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Old 11-04-2008, 12:23 PM
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:10 PM
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I can't even stomach Joy anymore, she's out of control, it's hard to watch someone who is that miserable. Didn't see it, and I suppose that's a good thing.
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I on the hand refused to watch it because I cannot personally stand to hear another word come out of ELizabeth Hasselbacks mouth.. GO Joy and Whoopie speak the truth...... Obama and Biden all the way.... Catherine
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:20 PM
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Joy was being some what control. When they went to break Joy was walking off the stage. When they came back on, no more political discussion. I look on youtube and dont see it on there yet.
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Ok thanks I am sure I will find it somewhere, however i truly did not watch it, because while I truly love the show, all the talking on both sides have gotten so way out of hand. I think what makes it so hard is that Elizabeth is the only Republican on the show and so they are always againist her. Howver some personal points I agree with Joy and I do not agree with Elizabeth, however I must Admit Elizabeth is one tough cookie. I would also agree I like the show much better with Whoppie when we had Rosie O Donell things just got way to nasty and with Whoppie she truly tries and tries to keep it on a normal level and she does try to listen to both sides, she is much better for the job. I truly used to love Rosie however, I personally feel, she held back so much personal stuff about her life and when she was given the chance to let it all out, it just got nasty and I think alot of people were turned away from her.I know that this election has made alot of us seem like we are not nice people. but have to admit this has to be one of the hardest elections ever. Also with this election it truly comes down to black and white no pun intended, however there is no color in between, your either for Obama or McCain no inbetween. So for JOy and ELizabeth is the same thing, only they are on national t.v for everyone to see.... Catherine
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I was never a fan, but haven't watched at all since they had the 'earth is flat and nothing predates Jesus' woman on...now *she* is an idiot.

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Old 11-04-2008, 01:51 PM
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Can't stand Joy, she's very disrespectful. Love Elizabeth! What a sweetheart.
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Omg ELizabeth a sweetheart no way more like a person who is so into herself and so self absorbed by her herself, now for me from one Native New Yorker and from Brooklyn New York as well, Joy says and speaks the truth. I love love Joy , Elizabeth better watch herself.......she is sooooooooooo far from a sweetheart.... Catherine
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:11 PM
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Omg ELizabeth a sweetheart no way more like a person who is so into herself and so self absorbed by her herself, now for me from one Native New Yorker and from Brooklyn New York as well, Joy says and speaks the truth. I love love Joy , Elizabeth better watch herself.......she is sooooooooooo far from a sweetheart.... Catherine

Of course, that's just YOUR opinion. And what do you mean "Elizabeth better watch herself?"

I can't stand Joy. I think Whoopie tries to be fair, even though we know she's for Obama, of course, as is everyone except for Elizabeth. Elizabeth is one conservative at a table with liberals. She has to stand up for what she believes, and I can't blame her for taking the stand that she does.
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:17 PM
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I never watch The View. Is it at least entertaining in a Jerry Springer kinda way?
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:43 PM
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I also can not stand Elizabeth. She is always right and will not even bend a little bit to see someone elses side. We all have things to learn from others, but not her. Whoopie tries to tells her things and she just digs her head in the sand.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:19 PM
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I never watch The View. Is it at least entertaining in a Jerry Springer kinda way?
Kinda, sans the chair throwing. But, you never know what will happen tomorrow.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:23 PM
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Kinda, sans the chair throwing. But, you never know what will happen tomorrow.
LOL! Cool. I might have to dig it up on Youtube.
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Joy is a nut. I refuse to watch the show anymore. Elizabeth must make loads of money b/c I couldn't sit and listen to the stupid stuff that comes out of Joy's mouth. She seems so uneducated.
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LOL! Cool. I might have to dig it up on Youtube.
If you dig a cantankerous acting old New York Comic and vacant doe-eyed starving girl from Survivor types.... Then you'll love it.
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Joy ruins it for me. I really think that they could have a decent political debate if Joy wasn't being such a nasty witch all the time. I LOVED the episode with Bill O'Reilly. He didn't put up with her crap.
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:35 PM
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If you dig a cantankerous acting old New York Comic and vacant doe-eyed starving girl from Survivor types.... Then you'll love it.
LOL! Maybe I'll skip it then.
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I watched it, and I was really offended by Elizabeth's behavior. In my opinion that woman is out of control. I understand she is the only republican on the panel, and she is entitled to her "view." However, she literally rants and raves, and she is typical of the Republican media - she constantly bad mouths Obama. I would appreciate her viewpoint much more if she could calmly talk about the positives of a possible McCain administration instead of just hearing her screaming the same old things about Obama that she has been talking about for months.

Her performance today would have been her last if I were Barbara Walters.
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great post and my thoughts as well .If I was Barbara Walters today would be ELizabeths last day and that is what I mean;t about that she Elizabeth better watch her mouth...... CAtherine
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:53 PM
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great post and my thoughts as well .If I was Barbara Walters today would be ELizabeths last day and that is what I mean;t about that she Elizabeth better watch her mouth...... CAtherine
So much for free speech. Guess if you're not a liberal, you can't be on The View. Hmmm... wonder why they call it "The View" if there's only one view they're supporting??? Maybe they should change the name of the show to "The Liberal View". When Barbara Walters started The View she said she wanted four women from different stages of life, different backgrounds and different points of view. Now, according to the liberals, there's only one view that's supposed to be allowed on there -- the liberal view.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:38 PM
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Here come those darn liberals again - ME. Anyway, of course there is free speech on this show. Barbara Walters has cautioned Elizabeth many times before about being overly zealous on her views. She just keeps ranting and nobody can get a word in edgewise. Barbara has said to just tone it down a bit. Barbara was actually trying to help Elizabeth get her point across without appearing to be a ranting lunatic.
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Old 11-04-2008, 05:46 PM
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Here come those darn liberals again - ME. Anyway, of course there is free speech on this show. Barbara Walters has cautioned Elizabeth many times before about being overly zealous on her views. She just keeps ranting and nobody can get a word in edgewise. Barbara has said to just tone it down a bit. Barbara was actually trying to help Elizabeth get her point across without appearing to be a ranting lunatic.
LOL. I agree. Sometimes Elizabeth gets on a tear and no one can get a word in edgewise and then she looks like a shrew or a nutcase yelling to get her point across. The old adage, you can get more flies with honey than with vineagar, especially with loud vineagar, is true here. She would be wise to listen to Barbara.
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Here come those darn liberals again - ME. Anyway, of course there is free speech on this show. Barbara Walters has cautioned Elizabeth many times before about being overly zealous on her views. She just keeps ranting and nobody can get a word in edgewise. Barbara has said to just tone it down a bit. Barbara was actually trying to help Elizabeth get her point across without appearing to be a ranting lunatic.
Barbara wasn't on there today. Of course, Barbara wants Elizabeth to 'tone it down a bit' because Elizabeth is expressing views that Barbara doesn't like. Seems like Barb should be telling Joy to tone it down a bit. Joy is very condescending and demeaning. Just because Joy is a comedian, she seems to think the rules don't apply to her.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:26 PM
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Barbara wasn't on there today. Of course, Barbara wants Elizabeth to 'tone it down a bit' because Elizabeth is expressing views that Barbara doesn't like. Seems like Barb should be telling Joy to tone it down a bit. Joy is very condescending and demeaning. Just because Joy is a comedian, she seems to think the rules don't apply to her.

Here we go again....

I never said Barbara was on the show TODAY. I was talking about past history with Elizabeth. Like I said, Barbara was trying to help Elizabeth express herself without looking like a jackass. She can still get her point across without swinging her arms and yelling all the time.

I hadn't said anything about Joy because it was not part of the discussion. We were talking about Elizabeth so I chose to keep with that topic.
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:28 PM
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Here we go again....

I never said Barbara was on the show TODAY. I was talking about past history with Elizabeth. Like I said, Barbara was trying to help Elizabeth express herself without looking like a jackass. She can still get her point across without swinging her arms and yelling all the time.

I hadn't said anything about Joy because it was not part of the discussion. We were talking about Elizabeth so I chose to keep with that topic.
(SIGH) Whatever......
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Old 11-04-2008, 06:32 PM
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Here come those darn liberals again - ME. Anyway, of course there is free speech on this show. Barbara Walters has cautioned Elizabeth many times before about being overly zealous on her views. She just keeps ranting and nobody can get a word in edgewise. Barbara has said to just tone it down a bit. Barbara was actually trying to help Elizabeth get her point across without appearing to be a ranting lunatic.
Didn't Rosie (who by my best estimation is pretty liberal) do the same thing? And didn't she end of leaving the show?

I agree there is a time and a place for ranting and raving--it would seem to me that on TV would not be the best place.

Love or Hate Barbara Walters, she is a very respected news woman in the news community, and one would do well to heed her words of advice or warning
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Didn't Rosie (who by my best estimation is pretty liberal) do the same thing? And didn't she end of leaving the show?

I agree there is a time and a place for ranting and raving--it would seem to me that on TV would not be the best place.

Love or Hate Barbara Walters, she is a very respected news woman in the news community, and one would do well to heed her words of advice or warning
Does Barbara ever correct Joy? Because Joy's a LOT worse than Elisabeth, and she's evil about it. It's like Rosie was finally gone, and now Joy has to be liberal bully. I think Elisabeth deserves credit for being outspoken even in the face of all that opposition.
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Elisabeth would do miles better if she could come up with some of her own reasons for backing McCain, instead of constantly spouting the Rush Limbaugh talking points.

Elisabeth's done mighty well for herself for a gal that made her name by losing on a reality show.
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I really never watch the show, but the times I have Joy (not the name that fits her) is always so snide and rude!!! I cannot stand her....I do like Whoopi and Elizabeth tho....dont know much about Sherri the new girl...not even sure thats her name!!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOL
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To those of a liberal bend Elizabeth can come off as loud and obnoxious and shrewish. Those with a conservative bent think the exact same of Joy. It is all a matter of perspective.
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I hope they don't get rid of Elizabeth. They might replace her with someone who makes sense and that wouldn't be any fun. Boy she gets an idea in her head and there is no dislodging it. Ever. I'm guessing that her mega-stubbornness is probably what got her as far as she got on Survivor.

I haven't seen today's show yet, (I have it recorded, because I didn't have time this morning and they have been building up to a real explosion), but if Elizabeth stays on, I'm suspecting that the fights won't stop. She will still be complaining about some, (in her mind), unanswered question from ten months ago and everyone else will be trying to talk about something else. The only thing that will shut her up is if McCain wins. So I see more fun to come.
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NOpe even if McCain wins nothing will shut up Elizabeth, her loud mouth keeeeeeeeps going like the energizer bunny.. She is on borrowed time as I stated before, Babara Walters is a true professional and she has warned Ms. Hasselback about all this before. Catherine
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Elisabeth Hasselbeck Screeches About Jeremiah Wright On Election Day (VIDEO)
There's a clip for those who have never seen it. I thought that Sherri made some awfully good and valid points.
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Thank you kvmj. I viewed the you tube video and I loved what Sherri said about the African American Man who was denied a place on the bus after serving in the war..Go Sherri GO Joy keep giving it to the big mouth Ms. Hasselback..... Catherine
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Sherri was trying to explain the anger in Wright's sermons. I don't think that Elizabeth quite "got it."
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Sherri was trying to explain the anger in Wright's sermons. I don't think that Elizabeth quite "got it."
There is nothing to "get" with her. Someone should have put her torch out a long time ago.....oh, wait....wrong show.
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I predict today's episode of The View will be a ratings record, as people all across the nation tune in to watch bitsy's head explode. Then Thursday, and every day thereafter, the ratings sink like a stone... until the only one left watching is Tim.
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Joy ruins it for me. I really think that they could have a decent political debate if Joy wasn't being such a nasty witch all the time. I LOVED the episode with Bill O'Reilly. He didn't put up with her crap.

Yeah, I LOVED that episode!!! Joy is a loud-mouthed bitch, plain and simple

I am sick to death of Elizabeth being ganged up on on every single show

I feel sorry for Elizabeth today -- I can't even imagine the gloating that will be going on
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Yeah, I LOVED that episode!!! Joy is a loud-mouthed bitch, plain and simple

I am sick to death of Elizabeth being ganged up on on every single show

I feel sorry for Elizabeth today -- I can't even imagine the gloating that will be going on

Which of course would not happen had the tables been turned and Elizabeths' candidate had won, right?
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JOy. Whoppi and Sherri and even Barbara Walters have always spoken the truth about the whole Bush Administration and that why ELisabeth Hasselback acts and speaks the way she does. Its one thing to have a view as in the show the view, but its another to where it becomes to the point of literally trying to stick your views down someone else's throat and that is why she Elisabeth does every day since this whole election started. Like I said before I am glad they have Whoppi she truly tries to be fair and tries to keep things from getting out of hand.... However it is Ms. Walters show... I miss Lisa Ling she was excellent... Catherine
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Which of course would not happen had the tables been turned and Elizabeths' candidate had won, right?

Gimme a break

Are you not willing to admit that 4 against 1 (day after day, week after week and month after month!!!!) is not fair -- in anybody's book????
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Honestly in life is life always fair no it's not. I do however believe this was a extremely hard and emotional election for all concerned, that is why I have said I believe its good Whoopi is there and not Rosie O"Donell, because if she was I personally feel, someone would have gotten hurt. I have to admit the fighting has become way out of hand and in my view, the others ladies were just so tired of the last 8 years and had enough. I also think ELisabeth kept briniging up the race card which finally got to Sherri and Whoppi and African Americans, you cannot blame them. LIsten the bottom line is ELisabeth is a grown women and she felt she could not handle it, I think she would have quit by now. I just personally think she does not know when to quit and step back , take a breathe and listen to what the others having been trying to say for the last 18 months... Catherine
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Are you not willing to admit that 4 against 1 (day after day, week after week and month after month!!!!) is not fair -- in anybody's book????
No, I won't give you a break. Elizabeth is strident in her mannerisms, and as seen by this thread very vocal to the point of sometimes being rude. My point is that if the shoe was on the other foot and McCain/Palin had won the election, I am sure she would not be the quiet, polite and gracious winner. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. You stated that you felt sorry for her what with all the gloating today and I pointed out that she would be gloating as well if she was on the winning side. I don't feel sorry for her. If she can dish it out, she should be able to take it as well.
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Are you not willing to admit that 4 against 1 (day after day, week after week and month after month!!!!) is not fair -- in anybody's book????
It's not totally 4 against 1 day after day. When Barbara is there, she generally remains very neutral and in fact sometimes tries to defend her, Sherry only made up her mind about who to vote for in the last couple of weeks, Whoops tries to talk quietly and levelly to her with no success, but never really gets in her face and that leaves Joy.

Joy probably is as tired of the stubbornness in returning to the same complaint day after day as many of the rest of us are. Elizabeth is an absolute parrot of all the right-wing talking points and staunchly refuses to acknowledge that some of them might just be a tad wrong. There is never an original thought or idea from her. And once she latches onto a subject there is no changing her mind, no matter what facts are presented, what reasons are given. I think the wrong Republican was given the title of "pit bull".

On top of that Joy is getting old and we old people tend to get tired of hearing the same, previously discussed, arguments day after day.

Thinking back on Sherry, I suspect part of her decision to vote for Obama was when Elizabeth talked about how she, herself, understood the Black experience because she read a book about it or something like that.
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Thinking back on Sherry, I suspect part of her decision to vote for Obama was when Elizabeth talked about how she, herself, understood the Black experience because she read a book about it or something like that.
Well, that's an entirely uneducated and illogical reason to decide who to vote for president!
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Well, that's an entirely uneducated and illogical reason to decide who to vote for president!
I think there was a little more to it than that....
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Even to base it on part is ridiculous.
I don't believe for a second that this had anything to do with her decision at all. I would give the girl more credit than that.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:32 PM
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I thought it was a good show today, Nov. 5th, and Elizabeth was very gracious and sincere, I think. To try and speculate on how "the other shoe" would have acted is kind of silly, I think. I read a line sometime ago that said "it's easy to be gracious when you're the winner". How would Joy have been had McCain won??? An even ruder, louder, foul mouthed person than she normally is, I'm willing to bet.

I think comments like the shoe comment serve no helpful purpose. We're trying to bring the nation together, not play a game of "my side handled it better than your side". Remember, ONE NATION.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:43 PM
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I watched it and thought ELizabeth acted very nice which was nice to see. I also agree if McCain had won I do not think ELizabeth would have been so quiet and I also agree Joy would have been very vocal. Again I agree with both ladies got out of hand at times, however I will still agree and understand Joy's feelings because I was so tired of Bush, also I will say I agree that once Elizabeth got onto a sujbect, she would not let go..But to me I was more taken back by how Sherri spoke and her tears which were real and truly heartfelt by myself. Finally I also love that Barbara Walters mentioned the late Dr, Martin Luther King and put up for the viewers to see his famous speech''I have a dream""". that today while I was only 5 and do not remember it at all, however every single time I watch it ... It brings so much emotion out....Catherine
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:50 PM
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Just throwing this out there --- I was watching The View this morning and noticed that Sherri said that this was the first time she had ever voted. Also Whoopie said it was the first time her daughter and granddaughter had ever voted.
How can Sherri or anyone who had the opportunity to vote but didn't exercise that right in previous elections complain about past administrations? I wonder how many other Americans have never voted until this election.
 

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