plain yourself please?????? Catherine

Did you manage to listen to the video?

Yes Kolu I just watched it and listened to the first 2 question, tell me Kolu where does Senator Joe Biden admit that Barack Obama was associated with Acorn on a personal level .He never ever said that, also at the end of the second question he tells the lady concerning Obama's relationship with Acorn, "Let's Get Real. I am still listening and JOe BIden just asked is that a real question. So tell me Kolu where does he admit Obama was assocaited with Acorn other then to represent on a successful lawsuit???????Catherine

Again to all to keep trying to make people think that Obama has personal associations with Acorn is just plain and simple blatent bigoty and all you can do is just to keep playing the race card, talking about Acorn is making me yawn,,,,, its sooooooooooo old and played out over and over again..... Catherine

Does not bother me. Mccain was in with Acorn spoke at rallies for them. Truble this is for you



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He worked for Project Vote as a community organizer. Project vote is one of the many faces of ACORN. They share the same office address in New Orleans. It's the same organization.

Here's the link to ACORN's own site. If you scroll down about 2/3rds the way you will see Project Vote listed.

ACORN: Allied Organizations

And yes. . .Obama worked for Project Vote:

Obama directed Illinois' Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and seven hundred volunteers; it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African-Americans in the state, and led to Crain's Chicago Business naming Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.
Barack Obama - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I hate to sound rude, but you don't know much about the man use so fervently support.

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Did you know the woman is married to somebody in the high up in the GOP?

Uh. . .yeah. they were in the audience of a Catholic Community Services luncheon that he spoke at. Hardly the same thing.

ETA: Nice red herring there at the end.

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ad hominem . . . .

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Hambirg hate to disagree, But I know all I have to know about the man Barack Obama who will be our new president . Who gives you the right to judge how much I know about the man I want to be our New President. Sorry for being not so well informed about my candidate for being the president. What makes you so more informed about George BUsh, then me of Barack Obama????? Catherine. YOu already thought I did not know that Dannyboy was for Obama and Kolu posted the youtube interview with Joe BIden where she claims he admitted that Barack OBama has personally dealings with Acorn not true again. I just played the whole thing over again. Was there something she asked him, about Acorn to BIden that I missed, will you go listen again... Sorry but the bottom line is Acorn is so worn out simpply put it to sleep already........ CAtherine

Ok. . .I'm not sure how many times I've already said this BUT I NEVER VOTED FOR BUSH!!!

The ACORN question is the very first one. Biden lied. And now that it has been proven to you that he lied, you decide that it doesn't matter and that we should put it to sleep. Hmmmmm. . .

And you know the problem isn't even so much that Obama worked for Project Vote. It's that his campaign paid ACORN $800,000. It's right there in their FEC reports for anybody to see. . .public record.

Sooo. . .yeah. . .people don't like being lied to. It makes everything else you say suspect. How can we believe anything you say, when you proved yourself a liar? What bothers me even more is that they keep repeating these lies as if we are too stupid as not to be able to take 5 minutes with Google and figure this out. It's an offense to the intellegance of the American people. But then again. . .it seems to be working for them.

I think this applies:

An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth
become error because nobody will see it.--Gandhi

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I love the phrase "ad hominem."

I love even more the phrase "de minimis," which applies to most of the Republican attacks of late.

Wonderful term, "de minimis." It signifies things that are too small to care about.

Sad to say, I first heard the term when used about a penis. I wish that I remembered the joke, but I remember the punch line, which was the law doesn't care about things that are too small to matter.

Anyway, that is a whole different story.

Focusing on the matter before us, as little and wilted as it is, Republican attacks seem very de minimis to me. With a bit of ad hominem mixed in. In other words, there is a little bit of nothing, but a lot of focus on me, me, me and hate for him, him, him, and nothing much in between.

Just like Joe the plumber..who cares! It's not about what she said, it's about what JOE BIDEN said! AND about Joes LIE on the contribution!

There is equal "de minimis" on the Dem side. . .at least here on this board, ie Palin's wardrobe.

But I will grant you that.

At the end of the day it comes down to truths for me. And you seem like a resonable person, so surely you can understand the importance of that. I don't know about the hate hate hate thing. I certainly do not hate Obama. . .I think he is a likable guy. In fact, when he announced he was running, I really wanted to like him. That being said, I don't like my intelligence being insulted with the repeated lies. I cannot vote for him because I cannot put faith in the fact that he is telling the truth on things that matter. So, I will have to vote for the lesser of the evils in my eyes. You are free to determine what is important to you and how you base your vote. I like to be sure people are basing it on facts and truths at least and not blind faith.

ETA: Try to remember that joke.

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