Rahm Emanuel

I don't take much issue with him being from Israel.

Now, if he was Palisitinian, as I was first told. I'd be flippin' my lid.




Thoughts?


All I want to know is, when is Abu joining this happy bunch?

Rahm is not Israeli. He was born in Chicago.

He's known for being blunt. He;ll be effective.

Do you have a link?

Rahm was an Israeli citizen until he was 18 years old, when for obvious reasons he hid his Israeli passport in his underwear drawer. In 1991, however, he pulled his Israeli passport out and went and reportedly joined the Israeli Army to defend Zion from Saddam's Scuds



ETA: Ok, I see. I had to go do a search for his biography. Thanks for pointing that out.

I've never met an Israeli that wasn't.
My husband works for an Israeli owned company. He has traveled to Israel.
They are stingy, tight and took away many benefits when they took over.
But yet, they drive chauffeur driven vehicles with a nanny on board for each child. It's just amazing.
I was talking with the director one day, and you can always judge a man by his shoes (my motto). He was dressed in a T Shirt and Jeans. But when I looked at his shoes, they were the most exquisite Italian Leather loafers I had ever laid my eyes upon. EASILY in the $600 range.

and then I thought about how my dh pay had been cut 40%, and I was having to go to work and not be a stay at home mom anymore.


Antisemitism? I have been accused. But I had just reason to be upset with what I saw happening at the time. We went from being run by a "good old Boy' American family, to being internationally owned by an Israeli company. The good days were gone, and so was the lifestyle we were accustomed to. It was a hard pill to swallow.

And in the coming years, ALL OF US will have a big pill to swallow as our lifestyles go through a dramatic change even further. You haven't lost anything yet, my friends. Just wait...

We will realize how foolish our spending has been, and what we are now losing because of it when we are taxed to the point that we can't see straight.

Anyway, just my take.

Here's a link to his Wikipedia page. . .it has changed quite a bit from a few days ago, but you'll get the drift.

Rahm Emanuel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ETA: I'm not sure how I feel about him yet. He sent a dead fish to somebody???

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Here is his official bio, which clearly states he was born in Chicago: EMANUEL, Rahm - Biographical Information

Here is a longer piece on him which focuses on his faith and ties with Israel. Rahm Emanuel, Obama?s pick for Chief of Staff, is tough, direct and wedded to his roots | U.S. | Jewish Journal

Yeah, here's a couple

EMANUEL, Rahm - Biographical Information

Project Vote Smart - Representative Rahm Emanuel - Biography



EMANUEL, Rahm, a Representative from Illinois; born in Chicago, Cook County, Ill., on November 29, 1959; B.A., Sarah Lawrence College, Bronxville, N.Y., 1981; M.A., Northwestern University, Evanston, Ill., 1985; advisor, the White House Office, 1993-1999; bank executive; elected as a Democrat to the One Hundred Eighth Congress and to the two succeeding Congresses (January 3, 2003-present); chair, House Democratic Caucus (One Hundred Tenth Congress).

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Hambirg, they are an extremely rigid culture.

However, they are very similar to us. It is amazing how similar they are. Their Air Force is one of the best in the World, next to ours (of course we gave them the intelligence for that).

We hosted one of the VP's from Israel in our home when he came over on visit. He was cordial and pleasant.

He was so amazed at how much land we have here. He said "Americans are so spoiled. You do not know how much you have here"

He could not believe my dh's truck and when we picked him up at the airport..he looked at it and said "Is ladder available to ride in this?"

Halfway home, he said, How much in gas does this take?

haha...

Anti-semite was what came to mind when I read your post too. I understand your personal experience with this company and it's owners, but you saying they are all stingy and tight...etc....etc.... Geez, it's like saying all black people are lazy and steal, or that all Muslims are terrorists or all Polish people are stupid......REALLY???

C'mon.....haven't we learned enough over the years not to stereotype people like you are doing??

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Aside from the ugly overtones, I'm not clear what Israeli culture has to do with Rahm Emanuel being a "friend or foe."

Frankly, this thread feels a lot to me like the "Obama is a Muslim" stuff.

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I was reading some things in the New York Times yesterday about him. I believe he is 49, close to 50??? From Chicago, and if I remember correctly, from the Clinton "gang". The articles that I read, not just on this guy, said that Obama is choosing a lot of people from the Clinton circle/gang/era, not sure how to phrase it.

He is known for getting things done, and yes, once sent someone a dead fish, to a pollster.
"The best Rahm Emanuel story is not the one about the decomposing two-and-a-half-foot fish he sent to a pollster who displeased him"

Here are some links from the NYTimes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/06/us...06emanuel.html

Rahm Emanuel News - The New York Times

The Brothers Emanuel - New York Times

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Definitely a foe.

Another book I need to find to read (Rahm Emanuel co-author The Plan)

http://www.tuccille.com/blog/2008/11...-your-ass.html
(sorry if the title link offends anyone.)

"Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, President-Elect Obama's choice for chief of staff in his incoming administration, is co-author of a book, The Plan, that calls for, among other things, compulsory service for all Americans ages 18 to 25. The following excerpt is from pages 61-62 of the 2006 book:

It's time for a real Patriot Act that brings out the patriot in all of us. We propose universal civilian service for every young American. Under this plan, All Americans between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five will be asked to serve their country by going through three months of basic training, civil defense preparation and community service. ...

Here's how it would work. Young people will know that between the ages of eighteen and twenty-five, the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service. They'll be asked to report for three months of basic civil defense training in their state or community, where they will learn what to do in the event of biochemical, nuclear or conventional attack; how to assist others in an evacuation; how to respond when a levee breaks or we're hit by a natural disaster. These young people will be available to address their communities' most pressing needs.

Emanuel and co-author Bruce Reed insist "this is not a draft," but go on to write of young men and women, "the nation will enlist them for three months of civilian service." They also warn, "[s]ome Republicans will squeal about individual freedom," ruling out any likelihood that they would let people opt out of universal citizen service.

As chief of staff, Emanuel will not be in a position to directly introduce public policy, but his enthusiasm for compulsory service, combined with Barack Obama's own plan to require high school students to perform 50 hours of government-approved service, suggest an unfortunate direction for the new administration."

I am absolutely GIDDY over his appointment.

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It's compulsory civilian service - it doesn't equal military draft. Reading the description provided in your quote, sounds like a plan I would not object to my children being part of.

How is this a bad thing? (Seriously - this is not meant to be snarky).

It can be argued that it's unconstitutional actually. Amendment XIII prohibits any type of involuntary servitude:

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitut...dmentxiii.html

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Amendment XIII was ratified in 1865. How was the military draft during the Vietnam war affected by this amendment? I'm trying to understand how it would come into play in the future. (I tried google, but I can't sift through enough of it to get a clear answer with the time & patience I have right now.....)

People need to realize that this is the same type of "service" plan that Israel has in place.

I find lots wrong with being "required" to perform service for your country . I do believe that volunteerism should be highly encouraged BUT not forced on anyone by requiring it.

Think about all the problems that might occur with this plan... who would take care of the children that people between the ages of 18-25 might have. Some people are single parents at that time going back to college, holding down a job, raising their kids.

ETA: I am talking about what Rahm Emanuel mentioned in his book The Plan.

lol - on change.gov "The Obama National Service Plan" page is blank.

I guess I'll just have to wait & see. It still doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

I have a 21 yo & a 19yo, and I have no problem with compulsory civilian service. (Not sure how they'd feel - I expect the 19yo would b*tch & moan, but do it, 21 yo would more than likely welcome the opportunity to be part of something positive for our country) But, that's just me......

It's still very debatable.

This is what I found regarding conscription (draft):

Some groups, such as libertarians, say that the draft constitutes slavery, since it is mandatory work[38]. Under the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, slavery or other involuntary servitude is not allowed unless it is part of punishment for a crime. They therefore see the draft as unconstitutional (at least in the U.S.) and immoral. In 1918, the Supreme Court ruled that the World War I draft did not violate the United States Constitution. Arver v. United States, 245 U.S. 366 (1918)). The Court detailed its conclusion that the limited powers of the federal government included conscription. Its only statement on the Thirteenth Amendment issue reads thus:

Finally, as we are unable to conceive upon what theory the exaction by government from the citizen of the performance of his supreme and noble duty of contributing to the defense of the rights and honor of the nation as the result of a war declared by the great representative body of the people can be said to be the imposition of involuntary servitude in violation of the prohibitions of the Thirteenth Amendment, we are constrained to the conclusion that the contention to that effect is refuted by its mere statement.


This is what I found in Arver v. United States:

Further it is said, the right to provide is not denied by calling for volunteer enlistments, but it does not and [245 U.S. 366, 378] cannot include the power to exact enforced military duty by the citizen. This however but challenges the existence of all power, for a governmental power which has no sanction to it and which therefore can only be exercised provided the citizen consents to its exertion is in no substantial sense a power. It is argued, however, that although this is abstractly true, it is not concretely so because as compelled military service is repugnant to a free government and in conflict with all the great guarantees of the Constitution as to individual liberty, it must be assumed that the authority to raise armies was intended to be limited to the right to call an army into existence counting alone upon the willingness of the citizen to do his duty in time of public need, that is, in time of war. But the premise of this proposition is so devoid of foundation that it leaves not even a shadow of ground upon which to base the conclusion.

So in other words. . .the Constitution gives Congress the right to form armies and if people don't volunteer, then where is the power in government? Makes perfect sense, huh?

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Personally, I'm against any forced "service". If you want people for this then maybe the habitual users of government handouts should be forced to "pay back" some of their handouts by service. That would seem more equitable to me. I would also like to see better pay for our military.

I agree with point one, and I do believe there are some states that do require those on assistance to do some sort of work or payback for it.

Not sure I agree with you on more military pay. Maybe better benefits?

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wow, yeah, I did sound pretty bad. Shame on me!

I agree with this mandatory service plan.

I am not a democrat, but I do agree with it.


The only problem I can see, is the policing of the young adults who do not report, or do not do what they are supposed to do. That could cost lots.

But how is it any different than the requirement of a young man to have to sign up for the selective service at the age of 18, or face prison?

Hmm? How is it ANY different?

Oh, maybe the kids will actually have to do something good for our Country, learn a few things that will serve them the rest of their lives, and they will become a more functioning part of our society AND hopefully MORE patriotic.

I do not see ANYTHING wrong with this plan, and I am excited about it!

MY GOODNESS, they are only asking for three months of service! Not three years! After that, these lazy kids can go back to plopping themselves in front of their video games all they want, and as much as you have allowed them to, to feel that they have some sort of elitist title to their existence.

It is time that everyone joins in to make this Country better. Not just a few doing all the work, but ALL of us. Old, young, and in between.

I do not feel this is a socialist attitude, but I do believe that it has worked for generations for many communities and cultures. We have gotten ourselves in a rut of being a spoiled rotten, selfish and self serving society.

I never would agree to take away freedoms, but there are some things that we all need to do and HAVE to do to better our Country, or we will lose what we have...as we slowly are day after day.

Is there anyone here that can say that we have not had a compromise of patriotism over the last couple of generations?

Hey truble, BTW, I had posted my title before I found out that Rahm was from Israel Descent. I had been told he was from Palistine. I edited my post to refect Israel, but had originally put in Palistine.

BUT I must say, this is a very good example of what this board is for. We share our opinions and what we have heard as "facts", and if the truth becomes known, that is GREAT. That is what we are here for.

Not every post that is made can be correct or factual at it's conception. However, hopefully through the sharing of information, we can all come to a better knowledge than we had in the very beginning.

Then explain to me how this will work please. How much will it cost? Siging up for the Selective Service takes a few minutes. 3 months disrupts peoples lives. When will the 3 months start? The day after high school graduation? Will they have to relocate? What will they be forced to do? What will they do or learn in three months time that would be worth the disruption, cost, logistics, etc... And what to do with people who don't show up? Are you going to force retirees to do this too? Why not make it voluntary with a tax credit or something? All of sudden you want people to be required for some sort of service? Way too many unanswered questions on this topic. Yes, we are all spoiled here in America. I'm not sure forced service is the answer though. How about taking away all the entitlement benefits and make people work for a living? I think that should be the first step in cleaning up America. Change some of the handout programs-that's a big problem here. Nothing wrong with hard work and taking care of yourself. I don't think 3 months forced service is going to instill that.

What job would you give a paraplegic or a quadruple amputee? You oppose abortion. What job does a 16 year old who's 8 months pregnant do? Surely she get up off the delivery table and bag groceries or something.

Hmmm...At first my knee-jerk reaction to compulsory civilian service was shock but after mulling it over for a few moments, it might not be a bad thing. Wouldn't it be benefitial to have our citizens prepared for a natural disaster or terrorist attack? Might even spawn a bit of patriotism.

On the other hand... these things rarely turn out as they are intended and I fear that those 'enlisted' might be forced to do things other than those previously stated or it might end up being longer than the previously agreed upon 'three months'. Kinda like some soldiers that were forced to stay in the military longer than they agreed.

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now see? not everything in the Obama presidency will be disagreeable to you. Quite frankly, all I ask is that you please give it a chance. A year. And then make a decision. He wasn't lying when he said he was going to need even those who didn't vote him.

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