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Old 10-31-2008, 03:51 PM
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Is She Really This Stupid?

Is she stupid? Ignorant? Uneducated (goodness knows, she went to enough colleges!). Does she simply lack any understanding of the Constitution? What is wrong with Gov. Palin?

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ABC News' Steven Portnoy reports: In a conservative radio interview that aired in Washington, D.C. Friday morning, Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin said she fears her First Amendment rights may be threatened by "attacks" from reporters who suggest she is engaging in a negative campaign against Barack Obama.

Palin told WMAL-AM that her criticism of Obama's associations, like those with 1960s radical Bill Ayers and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should not be considered negative attacks. Rather, for reporters or columnists to suggest that it is going negative may constitute an attack that threatens a candidate's free speech rights under the Constitution, Palin said.

"If [the media] convince enough voters that that is negative campaigning, for me to call Barack Obama out on his associations," Palin told host Chris Plante, "then I don't know what the future of our country would be in terms of First Amendment rights and our ability to ask questions without fear of attacks by the mainstream media."

However she feels about the way her story has been told in the press, Palin told WMAL she is not discouraged.

"It's sort of perplexing to me, because I'm a practical person and plainspoken also, but just cutting to the chase and calling things like I see them, just like most Americans. But this has not left a bitter taste in my mouth, the bitter shots taken by the mainstream media and by some of the elitism there in Washington," Palin said.

"What this has left me with is a very energized and positive feeling about America, because there are enough Americans who are desiring the positive change that John McCain's gonna usher in."

Plante then suggested that in her next sit-down interview, Palin should tap the reporter on the knee and ask, "So who you votin' for?"

Palin laughed and said, "Yeah, maybe that just would say it all."

"I'm gonna try that," she said.
Seriously, Sarah? Your argument is that the press exercising its freedom of speech and the press somehow infringes on YOUR freedom of speech?

I just can't help thinking that it's about time for Ashton Kutcher to jump out from behind the curtain and yell "PRANKED!" Surely, McCain doesn't really think this bimbo is ready to run the country?

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Old 10-31-2008, 06:47 PM
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Apparantly, more than 59 per cent do not feel like she is ready for the Presidency either so if McCain is thinking this way he is not alone.

No matter if you "love" her or not, she feels like she is reaching a certain segment of the population. And part of that population is here at MC. I am not included in that population. While I think it would be interesting to have her over for coffee, I would not want her to be in charge. Too many questionable things about her background.

She will be around she thinks and the Republicans are talking about having her on the ticket in 12. That would be great in my book. Another four years for Obama to run the country. She won't be able to win. Not only is she the stereotypical woman....outspoken, diva, rogue, won't stay in her place. All the things she was supposedly picked for are all the things that have sunk the McCain campaign. She can wink all she wants, but the joke is on her.
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Sad to admit for Senator JOhn McCain he totally picked the wrong person to run with him as being the new vice president, Sarah Palin knows nothing about being the vice president, Like i said before she needs to bring herself back to her state of Alaska, where she will be going very soon come 11/4... Catherine
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Old 10-31-2008, 11:22 PM
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The fact that she could possibly wind up the leader of the free world scares me more than anything else I can think of.
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Sarah Palin has more experience than B.O. Please tell me what qualifies him to be president? I'm just floored that there are Americans that would vote for a presidential candidate that couldn't pass the security clearance to be his own body guard.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:38 PM
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More experience with what? Cheating taxpayers? Yep, she's got that.
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I can't argue w/ B.O. supporters. Your blind devotion makes me scared B.O. may be the anti-christ. If he wins you will get what you deserve.
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:10 PM
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Yes, I think we will get what we deserve. Thank God. After eight years of Bush, it's about time.
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Old 11-02-2008, 08:12 PM
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I can't argue w/ B.O. supporters. Your blind devotion makes me scared B.O. may be the anti-christ. If he wins you will get what you deserve.


Hmmm....when he wins, he will be your president as well.

The blind devotion comment is weird. There is no more blind devotion to Obama as there is for the McCain supporters and besides this thread was about Palin. And that devotion to her is what is scary.
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If he wins you will get what you deserve.
That's really funny. We didn't vote for Mr. Bush and yet we still got what the people who voted for HIM deserved.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:11 PM
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I can't argue w/ B.O. supporters. Your blind devotion makes me scared B.O. may be the anti-christ. If he wins you will get what you deserve.
blind devotion the Bmust stand for -barbie and the O-Out of touch. It is not blind devotion for Obama, it is CHANGE he will bring.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:31 PM
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Sorry. . .I have to agree with the blind devotion comment. Of course that doesn't apply to everyone who just wants a change in administration, but Oprah calling him "the One", Farrakhan calling him "the Messiah", children singing that he is "the One" and he is going to "save us". . .I think would be offensive to anyone who has any affiliation with a monotheistic religion. And to say that the same types of things have been going on with McCain or Palin are simply unfounded. Nobody has called either "the Messiah", "the One" or indoctrinated children with the idea that either is some kind of "savior."
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Well, this is a pretty aggressive thread, but here's my .02 anyway. I love Sarah Palin. I trust her a heck of a lot more than Obama. She knows that we work for our money.. and the people who don't work don't deserve to get more of it. This "spread the wealth" thing is a load of bull. A lot of the trouble with the financial state of America has to do with the Dem congress, and Bill Clinton's ignorance. Bush isn't the only one to blame there. Sarah Palin doesn't hang with terrorists or an anti-american, anti- white, aggressive preacher who certainly had influence on Barack Obama.. even though he swears they didn't. I don't know about you, but I've been going to my church for a year and I've absorbed a lot of what my preacher says... Barack Obama went to his church under Reverand White for 20 years and you can't tell me that he didn't take anything away from that. Plus, if he wasn't in agreement with White.. he'd have left and found one more in tune with his standards.

Sarah Palin is FAR from stupid, and IMO she's a strong, positive, and moral role model for my daughter. So I'd love to have her as VP, and in the event something happened to McCain.. I'd be happy to have her as president.
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Old 11-02-2008, 09:55 PM
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The "anti-Christ?"

I'd think you were joking if you didn't say it so seriously.

He may be the "anti-Christ"?

I try to understand other people's positions. I don't agree with them, but I try to understand them.

Labeling Obama as the possible "anti-Christ" is too bizarre for me to even try to creep into your mind.

Just let it be said that, if you regard yourself as a warrior for Christianity, you do your position no favors by slinging around the "anti-Christ" label. In fact, you do it a lot of damage. Who will ever take your cries seriously when you have flung them so wantonly?

I've read posts that made me examine my position as a supporter of Obama. I remain a supporter. The posts made me a more educated voter, and for that, I welcomed the posts against him.

But labeling him a possible "anti-Christ" is almost sacrilegious to me. It isn't something just thrown out there to get a political advantage. It isn't something that is lightly said.

For myself, I found the allegation that Obama was possibly the "anti-Christ" to be offensive. You can go your merry way, labeling things that you disagree with as being"anti-Christ." But for myself, I've lived eight years under an administration that I thought was out of touch and warmongering.

As much as I dislike GWB, though, I'd never degrade the idea of Christ or Christianity by labeling GWB as the anti-Christ. Nor would I pin the lable of Anti-Christ on someone simply because the person didn't believe in my positions.

You and I simply live in different worlds. I don't think that someone is an Anti-Christ because he is for different positions than mine. If you do, God bless you. You may not get into heaven on complex reasoning. Let's hope there is a free pass for certitude. Let's hope that there isn't a test for thinking like a Christian, which I have always though meant loving your brother like yourself. Apparently, you see the test diffferently. One of us is right; and one of us is wrong.

All I can say, with a degree of certainty, is labeling Obama as a possible Anti-Christ is just not in line, in any way, with my view of Christianity. And indeed, it would be condemned in my faith as a false worship of idols. Because you are embracing things as being god-like, here the Republican party, and labeling the other party as being the anti-Christ.

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The blind devotion comment was b/c it is unbelievable to me that anyone would vote for someone who could not pass a government security clearance as a government employee. Does that not bother you? His despicable choices of friends and spiritual advisors disqualifies him. And besides, I want to hang on to my husbands wealth. Not give it to high school drop-outs who are already mooching off the government.

As for Gov. Palin, she has class. You are too blinded by the anti-christ to see that.
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The anti-christ label came b/c a group friends were talking and we could only explain the blind following of B.O. from the Bible's explanation of the anti-christ. I am not a religious freak. While I do believe in Christ, I believe that God loves everyone even crap people who make bad choices. I do not believe in hell. Everyone goes to heaven.
I will not support an Obama presidency, but I will not bash him when I travel out-side this country. That would be un-patriotic.
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:15 PM
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Well, this is a pretty aggressive thread, but here's my .02 anyway. I love Sarah Palin. I trust her a heck of a lot more than Obama. She knows that we work for our money.. and the people who don't work don't deserve to get more of it. This "spread the wealth" thing is a load of bull. A lot of the trouble with the financial state of America has to do with the Dem congress, and Bill Clinton's ignorance. Bush isn't the only one to blame there. Sarah Palin doesn't hang with terrorists or an anti-american, anti- white, aggressive preacher who certainly had influence on Barack Obama.. even though he swears they didn't. I don't know about you, but I've been going to my church for a year and I've absorbed a lot of what my preacher says... Barack Obama went to his church under Reverand White for 20 years and you can't tell me that he didn't take anything away from that. Plus, if he wasn't in agreement with White.. he'd have left and found one more in tune with his standards.

Sarah Palin is FAR from stupid, and IMO she's a strong, positive, and moral role model for my daughter. So I'd love to have her as VP, and in the event something happened to McCain.. I'd be happy to have her as president.
Until we as Alaskans receive our Ultimate Goal, the AIP will continue to strive to make Alaska a better place to live with less government interference in our everyday lives. [2]
The AIP's current primary goal is "merely" a vote on secession from the United States of America [3] :


The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence... [2]
AIP founder Joe Vogler:


"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions." [3]

"Why the hell do I owe them [the United States government] anything? And then you get mad. And you say to hell with them. And you renounce allegiance. And you pledge your efforts, your effects, your honor, your life, to Alaska...

"The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won't be buried under their damn flag; I'll be buried in Dawson [Canada]. And when Alaska is an independent nation they can bring my bones home, back to my country." [4]

"Our goal is ultimate independence by peaceful means under a minimal government fully responsive to the people. I hope we don't have to take human life, but if they go on tramping on our property rights, look out, we're ready to die." [5]
Sponsored by the government of Iran, Vogler was to scheduled to appear before the United Nations in 1993 to denounce United States "tyranny" and demand Alaska's independence from America. Vogler however was murdered that year in what the murderer said was a "plastic-explosives sale gone bad"; AIP leaders believe Vogler was assassinated before he could speak to the U.N. The AIP has a memorial page for Vogler on their website, "honoring his life and his many accomplishments." [5-7]

The AIP's chairwoman, Lynette Clark, in September 2008:


"In my heart and mind, I'm an Alaskan. I don't identify myself as an American...

"I've admired Sarah [Palin] from the first time I met her at the 2006 [AIP] convention. She impressed me so much. She's Alaskan to the bone; she's a damn good gal.

"As I was listening to her, I thought she sounds like what we've been saying for years. I thought to myself, 'My God, she sounds just like Joe Vogler.'" [8]
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ps....I'm not labeling the Democrat party, just B.O. It's okay to call him the messiah or the chosen one....what's the problem calling him the anti-christ? It's tongue in cheek anyway. got that H.S. education?
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Old 11-02-2008, 10:23 PM
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Well, this is a pretty aggressive thread, but here's my .02 anyway. I love Sarah Palin. I trust her a heck of a lot more than Obama. She knows that we work for our money.. and the people who don't work don't deserve to get more of it. This "spread the wealth" thing is a load of bull. A lot of the trouble with the financial state of America has to do with the Dem congress, and Bill Clinton's ignorance. Bush isn't the only one to blame there. Sarah Palin doesn't hang with terrorists or an anti-american, anti- white, aggressive preacher who certainly had influence on Barack Obama.. even though he swears they didn't. I don't know about you, but I've been going to my church for a year and I've absorbed a lot of what my preacher says... Barack Obama went to his church under Reverand White for 20 years and you can't tell me that he didn't take anything away from that. Plus, if he wasn't in agreement with White.. he'd have left and found one more in tune with his standards.

Sarah Palin is FAR from stupid, and IMO she's a strong, positive, and moral role model for my daughter. So I'd love to have her as VP, and in the event something happened to McCain.. I'd be happy to have her as president.
The spread the weath around is crap. Go look at his tax plan.Bill Clinton Look at this graph
Increases in the National Debt Chart

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You are one in a handful that would be happy to have her as president.60% of American people do not see her as qualified! GOP members are supporting Obama because they know Palin is not ready to be VP.

Wright do you thik he preached that eveyday?
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The spread the weath around is crap. Go look at his tax plan.Bill Clinton Look at this graph
Increases in the National Debt Chart

YouTube - Palin Witchcraft Witchcraft.
You are one in a handful that would be happy to have her as president.60% of American people do not see her as qualified! GOP members are supporting Obama because they know Palin is not ready to be VP.

Wright do you thik he preached that eveyday?
The thing is if the "spread the wealth around" is crap, why does he use that phrase? It is not an American ideal.

It's fine if you don't think Palin is qualified. I support your right to make your own decision on that.

As far as the Alaskan Independence Party. . .maybe you were asleep during history class in high school, but let's not forget that the United States of America is a federation of states. It was set up that way by our founding fathers. In order for a state to be admitted to the union:

In practice, nearly all states admitted to the union after the original thirteen have been formed from U.S. territories (that is, land under the sovereignty of the United States federal government but not part of any state) that were organized (given a measure of self-rule by Congress). Generally speaking, the organized government of a territory would make known the sentiment of its population in favor of statehood; Congress would then direct that government to organize a constitutional convention to write a state constitution. Upon acceptance of that Constitution, Congress would then admit that territory as a state. The broad outlines in this process were established by the Northwest Ordinance, which actually predated the ratification of the Constitution.

What our founding fathers wanted to insure was people's right to self government. It's my understanding that the Alaskan Independence Party wants to exercise that right:


The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.


I see no problem with that. Please do not forget that we support the rights of others around the world to exercise that right. We support the self rule of states like Georgia, Ukraine and Lithuainia. The Soviet Union was also a federal union of states. I see no reason why we would deny our own citizens the same rights we support around the world.

Sooooooo. . . .what you may see as un-American, I see as precisely American. . . .the rights of citizens to determine their own form of self government. If a state of our union wants to decide by it's citizenry tomorrow that they want to secede from the union in their own self interests. . .I support their right to exercise their free will in doing so.
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But precisely by the fact that the ELECT TO SECEDE from the U.S. they are no longer Americans....how more un-American can you be than NOT AMERICAN?

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The thing is if the "spread the wealth around" is crap, why does he use that phrase? It is not an American ideal.

It's fine if you don't think Palin is qualified. I support your right to make your own decision on that.

As far as the Alaskan Independence Party. . .maybe you were asleep during history class in high school, but let's not forget that the United States of America is a federation of states. It was set up that way by our founding fathers. In order for a state to be admitted to the union:

In practice, nearly all states admitted to the union after the original thirteen have been formed from U.S. territories (that is, land under the sovereignty of the United States federal government but not part of any state) that were organized (given a measure of self-rule by Congress). Generally speaking, the organized government of a territory would make known the sentiment of its population in favor of statehood; Congress would then direct that government to organize a constitutional convention to write a state constitution. Upon acceptance of that Constitution, Congress would then admit that territory as a state. The broad outlines in this process were established by the Northwest Ordinance, which actually predated the ratification of the Constitution.

What our founding fathers wanted to insure was people's right to self government. It's my understanding that the Alaskan Independence Party wants to exercise that right:


The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four alternatives:
1) Remain a Territory.
2) Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3) Accept Commonwealth status.
4) Become a State.


I see no problem with that. Please do not forget that we support the rights of others around the world to exercise that right. We support the self rule of states like Georgia, Ukraine and Lithuainia. The Soviet Union was also a federal union of states. I see no reason why we would deny our own citizens the same rights we support around the world.

Sooooooo. . . .what you may see as un-American, I see as precisely American. . . .the rights of citizens to determine their own form of self government. If a state of our union wants to decide by it's citizenry tomorrow that they want to secede from the union in their own self interests. . .I support their right to exercise their free will in doing so.
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The spread the weath around is crap. Go look at his tax plan.Bill Clinton Look at this graph
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You are one in a handful that would be happy to have her as president.60% of American people do not see her as qualified! GOP members are supporting Obama because they know Palin is not ready to be VP.

Wright do you thik he preached that eveyday?
Heck Yeah.. I think that Wright preached that everyday and twice on Sundays. It's the type of church he ran.

The Spread the Wealth thing isn't a load of crap.. it's going to happen. Barack has all these plans, and no way to fund them. Where do you think that he's going to get the money for socialized health insurance? I can guarantee you it won't be out of his own pocket. It'll be out of ours and before you know it.. 250,000 won't be the minimum earning either. It'll be 100,000. And that puts a lot of Americans at risk for higher taxes..etc. And I'll be damned if I'm going to support a candidate for pres or vice pres who's going to take my hard earned money and give it to people who can't be bothered to go and get a job. No way! I see it day in and day out.. What happens when people realize that they're now going to get MORE money for sitting around on their butts? Do you think that it will be an incentive to go out and get jobs??? I don't think so.

And as far as GOP members supporting Obama.. I've been working at the Republican Headquarters now for several months and I've spoken with just as many Dems who say that even though they've never cast a republican vote in their lives.. they will be voting for McCain.
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That's interesting, because I haven't met one single Democrat that's voting for McCain. If they were unsure before, his pick of Palin sealed the deal, giving their vote to Obama.

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Sarah Palin took your money and used it to not build the bridge to nowhere, even while Alaskans of all ages got fat checks for doing absolutely nothing. Isn't that exactly what you're saying you won't vote for?
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Actually, the only people who can't be bothered to get a job are either bumming off of friends and relatives or living on the street.

Amazing that after welfare reform. conservatives still cling to the notion that it's possible for an individual to take their hard earned money and give it to someone who won't work. There's very little abuse.
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kvmj...are you seriously saying there is little abuse of the welfare system??? please.
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Actually, the only people who can't be bothered to get a job are either bumming off of friends and relatives or living on the street.

Amazing that after welfare reform. conservatives still cling to the notion that it's possible for an individual to take their hard earned money and give it to someone who won't work. There's very little abuse.
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Actually, the only people who can't be bothered to get a job are either bumming off of friends and relatives or living on the street.

Amazing that after welfare reform. conservatives still cling to the notion that it's possible for an individual to take their hard earned money and give it to someone who won't work. There's very little abuse.
ummm....yeah ok...
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