TPMMuckraker | Talking Points Memo | The Anatomy of a Smear

Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one a federal law enforcement official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.

In other words, it looks like someone in the Bush administration leaked the information, with the goal of throwing a last-minute wrench into Obama's campaign. And someone else confirmed it, with similar motives.

I have been saying for months that you will find the news coming from foreign sources first.
The news media here will not do the investigations.

As long as the foreign media tells the truth I see nothing wrong with them reporting the news.

Here is the only important part of OP's post (and attached article) - "Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources". I don't care if John McCain himself went out and investigated and found this info.

Seems like now that the Obama camp has to contend with bad press, they have to, once again, try to shift the blame/spotlight - Why not just take ownership of the issue.

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Mary

No, the important part of the story is that a federal official LEAKED confidential information.

WHO and WHY? (as if we don't already know?)

Why should the Obama campaign take ownership of an issue that has nothing to do with it? Obama's not here illegally, he didn't know her half-aunt (half-sister of the father he barely knew!) was illegaly here, and he didn't help her stay here illegally.

More Republican mud and slander.

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Who cares how the information got out - since it's true, it really doesn't matter does it?

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Mary

Yes, it certainly does matter, since it's more than obvious that it was done for political gain. Are you big on the government exposing your secrets for its political gain? Are you big on the government leaking information, period? Were you happy when the government chose to expose a spy and risk lives?

And it doesn't matter if it's true, because it's completely irrelevant to the election. Just like Bristol's pregnancy. Oops, sorry, forgot we're not supposed to discuss PALIN'S family.

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Oh come on, you mean to tell me the negative publicity about Palin and her family came from the GOP? Nope they came from the Democrats - It is interesting that y'all are up in arms about how the story got out and not the story its self.

Sorta looks like some Democrats can dish it out but they can't take it.

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Mary

You mean Bristol's unwed pregnancy? That came from Mommy herself.

What else do you mean about Palin? Her husband belonging to a secessionist group? I don't know who put that out, but it certainly seems relevant that the GOP VP candidate is sleeping with a anti-American . . .

What else? Her clothes? The RNC put that out in its own records?

What else? Her ignorance? Palin put that out in her interviews with Couric and Gibson.

What else? McCain's ditching his disabled first wife for a newer, younger, blonder and richer model? He put that out in his own books.

What am I missing? What did the DEMOCRATS put out about the Republicans that they didn't put out themselves first?

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To answer some of your questions:
Bristrol's pregnancy came out because (Daily Kos) tried the smear that the baby was actually Bristol's and that Palin was covering up. So then out came the FACT that Bristol was pregnant now and could not have been the mother of the little boy

Yes, the RNC disclosed the amount of clothes purchased for Palin under the Federal guidelines.

Yes, McCain put in his books about his first wife. People want to look the other way when his first wife said she also wanted out of the marriage. That both of them had changed. Also, McCain has taken care of his wife and children from his first marriage.

As far, as Obama the questions ..with little answers.
Birth certificate? Yes, the Hawaii Gov has sealed the information... but what is on the birth record.
Medical record? Very little in the 1 page of that was released.
Foreign (illegal) donations to the Obama campaign
Obama's early ties to ACORN

As Obama says, it's the silly season. Give me a break. Someone claims the Dems did the dirty deeds, I prove they didn't, and now you're back on the stupid birth certificate issue.

Stupid,

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If so stupid WHY have the birth certificate SEALED? Sealed like a lot of other records.

IT'S NOT SEALED!!! It's readily available for those who don't subscribe to every "OBAMA IS EVIL" theory out there.

That's why the discussion is stupid.

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the goveerner had it sealed.

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor

This leak has Hillary as the source written all over it.

I know the first person on my list to my swearing-in ceremony for the senate would be my aunt I barely knew.

Remember the leak of Bush's old DUI a couple days before the election? I don't remember the dems outcry over that lol!

It is amazing that the MSM stresses Obama’s defense (the leak is Bush’s fault) rather than focusing on what Obama knew and when he knew it !

Citing Jerome Corsi? What, Karl Rove wasn't available?

Really lame. Shows how low the Republicans will sink.

Read It and Weep.

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you said the birht certificate ws NOT SEALED. i sighted a link showing that the guverner DID SEAL it, and you reply with this. admit you were WRONG. don't care if the paper is real or fake, i was showing you that YOU WERE WRONG.

YOu sent me a link from Jerome Corsi, which is laughable.

If the birth certificate is sealed, how did Fact Check get to examine it?

Same law we have in Virginia, so I guess Tim Kaine sealed my kids' birth certificates too.

Link

It's ok, I understand you McCain people are desperate and will believe anything.

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There is a difference in discussing minors and adults. Palin's family has been frequently discussed, as has McCain's. You, yourself stoop so far I am sure by now you can't stand upright.

I wrote in another, the press seemed to get it and stopped talking about Chelsea Clinton. I think they still get it, by not talking about another minor. You, however, don't get it.

dl

Gosh, I guess I'm nearly low enough to look you in the eye now, then.

The press? Maybe. John McCain? Nope, he made that filthy joke.

BTW, in case you don't get it -- as usual -- no one is talking about Bristol Palin except when you neos insist on dragging Obama's distant relatives into it. Either family's in or it's out. YOU made the choice.

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No, you are crawling, on your yellow belly. Really, it was the press, but that won't suit your needs now. You keep twisting and putting out one liners you think are clever. I've never stated who I am, neo or any of your other nasty name calling words. Another point you are WRONG on. You are so wrong on so many points and you are the one who doesn't get it. If you could ever present your opinions in a pleasant, positive way, you'd be a better fit in life. Your posts are miserable. no doubt reflecting your miserable life.

btw, you are the one who brought Bristol into this thread, the words are there, but go for it! Deny, deny, deny and the deflect, deflect, deflect. I only want to see fairness in all aspects and you can't do it, don't get it, and won't. So many here are laughing at you.

Deny, then deflect.


dl

Oh, dear, people are LAUGHING at me?

I'm crushed.

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????Huh ????

"An adviser to Republican John McCain's campaign, Mark Salter, said he had no comment on the reports about Obama's relative. "It's a family matter," Salter said.

Rudy Giuliani, campaigning for McCain in Henderson, Nev., said in an interview with The Associated Press that Obama's aunt should be off limits in the campaign. "I don't think families should be hounded," he said. "I don't think Barack Obama has anything to do with a relative being here illegally."


If you see a difference, they certainly don't. So, I guess differences are all in the eye of the beholder's interests and bias, Eh?

Wow, Giuliani showing class. That's impressive.

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Fact chek looked at it before it wasa sealed. the governer has recently sealed it, read the article. yu can read, can't you?

"
LECTION 2008
Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.

The governor's office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.

"It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks," wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor's office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.

Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or "registrant" according to the legal description from the governor's office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant."


again, you said the certifeicate was not sealed, I show you here it WAS and IS SEALED. YOU WERE WRONG. bby the way, that governor is a republican.

No...he's doing what most Republicans do...they steer clear of it for fear of being called racist.

Are you saying republicans don't have class, that they just pretend to so they're not called a racist?

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Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box.

I didn't talk about specific people or policitians discussing adult family matters.

I mentioned the press. It's there, you just didn't choose to quote it.

I do think it is far reaching to dig on anyone's family members, be it Cindy McCain or Obama's grandmother, aunt, whoever. Each side has made awful comments.

My point, lost on some, is that minors should not be fair game. There were awful things said about Chelsea Clinton's appearance and it seems to have set a precedence that it was not right. That is what the point is.

dl

The actual point made by the OP is that the government leaked this info. The press didn't come up with this on their own.

I think your post is pretty dead-on and those who are intellectually honest would have to agree. I can do a search all day long and not find Obama being called "bimbo" "dimwit" etc., by conservatives. Sure, he's been called "Barry" but in all honesty, that's the name he went by previously. In nearly every post Tammy had made regarding Palin, she resorts to name calling and mean spirited comments. I would think someone in the legal field would be able to get their point across with a little more class rather than crass. I certainly do NOT want Obama elected nor do many on this board. However the majority of us can address those issues w/o sophmoric comments about him or his family. JMHO.

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

You are right, the op said a "federal law enforcement official" and then the second paragraph went on with supposition trying to tie it to President Bush and / or Senator McCain.

Perhaps it was leaked, perhaps people talked. No one knows for sure.

However, like so many threads, other posts took it in a different direction and when the business about minors came up, thus came my response.


dl

I don't think it was necessarily leaked. She has a pending case. . .isn't that public record? The evidence points more to the feds trying to prevent it from coming to light. They were asked to tell the higher ups if any deportation went through before the election. . .and in essence were asked to hold off on it until after.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

Interesting observation. Those who will vote for him believe he is amazingly intelligent as well. I guess we all at least agree on something.

Anyone have a new red star sighting? Or, perhaps a new quote with every other word removed that changes the meaning of the sentence? Or, perhaps another birth certificate conspiracy theory? Oh, here's a good one - lets call him a Muslim, a socialist and terrorist paller arounder. Yes, that is much more sophisticated political discourse - no hints of sophmoric [sic] musings there.

Lets not forget the messiah, & the chosen one.

I'm looking forward to another lively Anti-Christ debate

Wow, I'm flabbergasted.

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Yes, that's why I understand what's going on, unlike your Mr. Corsi, a proven liar.

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Work done by the British press who doesn't take their marching orders from Obama.
I still think Hillary helped them out.
How The Times followed a trail to find Barack Obama’s aunt - Times Online

LOl! Yeah, that evil foreign press don't you know they're part of the right-wing conspiracy!

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm

Last time I checked Oprah and Farrakahn weren't Republicans.

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"No one believes more firmly than Comrade Napoleon that all animals are equal. He would be only too happy to let you make your decisions for yourselves. But sometimes you might make the wrong decisions, comrades, and then where should we be?"
- George Orwell Animal Farm