Change.gov

Some things of interest listed on the section "Agenda"

this shoudl be very helpful to Americnas seeking a job:

"Where we can bring in more foreign-born workers with the skills our economy needs, we should”

from that web site

At least post the entire quote. “The time to fix our broken immigration system is now… We need stronger enforcement on the border and at the workplace… But for reform to work, we also must respond to what pulls people to America… Where we can reunite families, we should. Where we can bring in more foreign-born workers with the skills our economy needs, we should”.

Maureen

wether the full quote is posted or not, they still want to bring in foreiners to do our jobs.

But to post the entire quote would be honest....and why be honest when you can delete what you don't like or doesn't work with your rant? Nah, better to be deceitful and try to get the hate ball rolling again....

Didn't take long for these neocons to bite the ugly bullet did it? So much for respecting the President Elect and giving the team a chance to prove themselves. So much easier to lie and deceive than to be honest.

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Omg, Barack Obama and Joe Biden are not even in office yet. It would be nice to at least give these men a chance to put into effect the promises and hopes they have to make this great country we call America home...At least wait till they come into office before you make these decisions or thoughts or predictions of what will happen... Again we had 8 years of Bush and gave hime a chance, so why not offer the same respect to the newly elected candidates, it would not hurt anyone to at least give them a try...peace,,,,, Catherine

This is referring to the H-1B visa issue. Obama's position on H-1B visas is considered more pro-business and centerist than many in the Democratic party. For the record, McCain was instrumental in expanding the H-1B visa program, and he explicitly said that he would have made this program easier and lifted the caps on applicants per business needs.

Read the whole page and plan it says :

"we must fix the dysfunctional immigration bureaucracy and increase the number of legal immigrants to keep families together and meet the demand for jobs that employers cannot fill."

They are not talking about taking jobs from us but fulfilling a need we ourselves cannot meet.

They also talk about the raids and inneffectiveness of them

its all right here Immigration | Change.gov

I don't agree on one point and I wont start a debate on it because I have beaten a dead horse on illegal immigration more than once here and all over the net and in public especially my neighborhood.

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Didn't take long for you to go back to your name calling ways did it?

This is why there will never be unity...


The full quote did almost nothing to change the end result of what was posted.

Even more importantly was this part of the quote..

You Kolu talk about unity, are you kidding me or what where is your unity,,, When Ohio was called I turned off the radio, he will never ever be my president, he is a thug,,,, that is unity????? Catherine

And, exactly what name was that? You are the person who stated that P.E. Obama is NOT your President and never will be (guess that means you are moving out of the country for the next 8 to 12 years.) If that is not UGLY HATE speech, what is it.

Again, what names were called in here?

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An interesting article

Obama Requires Community Service and Removes his Agenda from Website After Scrutiny. | Political Lore .com

Honestly, I haven't read the agenda. But the quote about the foreigners coming in to fill positions got me thinking. Why do we need foreigners to come in and fill certain jobs? Why we can't we train our own citizens to do those jobs? What jobs are they referring to anyway?

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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave." - Sarah Palin

Loved some of the comments posted in the link:

Obama’s requirement for community service from Jr. High School through High School will be a difficult thing to accomplish. Children have after school sports, dance, theater and other obligations that enhance their life learning. Although, it is only one hour a week, it should be considered that these obligations should be close to home; maybe cleaning up their own schools (conflict with janitorial unions)or planting and weeding the school’s landscape. Travel to do service will require parental involvement and most likely won’t work out with the people holding down two or more jobs in order to pay the Obama taxes.

And:
There is no way in the world I would permit my children to participate in this socialist’s plan to enslave the country or to form an “Obama Youth Brigade” that bears a shocking similarity to the Hitler Youth that I thought we had consigned to the trash bin of history.

1) If you are holding down 2 or more jobs it is because you need the income to survive - certainly not to pay your higher taxes if you are making over $250,000 a year.

2) We certainly do not want to take paying jobs away from anyone. We do not have any idea what types of community service this will involve. How about tutoring services, babysitting services at the school, or many other types of community service that will not take away from the working staff.

3) Oh we certainly do not want to have the children actually give up an hour of their time from dance or theater to help pay it forward. This would teach them the value of nothing, right?


So I guess there are some folks out there that still want something for nothing - not saying that this pertains to you specifically but that is what I am reading on this board. Participating in a few hours per month to be able to get a discount on college tuition sure sounds like socialism to me....NOT.

In my experience, there are many illegals here who have had no problem getting the entire family here ( or many of them ).

That entire bit irritates me. Let's take care of OURSELVES first ! Reform? How about simply enforcing the laws in place, hence stemming the flow and booting some out? The only part I could stomach was " we need stronger enforcment on the border and a tthe workplace."

To me, what is presented is completely opposite. Stonger enforcment, and yet bring in more ??????

dl

Shocked! I'm shocked! Ok, is he a Marxist, Socialist or a Nazi? Does it depend on the day of the week or is it determined by Rush or some of the other talking heads, or perhaps the cycles of the moon? Make up your mind people. I need to know which heinous group he is a member of.

BTW. Where are you moving to avoid this enslavement? You better hurry, because I heard that there are huge shipments of Muslim prayer rugs that are heading for our shores. It won't be long now. If you see workmen on the steeples of your churches, it may be too late. They may be replacing those steeples with minarets.

The end is near. The end is near. The end is near. Run!

I call Godwin's Law!

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Oh no - not Godwin's Law.

I really wanted kathytheshopper to defend what she said.

Don't hold your breath, it will never happen. Changing the subject, making a joke, testing - yes, but defending what she said...never happen.

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Gee, I'm sorry, how did I miss the love & joy that was coming from this statement?

No...but you can count on Kolu the Quackjob to be right there with another insightful comment....

Ah, another gift that keeps on giving.

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I can understand your point, but realize that it is also important to be educated on what their agenda/platform is, so when these ideas are in the works of being brought to fruition, you are armed with the knowledge to defend your stand against it, before it is pushed through quickly because most are not aware of what it is about.

I think this is more about being proactive and sharing informaiton for the sake of power by knowledge, then it is to tear them down.

At least I do not see it that way.

Also, remember, that opening up with questions, or posting concerns, opens up the topic for discussion. Just like what dannyboy showed by coming back with an intelligent, thought provoking post that gives another perspective.

In the process, those that are questioning, may end up coming to the decision it isn't such a bad thing.. which is what you should want.

Thank goodness for this section of MC forums. I have learned so much.

And you can always count on kelliiiii for another bitchy comment.

Only when you are around.

How does it feel to be the real "chosen one?"

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Sorry Kolu... but damn Kelliiiii..that was funny! haha!!

That was pretty funny.

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Ok, when I click on the above link, it says the page is not available right now or something. When I click on the "agenda" link at the top of the web sight, I get this:



President-Elect Obama and Vice President-Elect Biden have developed innovative approaches to challenge the status quo in Washington and to bring about the kind of change America needs.

The Obama Administration has a comprehensive and detailed agenda to carry out its policies. The principal priorities of the Obama Administration include: a plan to revive the economy, to fix our health care, education, and social security systems, to define a clear path to energy independence, to end the war in Iraq responsibly and finish our mission in Afghanistan, and to work with our allies to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon, among many other domestic and foreign policy objectives.

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People, people, people, can you read???? These are not my quotes. They are from the link another poster provided and I just copied them and put them on here. Don't hate the messenger........

Where did the comments come from or who posted? Thanks.

Perhaps you are already aware, but if not, research H-1B visas. Corporate welfare IMHO ....

this might help - (I have no idea if this site is biased in either direction ...but it does discuss computers and engineering) http://www.cis.org/H1bVisaNumbers

I clicked on the link in post #12 and read the comments under the article.

A lot of the high schools around here require the seniors to complete X amount of community services in order to graduate. There are a lot of ways someone can earn their hours. Basically anything to do with a church, Habitat For Humanity, soup kitchens, old folks homes, Operation Christmas Child, Red Cross, and the list can go on and on. ALL of these places work on a volunteer basis, without the volunteers they would fall apart. What is so wrong with making your child step out of their bubble to see there are others in this world? It will probably help them.

My step BIL worked with Habitat for Humanity to get his hours to graduate, he kept going back- every Sat. morning- after he completed his hours until the house was finished. Then he started working on another house, he did this until he had to leave for boot camp. How was that a bad thing for him?

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Damn, going to have to add mind reading to my to-do list.

Okay does KTS's side lose the argument because she brought up Nazi's or does our side lose because you invoked Godwin? I'm not real clear on the rules for this.

First to raise Hitler loses.

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No, just reading. Go back and read it again......

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From the dead or just in general??

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I have. Several times. Nowhere does she say that what she is posting is copied from a link. A link that she doesn't bother to post. I thought those were her comments on the link she didn't post.

If we are talking about the same post...the one I"m referring to is the one Kathy herself quotes in post #29. she says

"Loved some of the comments posted in the link;" then there is a paragraph, then Kathy writes...

"And:"

then another short paragraph. It really is quite clear she is quoting. Doesn't take a mind reader, like I said. Just a reader.

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I didn't have any problem understanding what she meant. If you READ the link that was provided in Post #12, which was posted BEFORE Kathy posted, those quotes are right there in the link. Kathy even wrote "Loved some of the comments posted in the link:" and then she posted the comments.

That's not too hard, is it?

Could it be that what she stated is open for interpretation? Usually if I'm quoting someone, I'll use quotation marks so there is no confusion.

And as we have seen from past it is difficult to ascertain in what tone something is being typed, KWIM?

I think that while you may understood what she meant, others may have interpreted her post differently because it was a bit vague or open ended.

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I guess it's too hard for some people! Someone had a link. I view the link. I make a comment concerning some of the "comments posted in the link". I thought it was pretty clear that these were from the link. I think some peope just want to make a big deal out of nothing. Oh well.